elmanchez PM a couple of days ago, saying he has difficulty come up with the money to pay me, asking for a extension.
Now I made my decision not to pursue that $85 he owes me
I went all these troubles to prove myself that I got scammed and lost $85, because someone didn't believe my story.
And after some conversation with elmanchez's friends, I will accept his story he is just a careless kid who made a terrible mistake that costed me $85
There is no reason to push elmanchez at this stage.
I will write off his debt and close this case.
Topic: scam elmanchez (Read 1358 times)
I've been reluctant to respond to this thread because I'm biased. I like elmanchez, I think he's a good kid.
I am also reluctant but he wants to correct his error elmanchez has created me a free logo for my Youtube channel and has done it in just 2 hours, my perception of him is he is a good person but I could be wrong I hope he gets out of this mess, this is some new ways of scamming people glad I read it and will take note of this.
I like elmanchez, I think he's a good kid.
He made a naive mistake, scammers prey on innocent people.Quote
leading me to believe that @Cexius and @AceBig are one and the same.
The moment @AceBig was pretending to be someone he's not, it was obvious he's up to no good. Unfortunately Telegram seems to be designed to aid scammers. 
I've been reluctant to respond to this thread because I'm biased. I like elmanchez, I think he's a good kid. He and I have had regular communications on Telegram for several months now, and I'd like to think that I've gotten some insight into his personality. I trust he'll do the right thing.
I do have something to add though; I don't believe that @AceBig is elmanchez. Last week, before he deleted his Telegram account, elmanchez told me he had been scammed by Telegram user @Cexius. I checked the username to see if I had any history with it, but nothing came up. However, I did notice his peculiar bio:
I didn't take a screenshot of @Cexius' profile page, and that username doesn't bring up any results on Telegram anymore, so you'll have to take my word for it. Interestingly enough, the bio for @AceBig has the same text, leading me to believe that @Cexius and @AceBig are one and the same.
I do have something to add though; I don't believe that @AceBig is elmanchez. Last week, before he deleted his Telegram account, elmanchez told me he had been scammed by Telegram user @Cexius. I checked the username to see if I had any history with it, but nothing came up. However, I did notice his peculiar bio:
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Piano, Crypto, Piano...
I didn't take a screenshot of @Cexius' profile page, and that username doesn't bring up any results on Telegram anymore, so you'll have to take my word for it. Interestingly enough, the bio for @AceBig has the same text, leading me to believe that @Cexius and @AceBig are one and the same.
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Oh wait, I was surprised to see my name here, I don't have any prior knowledge of any persons involved here (PM or anything). It is not visible in Loyce trust viewer because I don't have any custom trust list.
So kindly remove my name in this conversation, Thanks.
Edit: I don't have any Telegram as well.
Btw @elmanchez don't make this mistake in the future and try to avoid telegram deal. And when you pay the Op post it here then OP should lock this thread.
I stoped using telegram already 3 days.
ok, When I was made this post in this thread I received a pm in my telegram after 5-10 minutes of posting.
The telegram username is: @AceBig which is used here: http://loyce.club/archive/posts/5465/54657189.html by bitcointalk user: AceBig
So if you don't use telegram that means you did not pm me. Then the man who PMed me in telegram will be someone who Trust irfan_pak10 > http://loyce.club/trust/2020-06-20_Sat_05.04h/350580.html
or
Yaunfitda (It is not visible in loyce trust list viewer ) because if you see closely the first screenshot then you can see my green trust score is +4 But when you see my trust by default trust you will see it +3
Oh wait, I was surprised to see my name here, I don't have any prior knowledge of any persons involved here (PM or anything). It is not visible in Loyce trust viewer because I don't have any custom trust list.
So kindly remove my name in this conversation, Thanks.
Edit: I don't have any Telegram as well.
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The telegram username is: @AceBig which is used here: http://loyce.club/archive/posts/5465/54657189.html by bitcointalk user: AceBig
Anyone can say they're elmanchez on Telegram.Yes, the user maybe not the elmanchez but he is someone who is reading this thread actively.
Edit: wow just see the telegram chat history is deleted by the @AceBig, looks something suspicious
The telegram username is: @AceBig which is used here: http://loyce.club/archive/posts/5465/54657189.html by bitcointalk user: AceBig
Anyone can say they're elmanchez on Telegram.I asked @AceBig on Telegram:
Quote from: @LoyceV
Can you PM LoyceV on Bitcointalk from elmanchez saying "hi LoyceV I am elmanchez and my Telegram account is @AceBig"?
Response
Quote from: @AceBig
ok
Needless to say, I didn't receive a PM. AceBig can't proof he's elmanchez. If he claims to be elmanchez, it's safe to assume he's lying.
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I stoped using telegram already 3 days.
ok, When I was made this post in this thread I received a pm in my telegram after 5-10 minutes of posting.
The telegram username is: @AceBig which is used here: http://loyce.club/archive/posts/5465/54657189.html by bitcointalk user: AceBig
So if you don't use telegram that means you did not pm me. Then the man who PMed me in telegram will be someone who Trust irfan_pak10 > http://loyce.club/trust/2020-06-20_Sat_05.04h/350580.html
or
Yaunfitda (It is not visible in loyce trust list viewer ) because if you see closely the first screenshot then you can see my green trust score is +4 But when you see my trust by default trust you will see it +3
I stoped using telegram already 3 days.
Ammout will be paid within 3-4 hours.
Ammout will be paid within 3-4 hours.
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I am not hijacking you idiot but anyways good luck
@lexitark, I do not think orangelemon was hijacking your thread, but he was just sharing an experience in here.
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@elmanchez is a scammer "BE CAREFUL"
check his profile : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2553198
This user's email address was changed recently.
@elmanchez sent me messages on telegram from different IDs to buy my WMZ
Email change does not mean he is a scammer. anybody can change the email address if need. but most of the case email is changed when the account is brought. Again scammer is trying many ways to scam people. Telegram is one of the best ways. So any scammer can knock you in telegram and are you telling about the profile screenshots? it is like a kid's lollipop. If you trust just seeing the profile screenshots then the mistake is yours. check his profile : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2553198
This user's email address was changed recently.
@elmanchez sent me messages on telegram from different IDs to buy my WMZ
BTW I see the profile screenshot that you provided in the op. My question to you all that there is any feature where I can see the DT position in my profile? I did not see it before.
Edit: Got it. It’s a chrome extension.
Edit 2: elmanchez what is your telegram id? / @AceBig this is you telegram id?
I am seeing something wrong again about elmanchez
@elmanchez is a scammer "BE CAREFUL"
check his profile : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2553198
This user's email address was changed recently.
@elmanchez sent me messages on telegram from different IDs to buy my WMZ
https://i.imgur.com/JeyTv3N.jpg (ID Deleted)
https://i.imgur.com/kgHfrKc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/76dt3XM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/trZ0miQ.jpg
check his profile : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2553198
This user's email address was changed recently.
@elmanchez sent me messages on telegram from different IDs to buy my WMZ
https://i.imgur.com/JeyTv3N.jpg (ID Deleted)
https://i.imgur.com/kgHfrKc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/76dt3XM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/trZ0miQ.jpg
build your own topic, don't hijack mine
I am willing to forgive @elmanchez if he pay back my lost
then my matter is closed
I am not hijacking you idiot but anyways good luck
Ready payback from my signed adress, agree with my mistake.
Post adress
Post adress
18mZHD4TB17rHdTbK4BzqK1mGYXM9tLcfS
0.0092btc to my wallet
@elmanchez is a scammer "BE CAREFUL"
check his profile : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2553198
This user's email address was changed recently.
@elmanchez sent me messages on telegram from different IDs to buy my WMZ
https://i.imgur.com/JeyTv3N.jpg (ID Deleted)
https://i.imgur.com/kgHfrKc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/76dt3XM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/trZ0miQ.jpg
check his profile : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2553198
This user's email address was changed recently.
@elmanchez sent me messages on telegram from different IDs to buy my WMZ
https://i.imgur.com/JeyTv3N.jpg (ID Deleted)
https://i.imgur.com/kgHfrKc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/76dt3XM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/trZ0miQ.jpg
build your own topic, don't hijack mine
I am willing to forgive @elmanchez if he pay back my lost
then my matter is closed
Ready payback from my signed adress, agree with my mistake.
Post adress
Post adress
I was already amazed at how the scammer pulled this out. Why would you send someone else BTC address to someone who you want to pay you? elmanchez story is something I may not believe. If the PMs not going to be for public then I'd like it to happen that he would pay the amount back for good faith.
@elmanchez sent me messages on telegram from different IDs to buy my WMZ
The entire conversation would be so much easier to assess if it would be a public topic on Bitcointalk! Now it's screenshots taken from scammer paradise Telegram and screenshots taken from PMs. It makes it very hard to follow, and the screenshots don't prove anything.I helped elmanchez with a small trade with a few weeks back. The details are all public. Posts deleted? See http://loyce.club/archive/details/topic_5252054.html !
Forget about Telegram, use the forum! If anything, it makes collecting evidence easier.
@elmanchez is a scammer "BE CAREFUL"
check his profile : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2553198
This user's email address was changed recently.
@elmanchez sent me messages on telegram from different IDs to buy my WMZ
https://i.imgur.com/JeyTv3N.jpg (ID Deleted)
https://i.imgur.com/kgHfrKc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/76dt3XM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/trZ0miQ.jpg
check his profile : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2553198
This user's email address was changed recently.
@elmanchez sent me messages on telegram from different IDs to buy my WMZ
https://i.imgur.com/JeyTv3N.jpg (ID Deleted)
https://i.imgur.com/kgHfrKc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/76dt3XM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/trZ0miQ.jpg
Although the story was quite complicated to understand but I have read it multiple times. So what I understand someone had asked to @elmanchez for send btc address to OP bitcointalk profile. Since @Royse777 have verified OP claim and @elmanchez admitted that he has sent btc address to OP, so mistake happened by @elmanchez. Most likely scammer dealing with both of them (with OP & elmanchez).
@elmanchez, you shouldn't simply sent someone else bitcoin address to other user. You should write your own message like about what are you going to deal and how. You have no way to prove yourself innocent on this case. You are the one who is responsible for it.
Conclusion; My personal view on this case is @elmanchez have to pay somehow. Either he will ended up with negative feedback since there is no chances to prove innocent because telegram chat isn't enough to prove. Or he have to pay fund lost by OP due to sent PM.
I can understand OP & elmanchez both of them are victim, there is no other solution if @elmanchez unable to prove him innocent.
@elmanchez, you shouldn't simply sent someone else bitcoin address to other user. You should write your own message like about what are you going to deal and how. You have no way to prove yourself innocent on this case. You are the one who is responsible for it.
Conclusion; My personal view on this case is @elmanchez have to pay somehow. Either he will ended up with negative feedback since there is no chances to prove innocent because telegram chat isn't enough to prove. Or he have to pay fund lost by OP due to sent PM.
I can understand OP & elmanchez both of them are victim, there is no other solution if @elmanchez unable to prove him innocent.
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