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LoyceV

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Quote from: lexitark on June 21, 2020, 05:27:47 PM

I didn't know it was a lbc wallet until i made transfer

I've never used localbitcoins, so I don't know how it looks, but doesn't it tell you it's an "internal" transaction?

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whoever planned this was counting on that I can't prove a internal transfer

This is confusing. Assuming it's a triangle scam, the scammer has his (your) money already. The scammer doesn't care if you can prove anything to elmanchez, because it's now only between the 2 victims.

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Quote from: lexitark on June 21, 2020, 05:50:43 PM

elmancez:

Quote from: elmanchez on June 20, 2020, 01:20:14 AM

So he want this person to pay him WMZ first, then should elmancez pm a WMZ wallet to me if he want me to pay him WMZ? why did he PM me a btc wallet? does this story and action seems too odd to you people? not mention he sent someone else wallet to me

This looks tricky.

But it was the impersonators own BTC address, which he asked Elmanchez to send him through bitcointalk PM to verify.

lexitark

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let me get this straight

2 stories

mine:

Elmanchez contacted me on telegram saying he wants to buy my btc, and because he has good trading history, I should send him btc first, I said Ok, but PM your wallet from btc talk so I know it is your wallet
I believe that is how most people do exchange here

elmancez:

Quote from: elmanchez on June 20, 2020, 01:20:14 AM

So elmancez wants this person to pay him WMZ first, then should elmancez pm a WMZ wallet to me if he want me to pay him WMZ? why did he PM me a btc wallet? does this story and action seems too odd to you people? not mention he sent someone else wallet to me

lexitark

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@Royse777 thanks for you help

for those who still believe I am behind this, you have no idea how hard it was to prove a localbitcoin internal transfer that has no TXID

I reached out at least 10 legendary members for the last 2 days, asking them to verify my transaction, I would do it on team viewer, discord, video etc, let them have complete access to my exchange account, most of them turn me down, they said it is too risk for them to open in team viewer, I almost fail until @Royse777 agreed last night

If I had planed it why did I even use lbc internal transfer that is so hard to prove? will a scammer give someone access to his exchange wallet? which is real name verified

I didn't know it was a lbc wallet until i made transfer, whoever planned this was counting on that I can't prove a internal transfer

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What a way of scamming and how intelligent the scammer. I see the thread yesterday but have not enough time to read because of busy irl. So what I understand elmanchez did a careless job by sending the BTC address requested by a stranger. And something is suspicious to me who actually the scammer. And I am thinking if the OP planned this way to scam. It's really possible.

btw I am agee with Loycev that BTC address should be posted here in this thread.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on June 21, 2020, 07:51:29 AM

Quote from: elmanchez on June 21, 2020, 07:11:11 AM

Contact me via telegram @lexitark , or sent me BTC adress in PM, i will pay once i will got some money...

After all these, I would suggest do everything on the forum instead of Telegram or any other platform.

I suggest to post the address in this thread.

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Quote from: elmanchez on June 21, 2020, 07:11:11 AM

If @Royse777 confirms the transaction...

I already concluded that the evidences were clear to me that lexitark has sent the BTC to the address you admitted that you PMed. Now if you can prove to me that you have been trapped by some third party then please feel free to come up with your defense.

Quote from: elmanchez on June 21, 2020, 07:11:11 AM

Contact me via telegram @lexitark , or sent me BTC adress in PM, i will pay once i will got some money...

After all these, I would suggest do everything on the forum instead of Telegram or any other platform.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on June 21, 2020, 07:00:00 AM

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@elmanchez, can you explain?

There may have been a slight misunderstanding...

I bought WMZ and already did a couple of posts about it on the forum in currency exchange board.
If @Royse777 confirms the transaction... I have no choice but to pay my personal money. I'll need some time.

Contact me via telegram @lexitark , or sent me BTC adress in PM, i will pay once i will got some money...

AB de Royse777

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Sorry everyone but it seems I really need to talk here after having a serious investigation. User lexitark approached me on my PM and then we connected in Telegram. He showed me the internal transaction in localbitcoins in a recorded video. I can not share it in here since it's his request not to share it with anyone and I agreed.

My conclusion is that lexitark sent the btc to the said address:

Code:

329nTARJcTHsUQEKVarYtpBbK89N5gLBns

And this address was sent by elmanchez which he (elmanchez) admitted.

Quote from: elmanchez on June 20, 2020, 02:58:03 AM

If the pamynet/tx is proven, please let me know. I will refund the funds.

Since the mistake (I hope it really was) was from you and you said above (if proven then you will refund) then I think you owe lexitark 0.0092 BTC/$85.

I am sorry if you are a victim here but from my investigation turns out this is a reality in here. I am open to here your defence if you have any. Feel free to approach me like lexitark did.

Also, there are some mismatch in the post elmanchez made in his first response:

Quote from: elmanchez on June 20, 2020, 01:20:14 AM

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A person wrote to me that he wants to change BTC to WMZ

Means elmanchez is buying BTC.

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I said that I would send everything after he sent me WMZ and I agreed, the deal was for $ 22.

Means elmanchez is receiving WMZ

@elmanchez, can you explain?

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on June 20, 2020, 03:42:25 AM

Not long ago I was nearly caught on this triangle scam on telegram. Someone wanted a loan and they had collateral. He was pretending that he needs an escrow to send the collateral as he does not trust me. So we agreed on DarkStar_. Dark was added in a group chat and while we were chatting the scammer created another group and I did not realize that I was chatting with him on that fake group with fake DarkStar_ until he asked me something which seemed a red flag to me. I then checked carefully and figured that it was not Dark then confirmed it with Dark too.

My experience helped me to save me by getting scammed in this triangle trick.

I think I have started to believe that elmanchez is a victim here, I guess.

This is very tricky especially when you are not focus on telegram chat all the time and scammer was slow to reply. This trick might work on me if ever I deal with them in telegram since I was always busy on my business. The good thing on my part was I never deal huge amount of money in telegram especially when it was a loan. I always do it in the forum so no one can trick me.

I'm just using telegram for buying cheap products here in marketplace so it will be easier for the negotiation. I think this issue was already over since elmanchez already have a closure about the case.

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LoyceV

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Quote from: elmanchez on June 20, 2020, 02:58:03 AM

The other day, I was also cheated out of $ 300 (but this was done by a person with whom I had exchanged several times before.)

Slightly late, but still: you should be more careful! I use exchanges whenever I can instead of person to person trading. As long as you don't keep funds on exchanges for a long time, I think it's safer.

Quote from: Little Mouse on June 20, 2020, 03:29:06 AM

wondering if elmanchez himself doing the trick (just a guess). The story is not enough proving that elmanchez was trick. There's someone playing the game behind, may be elmanchez or may be OP himself did the trick.

I see no reason to believe this.

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I have been contacted by a few people through telegram long ago and I asked everyone to verify through bitcointalk, lucky that I was not scammed.

Even when asking to verify, you'll have to be careful for the triangle scam. Just saying "yes it's me" on Bitcointalk isn't enough, you'll have to include and verify usernames. Or a signed/staked message that clearly states the purpose of the deal, including addresses and details.
It's safer to just discuss deals on Bitcointalk.

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Quote from: LoyceV on June 20, 2020, 02:33:51 AM

Scammers are getting very creative Shocked

Surprised to such scam trick, wondering if elmanchez himself doing the trick (just a guess). The story is not enough proving that elmanchez was trick. There's someone playing the game behind, may be elmanchez or may be OP himself did the trick.
I have been contacted by a few people through telegram long ago and I asked everyone to verify through bitcointalk, lucky that I was not scammed.

elmanchez

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I will take care of the vein and try to return the funds.
The other day, I was also cheated out of $ 300 (but this was done by a person with whom I had exchanged several times before.) , which I wanted to use to pay off the debt.. I'm in a bad place right now, it's all about money.. I don't know what to do now, I hope everything will improve.

If someone wants to give me a negative review, you can do it until I solve this problem.

Quote from: LoyceV on June 20, 2020, 02:33:51 AM

Quote from: elmanchez on June 20, 2020, 01:20:14 AM

As proof, he asked me to send this address to him in a private message to prove that my account (sufficiently trusted to send $ 22 first) and threw the link of this guy, I did it

To be clear, is this what happened?

John Doe: Hi, my addy is 3xx, please PM this addy to lexitark.
You did as requested, sending someone else's address in a PM to a third person.

If that's what happened, that was dumb (to say the least)

I didn't even check his posts or the real telegram, but just did what he asked.
After 5 minutes of communication in the telegram, he asked to do this, I did not find anything suspicious about it (I proved the presence of my real account)

It's just something I've never encountered before.

1. Scammer adds a person to the telegram who sells (some newbie) Puts a similar nickname

2. Adds a more trusted user to telegram

3. Says that he will send the feather what he needs

4. Asks to confirm the authenticity of the account by sending him a message (or address as in my case)

5. Receives money and blocks both.

Ingeniously

If the pamynet/tx is proven, please let me know. I will refund the funds.

/// I don't understand why I got all this, is it karma?

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Quote from: elmanchez on June 20, 2020, 01:20:14 AM

As proof, he asked me to send this address to him in a private message to prove that my account (sufficiently trusted to send $ 22 first) and threw the link of this guy, I did it

To be clear, is this what happened?

John Doe: Hi, my addy is 3xx, please PM this addy to lexitark.
You did as requested, sending someone else's address in a PM to a third person.

If that's what happened, that was dumb (to say the least)

Quote from: LoyceV on June 20, 2020, 12:55:24 AM

@elmanchez: can you check https://bitcointalk.org/myips.php to see if anything is wrong?

All clear.. Although... someone join to my profile from New York, but it's not today. lol

This link shows all IP addressed used to login to account in the last 30 days. If you used a VPN from New York it's okay, if you didn't use that, it means someone else did.

Quote from: Coin_trader on June 20, 2020, 01:36:33 AM

Don't be afraid on losing DT2 title for this scenario because if you give up then they will keep doing this kind of scheme to other DT.

Scammers will keep doing this with or without elmanchez paying back the victim. It's nice that elmanchez wants to correct mistakes he made, and if he really sent a PM with just someone else's Bitcoin address, he helped the scammer scam an innocent victim who took all precautions.
Of course it's better to only deal with addresses provided within a message signed from a staked address, but I must admit I've made deals without doing that too. If I send someone a PM with a Bitcoin address, they expect me to be the owner.

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Quote from: elmanchez on June 20, 2020, 01:20:14 AM

Since I play a role in this, I will pay you back in the near future, as soon as I pay my debts on the forum. although I have nothing to do with it. I only use 1-2 addresses on this forum.
The situation is terrible, and I was completely surprised to read a message from you in the form of " Send me my $ 90"

It would be stupid to go to your tsele, as well as to DT2 and be active on the forum, which would spoil everything because of 0.009 btc

/// but this is alarming.. I don't see any transactions for this address today..

For as long that you didn't received BTC on your wallet address that you provide via PM then you don't have responsibility to pay it back to him since this is an obvious scam attempt. The OP must be cautious when trading especially when the transaction happened outside the forum.

Don't be afraid on losing DT2 title for this scenario because if you give up then they will keep doing this kind of scheme to other DT.

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A person wrote to me that he wants to change BTC to WMZ , and I sent him a screenshot and a link to my profile in my address.
He said I would have to send dengyi to this address.
I said that I would send everything after he sent me WMZ and I agreed, the deal was for $ 22.
As proof, he asked me to send this address to him in a private message to prove that my account (sufficiently trusted to send $ 22 first) and threw the link of this guy, I did it (after that, he blocked me). In my personal message, I specified only the address and nothing more, but I can't use PayPal anymore and I haven't used it before.
It's just that a fraudster used me to trick him. Maybe it was one of the people I talk to. My telegram account is @elmanchez and no other.

It turns out that I am to blame for this.
Here is the telegram of the man who deceived us and me in the same way, @Cexius

It is impossible to prove my guilt in this situation, I agree, but my PM was not provided, I made a mistake.

Since I play a role in this, I will pay you back in the near future, as soon as I pay my debts on the forum. although I have nothing to do with it. I only use 1-2 addresses on this forum.
The situation is terrible, and I was completely surprised to read a message from you in the form of " Send me my $ 90"

It would be stupid to go to your tsele, as well as to DT2 and be active on the forum, which would spoil everything because of 0.009 btc

/// but this is alarming.. I don't see any transactions for this address today..

Quote from: LoyceV on June 20, 2020, 12:55:24 AM

@elmanchez: can you check https://bitcointalk.org/myips.php to see if anything is wrong?

All clear.. Although... someone join to my profile from New York, but it's not today. lol

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Quote from: lexitark on June 19, 2020, 11:21:42 PM

User:elmanchez approached me on telegram asking to buy my btc using his paypal fund

This is a big mistake: Telegram is scammer's paradise with instant name changes and the possibility to delete the other user's chat history.

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on June 19, 2020, 11:33:22 PM

Also, if you are okay to share the PM with me then feel free to forward the PM to me. I need to see the original PM.

Forwarding a PM doesn't prove authenticity.
There are 2 methods:
1. Report the PM to Admin and ask him to confirm here. Hilariousandco has done that before.
2. Change your password, share your account with someone trusted, have them verify the PM, and change your password again. I've confirmed a PM by this method for a user before. If you do this, by all means, stake an address first.

Quote from: lexitark on June 20, 2020, 12:29:04 AM

he and i use localbitcoin wallet, which doesnt show up in blockchain, all internal transfer without fees

That's another mistake, if there was no real Bitcoin transaction and you can't prove the accusation, maybe localbitcoins can help you.
There have been cases in which a Bitcointalk account got compromised, and the attacker only used it to scam by PM. @elmanchez: can you check https://bitcointalk.org/myips.php to see if anything is wrong?

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he and i use localbitcoin wallet, which doesnt show up in blockchain, all internal transfer without fees

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Quote from: lexitark on June 20, 2020, 12:21:28 AM

his wallet
329nTARJcTHsUQEKVarYtpBbK89N5gLBns

https://ibb.co/5vmZ3XD
https://ibb.co/nmrgB7h

On the blockchain one tx matches close to your time which is https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/f91f97f0bbf50d5d066af81f477a017adbbbea31e1f08f95f1419f30563a7503

But if I add the fees and the sent amount then it totals 0.00934134 BTC

The amount sent to that address was 0.00938700 BTC where the fees was 0.00014134 BTC
And unfortunately it does not match your description.

I not sure if I am missing anything.

Can you forward me the PM if possible?