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Topic: SCAM IPO [Bakewell] - Finally, a 'transparent' investment that will 'grow'! - page 6. (Read 47798 times)

hero member
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Ian, why do you keep deleting and re-posting the same thing over and over?  Every time you do that it re-emails everyone your posts... it's fairly annoying...



He's always done that - same as every time he does anything he makes a new locked thread and keeps bumping it to top of forum.
legendary
Activity: 1106
Merit: 1006
Lead Blockchain Developer
Ian, why do you keep deleting and re-posting the same thing over and over?  Every time you do that it re-emails everyone your posts... it's fairly annoying...

sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
Simple transfer of my shares over to bitfunder, and so far I've done two BTC transfers through wex to buy more shares. So far so good.

I like both bitfunder and btc-tc. Both great platforms with huge potential, I hope they succeed and grow.

Always if i try to Login on weex i get the Error: Could not connect to 2nd stage server...

Ah hah!
I take full responsibility for this.
There was a space in the username that was uncaught. The handling of it has been corrected.

Thanks Charles for helping me find that! Smiley

-Ukyo
hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
Thanks for the warning. I never would have purchased any shares/dumped all my shares if I knew that you would move to BF.

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Glad to hear there's solid reasons for the move - otherwise people may have suspected it was just to avoid having negative remarks showing up on the asset.
Did I miss something? Weex is not a solid reason at all. He had the worst rated asset on BTCT. That is why he moved.

Heh, sarcasm never comes across clearly on the internet - sorry.
Actually it is pretty obvious. I am just too tired. Smiley

I totally missed the sarcasm and was totally confused Sad

I guess this has the benefit of showing how easily assets can be moved between exchanges now? I just hope this does not become a fad, it will be hard to keep track of everything if people start jumping between exchanges all willy-nilly.

Yeah, at the moment BTC.CO has the only built-in system that allows moves quite so swiftly (asset issuer gets email address + number of shares).  But I'm sure BitFunder/Crypto would provide equivalent information if requested - purely because to refuse to do so would deter anyone else going there.  They both already have a means for identifying investors - just not quite so straight-forward to use.
full member
Activity: 179
Merit: 100
Cheers for the heads up Ian, I like how seamlessly transfer from btc-tc to bitfunder seemed to go, no probs getting my shares at all.

Hopefully you wont have to move again however.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
Thanks for the warning. I never would have purchased any shares/dumped all my shares if I knew that you would move to BF.

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Glad to hear there's solid reasons for the move - otherwise people may have suspected it was just to avoid having negative remarks showing up on the asset.
Did I miss something? Weex is not a solid reason at all. He had the worst rated asset on BTCT. That is why he moved.

Heh, sarcasm never comes across clearly on the internet - sorry.
Actually it is pretty obvious. I am just too tired. Smiley

I totally missed the sarcasm and was totally confused Sad

I guess this has the benefit of showing how easily assets can be moved between exchanges now? I just hope this does not become a fad, it will be hard to keep track of everything if people start jumping between exchanges all willy-nilly.
full member
Activity: 234
Merit: 101
I too am angry and disappointed about yet another arrogant stunt by Ian Bakewell, and really wish I had never invested.

I don't like Bitfunder, especially for their insistence on all sorts of personal information, and have no wish to do business with them. But I have been forced to without being asked or even notified.

As for the title of this thread (from Merriam- Webster):

Definition of EQUITABLE
1: having or exhibiting equity : dealing fairly and equally with all concerned

Definition of TRANSPARENT
d : characterized by visibility or accessibility of information especially concerning business practices

There has been none of either of these qualities shown by Bakewell recently, and no signs whatsoever of growth, or even any sort of future planning.

In the light of your extreme disregard for your shareholders, and if you really believe there is a future for Bakewell, I think you should immediately offer to buyback shares at somewhere near the IPO price from anyone who is dissatisfied by your kamikaze behaviour.
hero member
Activity: 968
Merit: 515
Thanks for the warning. I never would have purchased any shares/dumped all my shares if I knew that you would move to BF.

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Glad to hear there's solid reasons for the move - otherwise people may have suspected it was just to avoid having negative remarks showing up on the asset.
Did I miss something? Weex is not a solid reason at all. He had the worst rated asset on BTCT. That is why he moved.

Heh, sarcasm never comes across clearly on the internet - sorry.
Actually it is pretty obvious. I am just too tired. Smiley
hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
Thanks for the warning. I never would have purchased any shares/dumped all my shares if I knew that you would move to BF.

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Glad to hear there's solid reasons for the move - otherwise people may have suspected it was just to avoid having negative remarks showing up on the asset.
Did I miss something? Weex is not a solid reason at all. He had the worst rated asset on BTCT. That is why he moved.

Heh, sarcasm never comes across clearly on the internet - sorry.
hero member
Activity: 968
Merit: 515
Thanks for the warning. I never would have purchased any shares/dumped all my shares if I knew that you would move to BF.

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Glad to hear there's solid reasons for the move - otherwise people may have suspected it was just to avoid having negative remarks showing up on the asset.
Did I miss something? Weex is not a solid reason at all. He had the worst rated asset on BTCT. That is why he moved.
member
Activity: 118
Merit: 10
Owner of Empire Hotels
Simple transfer of my shares over to bitfunder, and so far I've done two BTC transfers through wex to buy more shares. So far so good.

I like both bitfunder and btc-tc. Both great platforms with huge potential, I hope they succeed and grow.

Always if i try to Login on weex i get the Error: Could not connect to 2nd stage server...
donator
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
Simple transfer of my shares over to bitfunder, and so far I've done two BTC transfers through wex to buy more shares. So far so good.

I like both bitfunder and btc-tc. Both great platforms with huge potential, I hope they succeed and grow.
hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
To clarify: BAKEWELL was not kicked off btct.co (although at this time we do have a negative peer approval)

Moving to BitFunder was a decision made by myself and I have been working with Ukyo on it for sometime Smiley

I like btct.co and will use it as a trader. I think they are a great platform, and the relationships they hold in the altcoin community could prove invaluable for some assets.
Looking into the future with BAKEWELL however, and considering the exchange integration BitFunder has with weex (and taking a gamble on where I see them positioning themselves in the market long term), it seems like a better fit for us.

Glad to hear there's solid reasons for the move - otherwise people may have suspected it was just to avoid having negative remarks showing up on the asset.

Could you expand a bit on how integration with weex is a benefit?  I trade on both Bitfunder and BTC.CO - and always viewed weex as just being an annoying extra step I had to go through whenever I want to deposit/withdraw funds.
member
Activity: 118
Merit: 10
Owner of Empire Hotels
Holy shit, you doing everything alone without any announcement!
Thats horrible, and the Fucking WeeX didnt work, so i cant pay in or out..

One of the worst companies on the market with communication Sad
legendary
Activity: 1106
Merit: 1006
Lead Blockchain Developer
Please reconsider what is going on here. This is a new situation -- an experiment. No policy which has been tested is in place on what to do in this situation.

1. I propose that there be a 90 day (THREE MONTH) period where any asset which drops below five votes can still trade and operate before halting.
2. Remedy for scams: if it drops below zero then it should be halted/frozen.

As Ian mentioned.  The asset was locked by Ian, not by the exchange.  Negative ratings do not (directly) result in de-listing.

Cheers.
vip
Activity: 812
Merit: 1000
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Trading of BAKEWELL on btct.co has been halted.

BAKEWELL is in the process of moving to BitFunder.com. Please prepare to claim your shares on that platform.

I apologize for any inconvenience.

We are thankful for btct.co extending help to us during the glbse fiasco, they have a great team and make a wonderful platform.


Please reconsider what is going on here. This is a new situation -- an experiment. No policy which has been tested is in place on what to do in this situation.

1. I propose that there be a 90 day (THREE MONTH) period where any asset which drops below five votes can still trade and operate before halting.
2. Remedy for scams: if it drops below zero then it should be halted/frozen.
legendary
Activity: 1106
Merit: 1006
Lead Blockchain Developer
Trading of BAKEWELL on btct.co has been halted.

BAKEWELL is in the process of moving to BitFunder.com. Please prepare to claim your shares on that platform.

I apologize for any inconvenience.

We are thankful for btct.co extending help to us during the glbse fiasco, they have a great team and make a wonderful platform.


Best of luck on the new exchange.  I'm a little bummed to see you go, but mostly just wish you'd given some warning so anyone that didn't want to move over could sell their shares first.   Undecided

Cheers.
hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
BAKEWELL took advantage of the current market and bought back 200 on the market shares today.

200 * .15 = 30 , however we were able to purchase them back for 22.23
The remaining BTC7.77 was sent to our growth and maintenance fund

BAKEWELL then balanced in Ian and Growth & Maintenance against the 500 sold shares in the tranche.
300 additional shares are considered active for Growth & Maintenance (now totalling 1800) and 200 were sent to Ian's personal portfolio.

This tranche will be labelled the "transitional tranche" and is now closed.
BAKEWELL now has 6000 Shares outstanding.

Share sales are suspended until a new system for raising capital and balancing in is determined and put in place.


I might be confused here, but if the number of outstanding shares goes down (because the company bought them back), then shouldn't the number of founders' shares also go down, not up ?!?!?

No. On that he's correct.  He'd only previously allocated shares for the first 2500 sold (1000 founder, 1500 growth).  Until now he'd only be doing it after 2500 were sold.  What he did here was buy back 200 then allocate based on the remaining 500 (previously 700) sold.  The contract never obliged him to allocate shares so far in arrears - so there's nothing wrong with that.  And it does make sense given that there'll likely be no new sales for a fair while.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
BAKEWELL took advantage of the current market and bought back 200 on the market shares today.

200 * .15 = 30 , however we were able to purchase them back for 22.23
The remaining BTC7.77 was sent to our growth and maintenance fund

BAKEWELL then balanced in Ian and Growth & Maintenance against the 500 sold shares in the tranche.
300 additional shares are considered active for Growth & Maintenance (now totalling 1800) and 200 were sent to Ian's personal portfolio.

This tranche will be labelled the "transitional tranche" and is now closed.
BAKEWELL now has 6000 Shares outstanding.

Share sales are suspended until a new system for raising capital and balancing in is determined and put in place.


I might be confused here, but if the number of outstanding shares goes down (because the company bought them back), then shouldn't the number of founders' shares also go down, not up ?!?!?
hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
Umm...I'm a little slow, does this mean that Ian Bakewell just got 500 MORE votes? ...or 700 more votes?

One could make the case that you're intentionally tanking this security to buy cheaper shares.

500.

What he did was that with some of the money that had been raised by selling shares he bought some back - then the difference between .15 and what he paid for them he added to G&M.

It PROBABLY increases the value of the remaining shares - no way to tell without a valuation of the hardware's current value (as G&M/private shares werent taken for the 200 bought back there's been no undue dilution).  It represents a change in his policy of when he allocates G&M/personal shares - but that was never in the contract anyway and I don't see it as unreasonable.

It didn't buy them himself - so it's only helped him if he intends the company to keep running (if he were trying to collapse it then last thing he'd do is buy any back which raises price and reduces cash on hand).

Obviously claiming the G&M shares belong to him rather than the company is still as delusional as ever: but I'm fairly optimstic he'll see sense on that as the buying back would make no sense otherwise.
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