Topic: scam okpay.com - perfect ewallet for masochists (Read 3080 times)

Hello dear,

I would be very pleased to help you but however I can not DO it,
The reason is the following:I got an negative that is now neutral from a person who in my opinion is believed THE FATHER OF THE INTERNET
So I took this negative that is now neutral because I help user's of this forum,AGAIN from THE FATHER OF THE INTERNET
I send you PM and you do not even understand what I wrote,I stopped sending anything related to this topic IN PM with this reason.
Can you post my PM,red PM!read again.

edit:

I forgot to mention,the goldux.com is owned by okpay.com in a manner unique

Hi,

i can't login my account since okpay locked it and removed any access to it, but i can paste the confirmation emails i have from okpay:

Payment

Amount
$4776.00 USD
    
Date / Time
12/16/2014 3:01 PM
    
Sender
F1EX - Formula1 EXchanger (verified)
    
Sender Email
[email protected]
 
    
Message
F1ex.com Exchange - 214051


and attempt to send:

   
Dear Mr. P A R,
You have sent a payment of $4 776.00 USD to Goldux.
    
Payment
    
Transaction ID
3798802
    
Date / Time
1/30/2015 11:17 AM
    
Description
Price
Qty
Amount
    
Goldux.com-order-60604
4 776.00
1
$4 776.00 USD
 
Total
$4 776.00 USD
    
Gross
$4 776.00 USD
    
If you encounter a problem or require more information about the product or service purchased, please contact the merchant or site owner directly:

Merchant
     
Name
Goldux  (verified)
     
Website
http://goldux.com
     
Email
[email protected]
     
Wallet ID
OK990419844

Hello dear,

Can you add some prof here with all the details?
Like pic your account,you money (4500 USD that are now in your account)
The name of verified exchanger and transaction and more info.

Bait and Switch System... Yes I realized that. They're selective scammers and once they have nothing more to say because they don't have any legal or logical arguments they decide to just ignore you.
Their customer process seems to follow this line: Very prompt when you prepare to sign-up , helpful when they assist you in funding your account, scammers when they already have your money and especially when you haven't moved them for a long time.

I did as I was asked by them initially and sent the documents were I was requested.
Finding out where okpay is registered proves to be somewhat complicated because they like to keep their jurisdiction section blank on their site.
Never mind, I will keep you updated on the actions taken against them.
Either okpay or their financial service provider must clarify it.

Hello dear,

If you search the net you will see that you are not the only one with this problem,
These garbage which are called company work on a simple system
The system is simple and very reliable but you know already the system!!you're not part of it.
PM for more info.

If your documents are notarized and apostille and if the OKPAY's company jurisdiction is part of the  Hague Convention, then OKPAY MUST accept your documents.

If OKPAY jurisdiction is not part of  Hague Convention then your docs must be legalized by the diplomatic/consular mission of OKpay's jurisdiction(i don't know who it is) in your country.

So, find out where OKPAY is registered

Same Here, but now I GOT THE FIRST OFFICIAL ANSWER REGARDING MY APOSTILLE SITUATION:

I have ommited the countries and full names but I can show the original email if someone needs confirmation. It originates from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Y  ( the country where I was asked to send the documents )

Hello Mr P R,

In reference to your email, I wish to convey to you the following
information:

1. If your documents have made apostile in X you can use them in
Y.
2. To check the number of apostile should contact the X authorities
responsible for apostile.

Best Regards,

P E

OFFICIAL PROOF ONE OKPAY IS CLEARLY A SCAM BECAUSE THEY LIE ABOUT THAT INVENTED REQUIREMENT OF A CERTAIN COUNTRY !
MORE TO COME AND WILL POST ALSO STATUSES OF LEGAL COMPLAINTS AGAINST THE COMPANY !

Look at how the available funds have decreased in Mayzus, their financial processor.


http://companycheck.co.uk/company/06721866/MAYZUS-FINANCIAL-SERVICES-LIMITED/company-summary


I guess this could explain why these people started locking old accounts...
Until now Mayzus shows bad faith and not even answer any of the emails I've sent... They are working hand in hand with okpay in keeping the money !

Ok, latest update. Mayzus is ignoring as well even though they should have an organized complaints policy in place, as they state themselves at:

http://moneypolo.com/our-complaints-policy/

This is the error I get in my inbox  when sending an email to the address specified on the page about this:

The reason of the delivery failure was:

Unknown user


Okpay still doesn't provide a realistic answer to all the requests.

Thank you for your advice, I think I have not explained well what documents were sent, sorry.
I sent: passport, utility bill, health card ( it's called gesundheitskarte or european health insurance card ), another official ID ( national ID card or drivers license, not sure which was sent because it's been some time already and I can't access my okpay account to confirm) photo with ID and OKpay account in hand, notarized and apostiled copies of passport and utility bill. Funds were received from a verified okpay exchanger and were going to be sent to another verified okpay exchanger.
I had worked with these exchangers for long time and okpay can see it in my history also. There was no issue created by me in my entire okpay client history.
The problems started when Money were left for 2 months in my account before trying to send it. This type of action is typical to selective scammers.
As mayax also advised it's best to wait for mayzus answer on the situation, probably they can clarfiy it. It is kind of scarry now, knowing that my money are with an unlicensed firm and if Mayzus would not intervene would make it scarier for members trusting the funds with a company that can go away so fast and almost no chances of recovering money. If Mayzus steps in it would prove there is still hope and trust in okpay, since when okpay changes their own terms and conditions and ignores International Regulations, you know there is a place that can understand your situation and fix it.
I think that my situation puts to test okpays' credibility in front of their customers.
All I can do for now is wait for mayzus to answer.
Thank you for your good wishes.

I am a little but surprised/confused when I read this. Your first message - "the national health card that is an ID in Europe". I am in Europe, and I don't know what a national health card is? But I do have an ID card - and it is not called a national health card. I used OKPay a lot before and I did not have many issues with them. (some payments that were delayed and some orders that failed - but that was always resolved to my entire satisfaction)

I would advise you to check with a lawyer and/or to file a complaint at your local police station. From my experience, they start being quite knowledgeable about cryptocurrencies and internet scams, and of good advice.

I wish you good luck recovering your funds!

Like you mentioned and it's been proven by past messages the only real chance is with Mayzus to step in and bring credibility to okpay users, knowing that although they deal with an unregulated company-okpay, as you have also said , funds and regulations are enforced by Mayzus that is's acting as a guarantoor.
Well we'll see on Mayzus answer on the situation.

Why don't you ask Okpay about what they really want from you? Try one more time (use few words; maybe they don't understand English well)

1)There was not a requirement of a specific country stated by okpay.com. 2 times I asked before doing what they asked.
2)The right country is any country that takes part in the Hague Convention. It is not mentioned otherwise into the Convention nor was mentioned by okpay at the moment of complying with their request.
3)Another confirmation into this direction is the fact that after receiving the documents they stated one country was only good then another country also proved to be ok.

they said that " it's not done in the right country"...didn't you apostile in your country ?

For the moment the only answer received is the one from okpay, confirming one more time that they don't want to respect the Hague Convetion regulations on apostiles.
I still await the answer from Mayzus, probably they'll fix it. We'll see.

Hello,

I appreciate again your advice in this matter, you provided a logical way to pursue. Forums are not a solution for solving an issue like this, but for sharing an experience and this is the only reason I want to have it in writing so I can resume the esential proving mayzus stepped in. In the forum a brief outcome must be posted, so it's being seen that mayzus intervened and assisted me with the matter, should this happen. It would solve a few aspects: prove that despite okpay offshore legal structure consumers still have a way for recourse in mayzus that is a regulated company willing to intervene. Let's consider Mayzus a kind of Ombudsman in the entire okpay relation, because as you mentioned the funds are handled by them.
I have no intention in creating a bad reputation to anyone, not even okpay and if things are getting solved I am willing to admit that and share with the same passion the positive outcome. For the moment I have no reason to believe in the bad intentions of mayzus since as you said it's regulated and can intervene in this situation to solve it by releasing my funds.
Also this would add a benefit for okpay since it would prove that despite legal structure funds stay in a safe and regulated place and customers can have access to it through mayzus should the need arise, like in my case.
For now I remain patient and await mayzus resolution on the matter, probably the ticket answering delays are as you said for checking with okpay the entire situation before providing an official answer.
I will keep everyone posted on the outcome and again many thanks for providing a path to follow and thumbs up to you and mayzus if my situation gets solved.

You won't ever solve your issue on forums. The forums are full of gossips, lies, interests and kids.

I would make a friendly call to Maysus if  I were in your place.

Also, even I consider Maysus as being a shitty company(not scam but shitty), you cannot make any official complaint against them.
Reason: you have not sent any funds to Maysus so they are not responsible for that. Yes, they are processing funds for OkPay but that's all.

That's why I am saying you should call Maysus and talk with them friendly. They are the only ones who can give you a hand now...

Thank you for your suggestion. I already tried to contact them, I want to have everything in writing so I can paste it in forum and prove what I am saying this is why it's important to get replies in text form.

Sent to [email protected] on Mar 2, 2015, 5:55 PM

I've sent it and got no answer from that company. Should I consider that Mayzus Financial Services Ltd is also involved in the scam?

This is my email:

Hello,

I would like information about a company with which you work and provide financial
services on their behalf. The company is okpay.com. I want to file an official complaint
against them and if needed against you as well, depending on the information you advise
below.

1) Are you also responsible for locking funds or it's only okpay.com deciding this ?
2) Can you provide me their official company details so I know in which country I file a
complaint against them? In their site is not mentioned any jurisdiction or actual contact
details. I have only found your company details and I consider filling a complaint against
it if I can't get access to theirs.
3) This company has all my documents and my money and their last request was notarized
documents. I asked them if that's enough and they said it's the current verification step.
I sent them apostiled documents because I thought the are going to ask this after the get
the notarized ones and now they are asking for another set of apostiled documents from
another country? They always change the rules of verification along the way.
Is there anything you can do help me recover the money based on the fact you are their
financial service provider or I have to solve this on my own?

I"VE SENT ONE MORE EMAIL TO THEM A FEW MOMENTS AGO SO I HAVE 2 OPEN TICKETS WITH THEM. HOPEFULLY I'LL GET AN ANSWER SOON.