Scam Report Against CryptoXchange $100k USD - page 10.

Maged

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Quote from: caveden on June 07, 2012, 02:44:08 AM

Quote from: cryptoxchange on June 07, 2012, 02:31:13 AM

AML / CFT / KYC is very important in Australia, there is a lot more to this than is shown, we are doing what we legally have to do

Care to show what's not shown?
Have you received a court order or a police order telling you to seize this money or freeze this account?

Here's the thing with AML law: CryptoXchange legally can't tell someone that they're being investigated.

Quote from: caveden on June 07, 2012, 02:44:08 AM

And why telling him that the money's on the way if it isn't? The same way he's refusing to send you notarized documents, it seems by the pictures you've avoided sending him wire receipts.

Because the money was on the way. It was the bank that flagged the transaction, after the wire request was submitted.

caveden

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Quote from: Maged on June 07, 2012, 02:38:09 AM

Has it occurred to you that this all happen because of the police? The wire was stopped at the bank, not CryptoXchange. The bank is the one that is requiring the documents. And they can't just convert the funds to BTC, because MtGox is on their ass too.

You know this for a fact or you're supposing?

I have a hard time believing the bank would be aware of "stolen bitcoins". Red flags would only be raised on their end if perhaps the account the wire was going to was "marked" somehow.
And if that was the case, I guess CryptoXChange could just say that and relief the burden of his shoulders ("it's the bank, not us! here's proof..").

Liberty Payout

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Quote from: caveden on June 07, 2012, 02:44:08 AM

Quote from: cryptoxchange on June 07, 2012, 02:31:13 AM

AML / CFT / KYC is very important in Australia, there is a lot more to this than is shown, we are doing what we legally have to do

Care to show what's not shown?
Have you received a court order or a police order telling you to seize this money or freeze this account?

And why telling him that the money's on the way if it isn't? The same way he's refusing to send you notarized documents, it seems by the pictures you've avoided sending him wire receipts.

+1. Let's see how he replies.

caveden

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Quote from: cryptoxchange on June 07, 2012, 02:31:13 AM

AML / CFT / KYC is very important in Australia, there is a lot more to this than is shown, we are doing what we legally have to do

Care to show what's not shown?
Have you received a court order or a police order telling you to seize this money or freeze this account?

And why telling him that the money's on the way if it isn't? The same way he's refusing to send you notarized documents, it seems by the pictures you've avoided sending him wire receipts.

Fuzzy

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Quote from: caveden on June 07, 2012, 02:34:05 AM

Quote from: bitlane on June 07, 2012, 01:33:06 AM

Just send him back his BTC and quite trying to be the fucking Bitcoin Police

That's probably the best way out of it.

That's not what "cryptoxchange" wants. They'll do whatever, as long as they get to keep the money and the coins.

I guess everyone has a price, and $100,000 was enough for cryptoxchange.

repentance

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Quote from: Maged on June 07, 2012, 02:26:21 AM

Advised = if you don't do it, you'll go to jail. That's what it means in this case.

This guy may or may not be the Linode hacker, but he sure as hell knows who the Linode hacker is.

Most likely it means that they will not be protected by the safe harbour provisions of the AML/CTF Act if they do not perform appropriate ongoing customer due diligence in relation to this customer - that requires them to take satisfactory measures to establish the true identity of the customer and the destination of funds according to the AML/CTF Rules Instrument which derives its authority from the Act.

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CryptoXchange,

Just so we can better understand your viewpoint on this can you explain why you legally need his proof of ID?

Maged

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Quote from: bitlane on June 07, 2012, 01:33:06 AM

Just send him back his BTC and quite trying to be the fucking Bitcoin Police, you scamming idiots.

Has it occurred to you that this all happen because of the police? The wire was stopped at the bank, not CryptoXchange. The bank is the one that is requiring the documents. And they can't just convert the funds to BTC, because MtGox is on their ass too.

Liberty Payout

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Quote from: Maged on June 07, 2012, 02:32:48 AM

Quote from: Liberty Payout on June 07, 2012, 02:30:58 AM

Quote from: Maged on June 07, 2012, 02:26:21 AM

Quote from: Liberty Payout on June 07, 2012, 02:20:47 AM

Caught something here. They advised, keyword: advised. Meaning that it's completely up to you whether or not to comply with their advice, return the guys money. Stop making excuses.

Advised = if you don't do it, you'll go to jail. That's what it means in this case.

This guy may or may not be the Linode hacker, but he sure as hell knows who the Linode hacker is.

Who are you referring to OP or CryptoXchange?

The OP. Try reading between the line. The red-flags of money laundering here for the OP are numerous.

So Crypto should return the coins. There is no law against that.

caveden

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Quote from: bitlane on June 07, 2012, 01:33:06 AM

Just send him back his BTC and quite trying to be the fucking Bitcoin Police

That's probably the best way out of it.

Maged

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Quote from: Liberty Payout on June 07, 2012, 02:30:58 AM

Quote from: Maged on June 07, 2012, 02:26:21 AM

Quote from: Liberty Payout on June 07, 2012, 02:20:47 AM

Caught something here. They advised, keyword: advised. Meaning that it's completely up to you whether or not to comply with their advice, return the guys money. Stop making excuses.

Advised = if you don't do it, you'll go to jail. That's what it means in this case.

This guy may or may not be the Linode hacker, but he sure as hell knows who the Linode hacker is.

Who are you referring to OP or CryptoXchange?

The OP. Try reading between the line. The red-flags of money laundering here for the OP are numerous.

cryptoxchange

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Crypto X Change

Quote from: Maged on June 07, 2012, 02:26:21 AM

Quote from: Liberty Payout on June 07, 2012, 02:20:47 AM

Caught something here. They advised, keyword: advised. Meaning that it's completely up to you whether or not to comply with their advice, return the guys money. Stop making excuses.

Advised = if you don't do it, you'll go to jail. That's what it means in this case.

This guy may or may not be the Linode hacker, but he sure as hell knows who the Linode hacker is.

Yes he does, and this is a separate matter all together!

cryptoxchange

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Crypto X Change

Quote from: Liberty Payout on June 07, 2012, 02:20:47 AM

Quote from: cryptoxchange on June 07, 2012, 01:37:40 AM

Quote from: Liberty Payout on June 07, 2012, 01:25:39 AM

Quote from: cryptoxchange on June 07, 2012, 01:21:08 AM

Very Simply:

This person has submitted fake identification which wasn't picked up until we had a request to withdraw to another bank account.

It has been requested at least 7 times that this person sends in Notorized & Opistilled Documentation in both upload and post.

We would also like to note this account was monitored and suspended due to suspicious circumstances in which the Notorized & Opistilled Documentation were requested.

Regards

Crypto X Change

Big guy takes down the small guy. Typical. Looking at the logs you obviously owe him cash which you are not giving him. Why not just give him his money back? Can't wait to see how this plays out.

EDIT:

Yup, image 29 you call him legitimate. Why the change of story?

No Sir,

There is much, much more to this than is being shown here. Our solicitors have advised to request Notorised & Opistlled documents, as there are many underlying issues here, WME refused on many occasions by various staff to provide us with the Notorised & Opistlled documentation AML / CFT information and not release any private information on the transactions of this person which we have not.

WME: Simply send in the Notorised & Opistlled documents via Email + Postal to our PO BOX.

Regards

Crypto X Change

Caught something here. They advised, keyword: advised. Meaning that it's completely up to you whether or not to comply with their advice, return the guys money. Stop making excuses.

Liberty Payout,

You have absolutely no idea what has actually gone on here. As we've stated above were not going to continue replying to this garbage, we are not scammers, please go and find people that are not happy with our exchange!

AML / CFT / KYC is very important in Australia, there is a lot more to this than is shown, we are doing what we legally have to do, WME - Send the documents please!

Liberty Payout

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Quote from: Maged on June 07, 2012, 02:26:21 AM

Quote from: Liberty Payout on June 07, 2012, 02:20:47 AM

Caught something here. They advised, keyword: advised. Meaning that it's completely up to you whether or not to comply with their advice, return the guys money. Stop making excuses.

Advised = if you don't do it, you'll go to jail. That's what it means in this case.

This guy may or may not be the Linode hacker, but he sure as hell knows who the Linode hacker is.

Who are you referring to OP or CryptoXchange?

Unacceptable

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I feel pretty good about my measly 37 BTC theft Shocked

dirtycat

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def not gonna use this exchange

Maged

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Quote from: Liberty Payout on June 07, 2012, 02:20:47 AM

Caught something here. They advised, keyword: advised. Meaning that it's completely up to you whether or not to comply with their advice, return the guys money. Stop making excuses.

Advised = if you don't do it, you'll go to jail. That's what it means in this case.

This guy may or may not be the Linode hacker, but he sure as hell knows who the Linode hacker is.

Liberty Payout

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Quote from: cryptoxchange on June 07, 2012, 01:37:40 AM

Quote from: Liberty Payout on June 07, 2012, 01:25:39 AM

Quote from: cryptoxchange on June 07, 2012, 01:21:08 AM

Very Simply:

This person has submitted fake identification which wasn't picked up until we had a request to withdraw to another bank account.

It has been requested at least 7 times that this person sends in Notorized & Opistilled Documentation in both upload and post.

We would also like to note this account was monitored and suspended due to suspicious circumstances in which the Notorized & Opistilled Documentation were requested.

Regards

Crypto X Change

Big guy takes down the small guy. Typical. Looking at the logs you obviously owe him cash which you are not giving him. Why not just give him his money back? Can't wait to see how this plays out.

EDIT:

Yup, image 29 you call him legitimate. Why the change of story?

No Sir,

There is much, much more to this than is being shown here. Our solicitors have advised to request Notorised & Opistlled documents, as there are many underlying issues here, WME refused on many occasions by various staff to provide us with the Notorised & Opistlled documentation AML / CFT information and not release any private information on the transactions of this person which we have not.

WME: Simply send in the Notorised & Opistlled documents via Email + Postal to our PO BOX.

Regards

Crypto X Change

Caught something here. They advised, keyword: advised. Meaning that it's completely up to you whether or not to comply with their advice, return the guys money. Stop making excuses.

Liberty Payout

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Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on June 07, 2012, 02:11:45 AM

The trouble as always is the requirement for AML and bending over to take it up the ass from governments.

I would think the OP is still entitled to his coins back at the very least. Or can they just run off with $100,000?

Bitcoin Oz

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Wat

The trouble as always is the requirement for AML and bending over to take it up the ass from governments.

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