SCGuild - SolidCoin Fork of BTC Guild

wolftaur

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Yes and if so good should be able to change around the files in a simple *nix build system and it still work christ I know next to jack shit about programming but I fixed the makefile.osx so it would still build... I'm thinking he is probably an MSCE who knows a little c++ as all his experience in software seems to be MS related and he certainly has their FUD tactics down to a tee.

How do you get an MSCE off your porch?

Pay for your pizza.

smoothie

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Quote from: zerokwel on September 05, 2011, 01:34:34 AM

+1

totally agree with you decision.

+1 Let it rest in peace.

zerokwel

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+1

totally agree with you decision.

wolftaur

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Quote from: eleuthria on September 04, 2011, 06:28:27 PM

You don't base something off the work of others, then start going off about how bad their work was, how much better yours is, then refuse to help them when you find an issue. If you're so damn good, make your own BTC-like currency from scratch without looking at the BTC code while you do it.

Agreed 100%. And as a software developer I have to admit I find the license change to be incredibly offensive, especially how he specifically referred to the Bitcoin project as not allowed to take any benefit. I had issues with some of CoinHunter's behavior for a good while but it really took that to get me to be vocal about it. Along with his conversation with gavin.

I think you taking down the pool is completely justified, and I give you credit for doing it now over SolidCoin's clear lack of commitment to open source or fairness, rather than doing it earlier over his opinions and public behavior.

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Quote from: wolftaur on September 04, 2011, 06:13:02 PM

If doublec and/or Eleuthria stated they tried talking to him and got nowhere, my own personal experience would tell me to believe them and ignore any claim CoinHunter made to the contrary.

I can't speak for doublec, but I haven't made much contact with RealSolid in the past. My impression was he hated me and BTC Guild ever since I made the original BTC Guild fork for I0Coins. I gave SC support at first, thinking we may have had a sub-BTC type fork for small transactions with fast confirms. At first I didn't think much about how the ArtForz issue was handled, but the logs of the chat between RealSolid and gavinanderson put me over the edge.

You don't base something off the work of others, then start going off about how bad their work was, how much better yours is, then refuse to help them when you find an issue. If you're so damn good, make your own BTC-clone currency from scratch [without looking at the BTC code while you do it].

wolftaur

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Quote from: Frozenace on September 04, 2011, 06:15:00 PM

Ouch... he can't seem to be able to handle being god and the printing press at the same time.

In all fairness, I doubt there are many that could. I think any fork that is just under the control of one person is automatically suspect. Almost any real FOSS project needs multiple people who all have equal authority and control. Especially here. If a huge part of the premise is decentralization, how is there validity in centralizing so much with one sole person with no checks and balances internal to the project itself?

Frozenace

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Ouch... he can't seem to be able to handle being god and the printing press at the same time.

wolftaur

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Quote from: Frozenace on September 04, 2011, 06:08:37 PM

In an ideal world, bit parking, btc guild and the solidcoin guy should have had discussions before any stupid moves occur. Lucky for me that I just started mining solid coins today, haha.

Discussions wouldn't have helped. When I was first talking to CoinHunter we got along just fine. He even gave me a bunch of solid coins just for the hell of it. After ArtForz spotted a few vulnerabilities I basically went to CoinHunter in private and asked if he'd have wanted me to help him go over them and see if they were exploitable.

He pretty much just flipped out on me. He couldn't handle the idea that someone thought he might have made a mistake in his work.

If doublec and/or Eleuthria stated they tried talking to him and got nowhere, my own personal experience would tell me to believe them and ignore any claim CoinHunter made to the contrary.

eleuthria

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Actually, I sold the majority of my coins back when they were actually worth something (~0.02). But I don't deny that I sold the rest of my coins after posting my announcement. Not that it mattered, the price tanked when doublec closed bitparking, not as a result of me cashing out.

Frozenace

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Sorry, that's what I meant, a pool.

eleuthria, I guess you're not denying then that you sold off most of your solid coins before you released your announcement.

Btw. wolftaur, the damage has been done, no point in ranting further about CoinHunter's moral qualities.

In an ideal world, bit parking, btc guild and the solidcoin guy should have had discussions before any stupid moves occur. Lucky for me that I just started mining solid coins today, haha.

In my opinion, crypto currencies can only survive with a certain degree of stability.

wolftaur

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Quote from: eleuthria on September 04, 2011, 12:09:23 PM

If I do a mass payout, most people will never see their coins either way. Most accounts have no wallet at all. Most of the ones that do use SC Exchange (Bitparking) wallets, which are no longer being supported by doublec.

Yeah, since CoinHunter's arrogance means massive amounts of diskspace needed to sync the block chain, it's a lot harder to run it on an old spare computer. I don't have any willingness to trust running it on a machine with a Bitcoin wallet given CoinHunter's arrogance and intentional spreading of misinformation about the competitor whos code he depended on to make his own "product." Especially after his dick move of specifically stating in the "new license" that Bitcoin isn't allowed any bug fixes or improvements he makes. Even ixcoins isn't that blatantly pathetic.

eleuthria

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I don't run any exchange, just a pool.

Frozenace

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eleuthria, have you even tried to discuss the issues you have with the solidcoin guy before you decided to shut down your exchange?

i bet quite a few people have lost a fair bit of money. Why don't you let it up to the people if they want to mine SC or not?

Thanks to this drama, Bitcoin itself has probably felt quite an aftershock as well.

solidcoin -> bitcoin -> USD, thus driving the price down.

Since you knew when you were going to shut down the exchange, you would have sold your holdings just before the crash, thank you very much.

Lumpy

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Got it. Though it may not matter anyway. What will the coins really be worth in a week's time? Tongue

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Quote from: Lumpy on September 04, 2011, 12:04:22 PM

eleuthria, I support your decision 100%. Nevertheless, is there any way to program a mass payout of all accounts on Sep. 11 so that people won't complain that they "missed the notice" or some such?

If I do a mass payout, most people will never see their coins either way. Most accounts have no wallet at all. Most of the ones that do use SC Exchange (Bitparking) wallets, which are no longer being supported by doublec.

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eleuthria, I support your decision 100%. Nevertheless, is there any way to program a mass payout of all accounts on Sep. 11 so that people won't complain that they "missed the notice" or some such?

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Quote from: eleuthria on September 04, 2011, 11:46:47 AM

Quote from: 3phase on September 04, 2011, 11:10:19 AM

Is this gone too?

No block confirmations again.

Another daemon bug?

Confirmations fixed. SC Guild will be shutting off in 1 week. I planned on keeping this running, since the new server setup was much cheaper to maintain, but after the last few days, I'm withdrawing all support for RealSolid/CoinHunter and SolidCoins.

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Due to licensing changes in SolidCoin, the arrogance of the developer, and his complete lack of respect to developers of the project he based his entire project on, SC Guild will be going offline on September 11th (one week from this notice). Any developer of a massive online platform should welcome bug reports and fix them, not cry and complain when someone uses them to prove the point that the developer refused to acknowledge.

The pool will keep functioning until September 7th, to give users time to change their miners. Payouts will stop being available at noon on September 11th (PDT).

+1 Another nail in the coffin of solidcoins.

Better sell your coins before the difficulty drops so far mining will become so easy your coins "value" will be inflated away.

LOL

eleuthria

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Quote from: 3phase on September 04, 2011, 11:10:19 AM

Is this gone too?

No block confirmations again.

Another daemon bug?

Confirmations fixed. SC Guild will be shutting off in 1 week. I planned on keeping this running, since the new server setup was much cheaper to maintain, but after the last few days, I'm withdrawing all support for RealSolid/CoinHunter and SolidCoins.

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Due to licensing changes in SolidCoin, the arrogance of the developer, and his complete lack of respect to developers of the project he based his entire project on, SC Guild will be going offline on September 11th (one week from this notice). Any developer of a massive online platform should welcome bug reports and fix them, not cry and complain when someone uses them to prove the point that the developer refused to acknowledge.

The pool will keep functioning until September 7th, to give users time to change their miners. Payouts will stop being available at noon on September 11th (PDT).

3phase

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Third score

Is this gone too?

No block confirmations again.

Another daemon bug?

kiwiasian

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It's the same address I used for my past four payments, all successful. Still happening..

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