Scottish Independence May Be Coming Soon - page 3.

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British PM heads to Scotland hoping to boost 'No' vote

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Edinburgh (AFP) - British Prime Minister David Cameron on Monday makes his last visit to Scotland ahead of this week's independence referendum, hoping to boost the "No" vote, with polls predicting a very tight race.

Meanwhile, Queen Elizabeth II reportedly made her first comment on the referendum.

British media said the 88-year-old monarch told an onlooker after attending church near her Balmoral estate in the Scottish Highlands on Sunday: "Well, I hope people will think very carefully about the future."

More...http://news.yahoo.com/rivals-bid-votes-knife-edge-scotland-referendum-114656453.html;_ylt=AwrSyCWeDxdU.yYAoL3QtDMD

I'm definitely rooting for the Scots to pull this off.

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freedom is the birthright of all nations in the world, taken with the struggle for independence, sometimes many lives must be sacrificed for a freedom, colonialism no longer in accordance with the principles and rights of the nation, even this is not in accordance with the rights of a human person, scottish entitled to independence, as well as with the independence of Palestine is part of the human right to be fought by all of us. hopefully we can fight for the rights of our independence, our nation, and other nations in the world ... Tongue

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 14, 2014, 09:28:44 AM

Quote from: Lethn on September 14, 2014, 09:26:19 AM

If they vote yes guys, I'm seriously considering driving over to Scotland and talking to the SNP to see if they'd be willing to adopt an entirely new currency, does anyone else in the UK have some free time that they'd be able to go as well?

I don't think they will adopt any currency other than the UKP or the Euro. Since they are going to join the European Union, I think they will prefer the Euro. Also, the British won't be too keen to allow them to use the UK Pound either. There is some discussion going there about the creation of Scottish Pound, but I don't think that will be a viable idea.

It will be if they do it efficiently that's why they need to talk to people who'd know about that sort of thing.

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Quote from: Lethn on September 14, 2014, 09:26:19 AM

If they vote yes guys, I'm seriously considering driving over to Scotland and talking to the SNP to see if they'd be willing to adopt an entirely new currency, does anyone else in the UK have some free time that they'd be able to go as well?

I don't think they will adopt any currency other than the UKP or the Euro. Since they are going to join the European Union, I think they will prefer the Euro. Also, the British won't be too keen to allow them to use the UK Pound either. There is some discussion going there about the creation of Scottish Pound, but I don't think that will be a viable idea.

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If they vote yes guys, I'm seriously considering driving over to Scotland and talking to the SNP to see if they'd be willing to adopt an entirely new currency, does anyone else in the UK have some free time that they'd be able to go as well? We could also see if we can't get Max Keiser over there too because it looks like he's back in London now, I could offer people lifts if you're on the route.

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The latest opinion poll (by Yougov) puts YES in the lead with 51% (against 49% for NO). And with less than 100 hours to go for the polls, I have a feeling that this will go to the wire. The winning margin (for which ever side it might be) will be less than 1%. Reminds me of the Quebec (Canada) referendum, where NO beat YES by less than 1% of the votes....

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The latest polls show the naysayers sneaking it at the death
Have no beef in this, but hope for the scots that whatever they decide works out or them

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http://rt.com/uk/187624-england-scotland-independence-rally/

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I have a feeling that if Scotland secedes from the UK, then it might trigger a chain reaction. Northern Ireland will be the first one to follow Scotland, as Catholics are nearing a majority there (also, most of the protestants are of Scottish origin). The Isle of Man and the Channel Islands might also witness strong nationalist movement. Wales is quite unlikely to secede, as ethnic Welsh are a minority there.

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Quote from: Balthazar on September 09, 2014, 10:40:12 AM

Quote from: murraypaul on September 09, 2014, 10:35:24 AM

It is a rather bizarre suggestion that the UK would use military force to prevent Scotland becoming independent, having just held a referendum on that subject. If Scotland votes for independence, it will become independent.

I don't see anything strange or controversial in this suggestion. Look to the Germany or Japan for examples. They won't use force directly, but simple presence of these bases there gives them some additional influence on the government. No matter good or bad. However, I think that it's not our business.

If Scotland became independent, those bases would (eventually) be transferred to the new Scottish government.
The logistics are likely to take a while to sort out, given that Trident is based there, and the UK want it and Scotland doesn't.
There is no suggestion that the UK would maintain a permanent military presence, as the US has done, Scotland wouldn't want that, and the UK certainly wouldn't want to pay for it.

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Quote from: murraypaul on September 09, 2014, 10:35:24 AM

It is a rather bizarre suggestion that the UK would use military force to prevent Scotland becoming independent, having just held a referendum on that subject. If Scotland votes for independence, it will become independent.

I don't see anything strange or controversial in this suggestion. Look to the Germany or Japan for examples. They won't use force directly, but simple presence of these bases there gives them some additional influence on the government. No matter good or bad. However, I think that it's not our business.

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Quote from: Balthazar on September 09, 2014, 10:31:28 AM

P.S. It's interesting that in case of UK - Scotland situation is a kind of opposite. Despite the fact that referendum was allowed by the central government, there are military bases on the Scotland territory. These bases could be used for suppression because there is no 3rd party to stop them.

It is a rather bizarre suggestion that the UK would use military force to prevent Scotland becoming independent, having just held a referendum on that subject. If Scotland votes for independence, it will become independent. I don't think even the most fervent Yes supporters think anything like that would happen.
The same is true for Northern Ireland. It has been the stated position of the UK government for decades that if a majority of Northern Ireland residents voted for parties supporting independence, the government would work with them to achieve that.

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Quote from: hdbuck on September 09, 2014, 09:02:29 AM

go vote dombassers.. Roll Eyes

They already tried this way and got the bombs & shellings instead of answer. New ceasefire agreement includes a local elections in these regions, but it seems that none of the parties is going to follow this agreement. They have too many mutual trust issues.

Quote from: hdbuck on September 09, 2014, 09:02:29 AM

However,are you implying that they actually have to be independent to cease fire as it happened in crimea?!

With exception for Sevastopol's incident there was no fighting in the Crimea. Roll Eyes

Because RoC and LPR/DPR situations are very different.

First, it already was an autonomous republic with own judicial, legislative and executive power. It had a legitimate parliament and direct control over police forces.
Second, a significant part of population here is presented with military personnel, retired officers and their families. They have the skills of warfare, usage of military equipment, etc. In contrast to the Donbass, the military professions are dominant here.
Third, there were ~10k of russian troops stationed according to treaties. According to these treaties, they were obliged to maintain the security measures in case of emergency situation.

That's the reason why Ukraine never tried, and would never try to do anything there.

P.S. It's interesting that in case of UK - Scotland situation is a kind of opposite. Despite the fact that referendum was allowed by the central government, there are military bases on the Scotland territory. These bases could be used for suppression because there is no 3rd party to stop them.

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Quote from: Balthazar on September 09, 2014, 08:43:34 AM

Quote from: hdbuck on September 09, 2014, 08:40:59 AM

So if they become independent, is england going to bomb the shit outta them as Ukraine is doing in crimea? Grin

I don't think that London will need any kind of humanitarian bombings because there are enough troops on scottish territory.

Looks like you're a little confused. It's a Donetsk Republic who have seen a kind of ultimate solution through humanitarian bombings, shortly after referendum. Nobody bombed Crimea because it would be a suicide for the Ukraine. Roll Eyes

Yea, i was oversimplifying because of the funny parallel.
And "humanitarian bombing", ahahaha. nice one. ^^

However,are you implying that they actually have to be independent to cease fire as it happened in crimea?! go vote dombassers.. Roll Eyes

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I am not familiar with rules for the Scottish referendum. Do they need 50% + 1 "yes" of all registered voters, or they're counting only those who actually cast their vote?

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Quote from: hdbuck on September 09, 2014, 08:40:59 AM

So if they become independent, is england going to bomb the shit outta them as Ukraine is doing in crimea? Grin

I don't think that London would need any kind of bombing to resolve this issues by force, because there are enough troops on scottish territory.

Looks like you're confused a little.

It's a Donetsk Republic who have seen a kind of ultimate solution through humanitarian bombings shortly after referendum. Nobody bombed Crimea because it would be a suicide for the Ukraine.

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So if they become independent, is england going to bomb the shit outta them as Ukraine is doing in crimea? Grin

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Quote from: countryfree on September 09, 2014, 08:14:32 AM

What about debt? If Scotland gets independence, it will get its share of UK's debt in British pounds. If it has its own currency, would the debtors accept it as payment?

A yes voter will be along shortly to tell you that if they don't get to share the "asset" of the pound then they won't need to take on any of the "liabilities" = debt either and they will walk away from it.

They'll say this because that is what Alex Salmond always says.

It's completely false of course, there's no way they'd reach that agreement with rUK post a Yes vote. But confirmation bias gets in the way.

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Quote from: chipug on September 09, 2014, 07:01:51 AM

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Quote from: Balthazar on September 02, 2014, 02:56:40 AM

It will be good for them in any case. Their head of state won't be so crazy, at least.

If Scotland became independent, they would keep the same head of state.

This is the Yes proposal but it would be voted on in independence.

There are no plans for any special vote for that.
Scotland could elect a republican government at a Scottish general election, who could then move to change the head of state.

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The Scottish Government’s proposal is that the Queen remains Head of State in Scotland, in the same way as she is currently Head of State in independent nations such as Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
This would be the position for as long as the people of Scotland wished our country to remain a monarchy.
In future Scottish elections voters can elect a party or parties that wish Scotland to become a republic, just as today we could elect politicians to Westminster who want the UK to become a republic.

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Your country may be your worst enemy

What about debt? If Scotland gets independence, it will get its share of UK's debt in British pounds. If it has its own currency, would the debtors accept it as payment?

Those things are not easy, and solutions will take years to implement.

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