Topic: Scrap the trolling rule? (Read 837 times)

And why they afraid, because sometimes they take it to personal.
I just would say that if there is something they would like to write and they need an alt Account for it it would be better to write nothing.
Would be safe the time and effort to create a new Account and mostly with that Account just trolling happens.
Anyway everybody can do what he thinks, but behaving is something others.

You idealize "a lot of Users". In a situation when merit and trust are controlled by gangs, a lot of Users are afraid to express their opinion.

But those super liberal super progressive ideologies are why you are not banned for previous scamming, extortion, shady escrow and trust abuse. Not that even should those ideologies change should your dangerous behaviors be conflated with people telling the truth lol

This is clearly not defined as trolling so pointless to keep pretending not to notice legitimate and truthful statements that you all wish remain hidden can't be shoehorned into the trolling compartment. I know that is inconvenient.

Not trolling, stop crying scammer about people daring to present inconvenient truths.

Imho even the far-from-subtle "trolling" is not much enforced, if by that we mean the posts deleted or more.
Imho at least the far-from-subtle "trolling" posts could be handled better. But I know it's not easy, since, yep, freedom of speech. I guess that all depends from report to report and from mod to mod.
And there's always the ultimate tool - ignore user - although it's a dangerous tool, since it could allow the forum become a cesspool without us noticing it.

This being said, my vote is to keep the rule, whether it's well enforced or not.
(Maybe we can discuss towards improving the way this is handled better.)

The rule would work if it was actually being enforced. If you scrap it, then the chaos will be even worse than it is today.

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This is why I do not report such posts. This rule is barely enforced at all, and some super-liberal super-progressive moderator will mark it bad within 3 seconds.

That's very funny. Thanks very much.

Actually, I don't want to upset you,  but the validity of your premise is fully dependant on clearly demonstrating his points are incorrect and that his motives are as you speculate. You're a very useful member. I would advise you start your own self congratulatory thread as soon as possible.

To navigate to the truth one must push right through the lies, diversions, unintentional misunderstandings, the blathering of fools and anything else that buckles and reveals itself as conjecture or improbable speculation.

Demonstrate his points are false
Demonstrate a very high probability he was aware his statements were false

You have a strong case for trolling.

You can not then try red tagging him to shut him up.

Debunk clearly people's points and arguments, if you fail then squeal false claims of trolling , mental illness or run to red tags like the rest of the moronic drooling fools in meta.

In my opinion, such behavior should be regarded as trolling. I see in this message an attempt to hurt LoyceV's feelings by mentioning the dead Zepher and provoking a reaction. The troll knew it was a trolling, so he wrote from an alternative account.

In my opinion, the rules about trolling should be tightened.

For a person only interested in "Truth", you do like to speculate a lot 


Since you haven't demonstrated that my premise is invalid I don't have to 'demonstrate his points' are incorrect... I have exposed their intentions according to my premise, I don't have to break down each point as it is subjective...

Truth or Dare ?
Which one's gonna be? ☝️😂

The narrative of pure congratulatory servile slobbering with no real context.

The other points you confess are speculation. Perhaps he is only interested in those that produce bitcoin code? and objects to merit given to other members. You need not create an account to read and accrue knowledge.

The truth always has merit. Its not a matter of figuring it out. Just historically correct statements that he believes are relevant.

Which parts of his post have you debunked and demonstrated were untrue? I must have missed those.

Until you demonstrate his points are undeniably incorrect you can't very well evoke the boards definition of trolling.

And what narrative are we talking about here?  LoyceV just created a thread about his journey on bitcointalk, Wasn't asking us to worship him or something. What False narrative here @lolsalot was correcting here?


I'm not sure if you are drunk or merely trolling at this point. How in the world did @lolsalot know so much 2 forum members? Clearly has to be lurking here for a long time with no account which is kind of a stretch.


The message had no merit unfortunately, just said the things which a person with an IQ of 69 can even figure out... 


Done! 

Speculation on intention, account origin and the rest makes zero sense and had nothing to do with the boards definition of trolling. That's quite an achievement and very funny. Your post is clearly nearer to trolling that the post in question.

What if his intention was to inject some truth and context to the false narrative?
From the only account he has created?
What if the message should be viewed on it's own merits?
What if it was true and not therefore the deliberate promulgation of false and incorrect information as true? or visa versa?
Who said a post can not be trolling if your other posts are not trolling?

Can someone just debunk the members points and denostrate they are untrue? else move along

I voted No too, sorry but it's far to be an account trolling. A person can't be labeled as a "troll" because someone disliked his first post. It's not like he has 1000 posts constantly trying to create problems or create a controversy. Yes, he created a fake account, then?
Sometimes it's not a problem and sometimes it is, depending on the day of the week here. He gave his opinion if he can't then we all could be labeled as a "troll"

We don't need to scrap it, however, I'm not sure if it applies to the post in question. I agree with what @PrimeNumber7 said... Trolling is not something that you disagree with. Nor is it something that is critical of someone you like. Trolling will generally be more than a single post. Having said that I believe the intentions should be also accounted for. E.G in this case, an alt account was created just to belittle LoyceV and Zepher to basically Provoke the community and the targets and I think @lolsalot succeeded in doing that Cuz here we are talking about whether we should scrap the trolling rule or not. I kinda feel like this should be considered a case of trolling, if @lolsalot really wanted to be critical of LoyceV and Zepher, they should have done it from their original account and not hide behind Aliases. So I kinda agree with your judgement there... "100% trolling" indeed.

I'm sure you'll find a great many more similarities if you pay attention. The question is are they deliberate or merely a sloppy disguise.

Not sure if your post is derailing or intentionally inflammatory though? either way perma ban could be the best solution.

Jokes aside, the post in question appears true, loyceV has not contributed code to bitcoin and has no achievements of real substance. No original thought provoking posts that really changed anything. An average or below average member who mostly copy and pastes forum raw data, and screams troll at those that crush his feeble mind in debate
Well when he is not drawing reference to his heap of merits he is overly proud of.

The point about the dead member seems irrelevant but I have no idea if the other points about this members are true or false. If anything said can be demonstrated to be untrue then produce your robust rebuttal. It could be seen as distasteful but wouldn't be trolling unless it was clearly untrue.

The rules on trolling are clear and well thought out considering it's bitcoin talk. You can not police what may be inflammatory to every member here. You could identify bogus and clearly untrue statements that are being promulgated (i remember someone else using that word quite often) as true and correct, and delete those and give a warning though.

I don't think it's worth a big thread to cry and complain that there are members capable of noticing loyceV is largely a copy and paste spammer, who has not contributed code to bitcoin nor is capable of contributing anything oh value to any kind of interesting and valuable debate. Shit posting net negative imbecile. One who wants to appear fair and impartial but too terrified to stand up to blatant abusers and scammers that could jeopardise his chipmixer dust

Came to complain he couldn't join a faucet, 5 years later still milking the forum at max possible rates with chipmixer and a paid avatar.


end silly thread. Anyone is free to present their opinion. Of what they say is true but unpopular does not mean you can cry for bans and censorship.

Debunk people's points or arguments. Demonstrate clearly they are presenting false and incorrect information or cry into your pillow or mommy's ear.

That's your problem right there. My kids are way past the angel stage

Point taken. I shall report myself for trolling myself.

I don't think it's trolling, but something way worst. This guy attacked a dead man! A dead man who can't defend himself! That's a desecration act!

Similar to the barbars which plundered dead bodies for their jewlery!

There are not enough enough words for describing such things. It's against any religion!

Fighting with dead people! Seriously?!?!?!

And about what Mitchell said. And also LoyceV:




Oh and one more thing: truth or dare never said (as far as I know) he is not CH / TOAA. However, even if he said or not, I observed something interesting, to say the least: he tends to quote full OPs / full replies, as TOAA used to.

Maybe a coincidence, as The-Devil was saying. Maybe not.


Edit: oh and a quick tip for suchmoon - man (ma'am ?), if I am allowed: please, please, don't involve your children in such discussions, not even for fun. They are sacred! I am also a father of a young one, only 8 months old, and I know what means being a parent. Children are our most precious aspects in this life, we must cherish them. As they will cherish us too, after years. They are angels!

Because they have only no Balls to write with there Main Account and write things like that!
They share only there opinions with a Newbie or Alt Account and write shit with them.
If they would think first and at some stage just dont write anything would be better.
And if they express their opinion with there Main Accounts a lot of Users will see there real Face and acting.

If the rule stays, please provide a better definition of trolling. I literally live in the land of trolls and according to the locals they are just little insignificant grumpy troublemakers but not really dangerous. Living under the bridges and in gark woods.
Internet trolling doesn't have a complete definition so we have to put some borders.

I think we should keep the rule for extreme cases.

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