Topic: [SDC] ShadowCash | Welcome to the UMBRA - page 552. (Read 1289714 times)

This is the Shadow thread, take your XST vapor back under your bridge troll.

Thanks for the kind post Wheat, I appreciate it.

The industry we're in has no form of regulation outside of education. I'm a firm believer that if you're able to pass knowledge over to the next person, it ultimately makes the entire community stronger.

They aren't trying to build SDC by throwing XST under the bus.

Coolstoryteller and longandshort are intelligent people (longandshort may not seem that way due to his Australian dyslexia). They are here to watch projects and technology evolve. They are both very passionate about these things and sometimes let their emotions get the best of them when their attempt to help the entire cryptocurrency community gets squashed by a ignorance and a lack of understanding. They are not your enemies.

I'm an altcoin noob. I probably would have given up on cryptocurrencies altogether after I went all in on Cloakcoin and ended up a bagholder due to blind trust in empty promises. The only thing that kept me in the game was Coolstoryteller. I was a curious noobie, trying to make sense of so much technology in a very little amount of time. Coolstoryteller showed me a few resources to help me learn about cryptography and cryptocurrencies. He showed me promising technology, research papers, developments occurring in bitcoin,etc,.... I'll make it clear that I did not follow him into shadow... The research lead me to Shadow.

So instead of wasting all your time bickering on BCT (which I've watched both of you do all day long), you could be spending your time learning. And one day you may accrue enough knowledge to teach a few newcomers a thing or two about crypto and really make a difference in the community.

I get it. You trolled yourself by investing in vaporware. The truth is out now and you're mad, it's understandable. Don't come here to vent though, this thread is for a real development project, Shadow, which is based proof on delivery. Learn from your mistakes and make better investment decisions that are based on logic and reason - not vaporware.

Neither longandshort, gmaxwell, andytoshi or myself had any financial motivation or gain from this recent vaporware exposure. If anything we've shed light on on investor ignorance, greed and misplaced trust. There are a handful of investors that realized it was vapor and exited the market. I'd like to believe we earned respect from at least one of them and to me that's all the motivation I need.

As a matter of fact I do care. Dev's making promises to uneducated investors results in a transfer of wealth from the uneducated to the educated. The endless cycle of sucking new investors dry never ends unless people like longandshort, bitcoin core devs and myself fact check claims by developers.

My involvement in exposing flaws and claims were not financially motivated.

Tbh, the only thing that needs to stop is your ignorance. You completely disregard the facts and blame others for the actions of your developer. Don't try to blame shift away from the truth. Not one person in that community decided to have that paper peer reviewed before investing to see if it was feasible or not. Now that is either ignorance, greed or misplaced trust. We did everyone a favor by exposing the flaws in that paper and prevented further unnecessary transfers of wealth. You owe it to your parents to stop being ignorant. If you don't to it for yourself, do it for them.

I'm really not sure why you even bother posting anything. All you do is regurgitate information.. honestly, you bring nothing to the discussion other than old posts.. It's like you are programmed against self awareness.

You are here to troll and you're doing a bad job at it lol. You're pathetic. You honestly have no life, you took the time to make a gif to smear ShadowGo because you have a shitty mobile provider. Why don't you call them and ask why they are throttling your account? Maybe it's because you're too broke to pay for a proper plan.  

My "Troll crew" also includes the Bitcoin core devs. If giving a professional opinion on a paper is a troll in your mind, then you are beyond lost and definitely in the wrong space. This entire market is based on peer review, testing and application of new cryptographic primitives.

Bottom Line: You and your mindless zombie cheerleaders are trying to disregard the peer review by bitcoin core devs regarding vaporware promised by XST's StealthSend.

The question required a simple yes or no answer. In your response you've failed to answer the question. Truth is what is effecting your investment in XST, not FUD. Fact: Your dev promised a spec without peer review or testing. That is the definition of vaporware. Btw, wasn't it you who took the time out to make a WWF gif to promote the vaporware. That would make you the only criminal (fraud) collaborator here.

I would never take advice from you, let's just get that out of the way. You mindless trolled this thread because your ISP takes 22Hrs to download 170MB worth of information. Instead of taking the time out to create a gif you could of called your mobile provider and asked them why they are throttling your data stream.

Below is your quote:
"If Hondo runs into a problem with chandran sigs, then he will retool and handle it."

Answer from Greg Maxwell:
[01:38am] bjjb: If this is truly a work of his passion, maybe he will find a way to make it work.  I do appreciate the skeptic professional opinions tonight - they are rare in the trade scene.
[01:40am] nessence joined the chat room.
[01:40am] gmaxwell: You can't really honest effort yourself through something that is just not applicable, and probably not through not knowing what you're doing. ... and you speak of integrity, but launching some speculative asset when you've not done the work?  I don't think that is something that speaks of integrity.

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I'm not here to troll.

I'm here because I'm concerned for your safety as an investor in ShadowCash.

Secondly, I'm just giving TrollsRoyce and his Troll crew some constructive criticism about the way they duped investors at XST into dumping and losing their money.

If you feel that trollsroyce, longandshort, pookielax31 should stop bringing drama to your front porch, then why not tell them?  They are harming your investment in SDC.

I think that you would do best by your community here at SDC, to stop trolling other coins.

If Hondo runs into a problem with chandran sigs, then he will retool and handle it.

Do you think no one ever has run into a wall coding something that complex? Which is a stupid question on my part because we both know exactly why you were trolling XST.

I find nothing ironic in my claim that you and your cohorts are criminals.  

You planned this XST takedown and executed it, causing noobs to panic sell away their hard earned cash.

Guys, STOP ANSWERING THEM. Can't believe how stupid this all looks like. What are we 5 yrs old?

Your opinion is clouded by the fact that you are a large investor in SDC and clearly have blinders on.

LongandShort, TrollsRoyce, and PookieLax31 trolled XST for days.

I'm guessing here, but I'd say they have 500 posts in the last 3 days at XST thread claiming VAPORWARE, Sinking boats .gifs, etc... all the normal troll tactics that scare noobs into dumping and losing their hard earned cash.

That's not criticism. If you think that qualifies as constructive criticism then you are part of the problem.

The difference is Shadow did not release a spec and then give a deadline for that spec. It gave an eta on the release without a spec because the spec changes as a result of testing. Until the spec is finalized it won't be released. That is a proper development cycle and the sign of a team with years of development experience. Shadow's dev won't announce anything until after it has entered the testing cycle.

Hondo released a spec and made claims without testing or getting peer review. This by definition would be classified as vapor. Seeing how logical techncial questions and responses get classified as trolling or FUD on bitcointalk, I would have to assume the definition of vapor here is quite different from the normally accepted one. My view is in-line with the Bitcoin core devs.

Greg Maxwell:
bjjb: At the same time I would argue that Hondo has demonstrated good work ethic and some integrity.  I do not think that he is the type of person to profit like that.  It seems very counter to my experiences with him.
[01:38am] bjjb: If this is truly a work of his passion, maybe he will find a way to make it work.  I do appreciate the skeptic professional opinions tonight - they are rare in the trade scene.
[01:40am] nessence joined the chat room.
[01:40am] gmaxwell: You can't really honest effort yourself through something that is just not applicable, and probably not through not knowing what you're doing. ... and you speak of integrity, but launching some speculative asset when you've not done the work?  I don't think that is something that speaks of integrity.


Shadow is one of the only projects outside of Bitcoin and Bytecoin that has an in-house cryptogapher on the team. The cryptocurrency space is fundamentally built around cryptography. If a project doesn't have access to a cryptographer or one on the team then ultimately the result will be bad crypto. This is the same as running a restaurant without a Chef, sure a microwave would work with prepackaged food, but ultimately the food have nowhere near the level of quality. Releasing any speculative asset as a promise without proper testing is the sign of an inexperienced developer.

Almost everything that was said against Stealthsend can be said for SDCs proposed zk-snarks implementation, its equally just empty promises on a roadmap at the moment, you cant argue against this until its released so don't even bother trying.

I cant wait for this shit to hit the fan too haha

I actually hope is doesn't! but forgive my pessimism..

In the meantime clearly no one is buying SDC anyway.

Thank you for not immediatly falling back to random posts. By the way, we can read just fine, you don't need to have your size on 20.

I welcome any normal discussion, as long as allegations like the onces you are making now are left behind. Take a breath and actually read what people post. In my opinion you guys yourselves have started all this by not properly reading the critisism as posted by LongandShort and just saw it as fud as it criticizes your investment in XST. The only one i've seen giving a proper response to LongandShort was actually your maindev, Hondo.

Don't jump directly to the conclusion that anything perceived negative is fud and your life will become a lot less stressfull.

maybe they are getting a moderated thread?

Nearly feels like it.

XST thread is closed. Is this the new XST thread?

Have you got an ETA?