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Topic: SealsWithClubs.eu | Largest Bitcoin Poker Site | No Banking | Fast Cashouts - page 61. (Read 1404011 times)

legendary
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The Concierge of Crypto
Love this discussion.

During some late nights, ST6 & I have dreamed about 2.0 bitcoin poker platforms.  IMO blockchain-like HH database, private keys for your hole cards (show just 1 if you want) and the cloud-consensus bitcoin-like method to deal a fair deck to 2 mutually distrusting players.

it's the far future, but we'll eventually build it if given enough time.

@Micon, that's my dream. Don't forget to include me in your ST6 or whatever. I did go through the equivalent of BUDS where I am. (The Philippine Naval Special Operations Group is considered the counter part of the United States Navy Seals; they have exchanged trident pins more than once.)
hero member
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it's the far future, but we'll eventually build it if given enough time.

Yeah, that's quite a dream !

Maybe you should look into SuperNet platfrom and NeoDice in developpement. They have similar ideas but on a dice level game. Though, I guess poker is just coding over random numbers !
newbie
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What is the minimum deposit and cashout here?
legendary
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FPV Drone Pilot
Love this discussion.

During some late nights, ST6 & I have dreamed about 2.0 bitcoin poker platforms.  IMO blockchain-like HH database, private keys for your hole cards (show just 1 if you want) and the cloud-consensus bitcoin-like method to deal a fair deck to 2 mutually distrusting players.

it's the far future, but we'll eventually build it if given enough time.
legendary
Activity: 3416
Merit: 1912
The Concierge of Crypto
I found a semi-provably fair method for poker. But it's not easy to implement, and would require a huge renovation of the code.

You see, poker players like to fold or muck their cards. Also you are not meant to see the rest of the deck. But you have to some how prove that the cards you don't see, are actually the cards in the fairly shuffled deck.

You can, of course, easily verify the hole cards that you are holding, and the cards on the table (the flop, river and turn, if shown.)

Dabs, really good point about folding/mucking.  I wouldn't want a method for proving fairness to reveal my cards after everyone had folded to me.  Or to reveal the cards I had folded.  How does your method avoid this issue?

It doesn't tell other players their cards, only yours. Each card has a corresponding hash, and the deck has a hash of it's shuffle. If any poker site does this, they would have to completely rework and revamp their clients and the servers. Or you start from scratch.

I wanted to do this, but it is an ambitious project, and I would need capital investors, or the like. I posted about it a year ago, no one in this forum is interested and has the money. So it will have to wait.
legendary
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I may write code in exchange for bitcoins.
I found a semi-provably fair method for poker. But it's not easy to implement, and would require a huge renovation of the code.

You see, poker players like to fold or muck their cards. Also you are not meant to see the rest of the deck. But you have to some how prove that the cards you don't see, are actually the cards in the fairly shuffled deck.

You can, of course, easily verify the hole cards that you are holding, and the cards on the table (the flop, river and turn, if shown.)

Dabs, really good point about folding/mucking.  I wouldn't want a method for proving fairness to reveal my cards after everyone had folded to me.  Or to reveal the cards I had folded.  How does your method avoid this issue?
legendary
Activity: 3416
Merit: 1912
The Concierge of Crypto
I found a semi-provably fair method for poker. But it's not easy to implement, and would require a huge renovation of the code.

You see, poker players like to fold or muck their cards. Also you are not meant to see the rest of the deck. But you have to some how prove that the cards you don't see, are actually the cards in the fairly shuffled deck.

You can, of course, easily verify the hole cards that you are holding, and the cards on the table (the flop, river and turn, if shown.)
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1081
I may write code in exchange for bitcoins.
Can anyone give me info on the RNG used at Seals With Clubs? Has it been verified/audited by a 3rd party? If not, why so? Any information is appreciated. Micon I know you read through this thread... care to step in? Smiley

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Being able to verify that everything is probably fair would be the only way I'd consistently play at an online poker site for Bitcoin. Idk if it's somethkng with the software they use but it should be fairly easy considering every other successful Btc gambling site can prove their games are provably fair.

This has been brought up several times and although I can't give you details, the bottom line is that you can't use the same provably fair techniques for poker that are used for games against the house. 

As for the RNG, it comes with the Mavens software which is the basis for Seals and has been tested.  It's easy to find the info.

The details would make it actually interesting, though.  At the intuitive level, it's not really clear to me why the technique wouldn't work. You pregenerate key pairs and show a public one before each hand (and show the private one after the hand, then the user could verify that the pub/priv keys do combine to generate the hash which is the basis of the hand).  That's not much detail either, but it's enough for someone to pick up on this and show how I'm wrong.

Oh, btw, sadness.  There is no donkdown that I can find.  Sadnesss.
legendary
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Can anyone give me info on the RNG used at Seals With Clubs? Has it been verified/audited by a 3rd party? If not, why so? Any information is appreciated. Micon I know you read through this thread... care to step in? Smiley

Beefheart

Being able to verify that everything is probably fair would be the only way I'd consistently play at an online poker site for Bitcoin. Idk if it's somethkng with the software they use but it should be fairly easy considering every other successful Btc gambling site can prove their games are provably fair.

This has been brought up several times and although I can't give you details, the bottom line is that you can't use the same provably fair techniques for poker that are used for games against the house. 

As for the RNG, it comes with the Mavens software which is the basis for Seals and has been tested.  It's easy to find the info.
legendary
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I may write code in exchange for bitcoins.
Hey there, it's almost time for the donk-down and I actually have time to play and I actually remembered about it before the start.  Watch out sealsdudes tspacepilot is gonna donk you out.
legendary
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Can anyone give me info on the RNG used at Seals With Clubs? Has it been verified/audited by a 3rd party? If not, why so? Any information is appreciated. Micon I know you read through this thread... care to step in? Smiley

Beefheart

Being able to verify that everything is probably fair would be the only way I'd consistently play at an online poker site for Bitcoin. Idk if it's somethkng with the software they use but it should be fairly easy considering every other successful Btc gambling site can prove their games are provably fair.
full member
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Can anyone give me info on the RNG used at Seals With Clubs? Has it been verified/audited by a 3rd party? If not, why so? Any information is appreciated. Micon I know you read through this thread... care to step in? Smiley

Beefheart
newbie
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Also, a ton of new features in a few months Smiley


Micon, I love ya dude, love your style, love the site, but come on...

The time has come for you to promise less and deliver more.  Don't say that Huh or Seal Team 6 or whoever is working on it.  Just roll something out, then maybe we will believe you.

Also, what are your plans to bring new money to the site? 
legendary
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Newb here.. about to register.. any Bonus + referral available ?  Cool

not unless you find someone to give to chips for registering under their affiliate.

like this guy  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bonus-up-to-100-chips-for-new-players-sealswithclubs-214613  was doing not sure if he still is.
full member
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- 1/2pot button, pot button and all-in button: I was impressed because you can add small blinds with the mouse wheel, but auto calculate bets lets you play on more tables.

- More filters for the lobby: The quantity of players playing now doesn't let you choose so much, but for the future it would be interesting to filter by level specifically for the value of the big blind, not only micro-low-high limits.


I second those.

3/4 pot would be great too
With 1/2 and pot I think is enough because otherwise the tables could be saturated, and you adjust your bet with the mouse. The best option should be to configure it yourself, but also the hardest to implement.
hero member
Activity: 672
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- 1/2pot button, pot button and all-in button: I was impressed because you can add small blinds with the mouse wheel, but auto calculate bets lets you play on more tables.

- More filters for the lobby: The quantity of players playing now doesn't let you choose so much, but for the future it would be interesting to filter by level specifically for the value of the big blind, not only micro-low-high limits.


I second those.

3/4 pot would be great too
legendary
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Newb here.. about to register.. any Bonus + referral available ?  Cool
full member
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Hi, I'm a newcomer to SwC. I tried the site yesterday and I'm quite surprised for the fast cash-ins, and I did not do any withdrawals, but 12h is quite good for me. I was a regular spanish player, and now I'm back to tables after I quit because of a regullation that closed the borders 2 or 3 years ago.
The poker client is good enough, as I played with much worse poker softwares in the past. I didn't check all the post so I don't know if you're already working on it, but I'm gonna say my most urgent actions to improving the software:
- 1/2pot button, pot button and all-in button: I was impressed because you can add small blinds with the mouse wheel, but auto calculate bets lets you play on more tables.
- Auto time bank: For ring games, 60 seconds is a lot of time bank. 30 seconds that refills for 10 seconds every 15 hands or something like that would be great. And you can miss the action just because you forget to click the time bank button making timebank almost useless.
- More filters for the lobby: The quantity of players playing now doesn't let you choose so much, but for the future it would be interesting to filter by level specifically for the value of the big blind, not only micro-low-high limits.
- Show how much money you have all the time in the lobby: I haven't seen a poker lobby that requires to go to a menu to show how much money do you have.

I usually use Linux Mint and I'm very glad you are doing efforts to implement the poker client for Linux. I'm not an advanced Linux user. I know it's very early phase and lots of things could not work, but how could I run the software? I tried unzipping and double-clicking as you do in windows, but nothing happened. At least I still be able to play with the browser client (and windows partition, of course).

And now the gold question (I already checked it and I think the answer is still no): Is it possible to play with HUD?Which program do you use? I only have an old HM1 license and I didn't even tried to import hands to it because I haven't installed the software yet.

Excuse my bad english and thanks for your answers.
legendary
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FPV Drone Pilot
BIG BTC Time in a few, 20 Chip 1k even sooner! 

see you there loyal Seals Smiley
legendary
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FPV Drone Pilot
there is a turn-chat-off feature...

and you can block individual player chat. 

Also, a ton of new features in a few months Smiley
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