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Although salt as a preservative is useful, it's not nearly as reliable as refrigeration and all that salt is a health issue. 


I was using those links as an example as to how I got to my idea, don't let them limit the concept.  Cats are pretty stable, but there are better ways to generate power on a boat.  Solar cells are obvious, but there are also little turbines that you can get for a sailboat that generate charging power from the passing flow while underway, at the cost of some extra drag.  There are also little wind turbines.


No, because most of that is very dispersed, and would require huge fishing nets to get.  And all that you would be left with is plastic.  Everything else eventually rots.


Obviously you didn't read the thread.  Money comes from selling infrastructure services to some yacht owners on the move, many of whom are pensioners trying to save living money while seeing the world in retirement; among other sources.

New Jersey can be forgiven for producing such rough and tumble individuals as Jon Stewart. All we ever got from the moon is some rocks and dim light (and werewolves).

Talk about inhospitable. How do you explain New Jersey? It also might as well be the moon.

Wow, every week the community comes up with some new way to implement or use the technology for more Sci-Fi type things, and seemingly pushes us closer and close to the world of Snowcrash.
Some thoughts:

In another discussion, some people were complaining about lack of government leading to ownership of nukes. I think this idea would be greatly helped by private ownership of such, if not for a privately owned nuclear generator like those on military ships, at least as a source of heat to quickly boil, evaporate, and desalinate sea water. So, another good use for privately owned nukes, but sadly too illegal.

Regarding storing things like meat, why not salt and dry it? Plenty of salt and sunny wind around, usually. Is there a reason that isn't done often on ships? Requires too much drinking water to wash down maybe?

If this is a flotilla community similar to occupy movements, are these boats stable enough to set up stationary bikes hooked up to generators, like they had at the NY protest? It's not much power, but it will keep your electronics charged.

If such a flotilla does happen, do you think there would be much use in "mining" the great garbage patch in the Pacific for raw materials, burnable fuels, or whatever?

As for sat phones, yeah, cheapest option would be to just get satellite broadband for $40 to $60 a month, share over wifi, and use VOIP.

Only major question: where will money come from? Teleworking? Fishing? Harvesting and recycling floating garbage? Rich investor types only? (buying up lots of Bitcoin and making money on skyrocketing deflation?)

Aquaculture.

Seriously though, there are millions of people already who just sail around aimlessly, and plenty of them are flat broke. You know how much it costs to throw an anchor down? Nothin'. We're talking about creating a cooperative doing the same, which would be a lot easier than soloing it.

My suggestions for alternatives were supposed to all not be good ones. I was showing a basket of similar ideas as far as the trouble you would have to go through to exist in them.

Sorry I made the assumption about the independence from the government thing. I thought that was the point. I am interested in how you could effectively use the ocean for food production that would be more effective than lets say in a desert climate.

By the way, I am not too shabby for a novice sailor, thank you very much.

I personally believe that 7 billion is well above the carrying capacity of earth, and the first to innovate and shed complete dependence on farmland will prosper immensely in the end. I could give a rat's ass about the government in the big picture, really.

The counter examples provided are all retarded:

* The moon - is the fucking moon.
* Space in general - might as well be the fucking moon.
* Under the ocean -
* In the middle of the Sahara (yes part of nations, but I don't think anyone would care) - inhospitable
* North or south pole - inhospitable
* Somalia - I like both food and not having my family raped and mutilated in front of me.

This 'absurd logistical nightmare' is the life that millions of people lead already. I don't think you know much about sailing, yachting or boating in general.

Escape from government ihas nothing to do with my perposal, per se.  My proposal is to literally provide for the underserved logistics of those who already do choose to live on boats.

I guess I am semi-trolling as I am asking a group of diehards to explain to a skeptic how such an absurd logistical nightmare could be considered a viable option.

Alternative places to live that face difficulties on different magnitudes of this:
* The moon
* Space in general
* Under the ocean
* In the middle of the Sahara (yes part of nations, but I don't think anyone would care)
* North or south pole
* Somalia (no real central government for the last 15 years, and is a good libertarian example of an economy that works without government) (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia)

If you acquired a large cargo ship to live in lets say, and lived in it, you would still fall under international law, and you would still need to transact with people living under governments and thus would be tangentially interfered with by said governments.

You can live in the wilds of even the USA and still avoid the reach of government. And you will have solid ground, access to drinkable water, farmable land, and trade with outsiders. There have been plenty of people that have successfully moved off the grid and without the likely outcome of meeting a watery grave.

Seriously? You aren't joking or trolling? You can't see the benefit of a mobile city free from all government interference?

Just looking for a short answer to why.

We can go pick up the Sea Shadow for free as long as we take the 100m+ dry dock barge it is housed in. The government has been trying to pawn it off on someone for years now. That is a huge dry dock with displacement for millions of pounds of cargo and a low radar profile stealth ship. Who's in?



e:poor me, I have been away so long I had trouble with my brackets...

Love you moon shadow but no, not reading it lol.

Then you are most certainly not the target demographic.  You may now return to your regularly scheduled lifestyle.

A big catamaran could do this, but only one boat at a time.  Lifting clear of the water isn't necessary, just lifting it enough that it's no longer independently bouyant and then mechanically coupled to the escort ship.

No minimum, because escorting boats that aren't quite independently capable is the point.  One of the primary jobs of a flotilla leader is to keep on top of weather threats, and steer clear of them or know when to tell the rest to drop the plan and run their boats, and which direction to flee.  Just about any weekender or coastal cruiser can cross the Atlantic, if there isn't anything that can go wrong, during the right season.  You don't want to  be trying to get to Maine in November and you don't want to be East of Florida during hurricane season, for examples.  All other oceans have their own storm seasons and calm seasons.  As bad at longer term predictions that meterology is, the daily storm reports are a modern miracle for anyone who actually lives on a boat anywhere near the Eastern seaboard of the US, including the intercoastal waterway.

Because you do not have to pay taxes and join military forces that you disagree with?

why? It seems foolish and impractical to live on the water.

This is, I think, fairly appropriate. http://xkcd.com/846/

What about "drydocking" the smaller boats on the bigger one -- hoisting them out of the water somehow, so they are fluctuating in-time with the "hub."

The other concern I have, is what about storms? Would there be a minimum-boat size requirement, to ensure they could all handle large waves?

or just some mooring whips on the escort boat, big fenders, and a gangplank.

I could do that too, but it's the female that sets the baseline for acceptable cleanliness for both of us.  I'm certain that I'm not unique in this marital aspect.


That would actually work pretty well.  Kill germs like listerine, anyway.