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legendary
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So calling all ICOs bad, would not solve any purpose, instead we will have to educate ourselves to differentiate between good and bad. That will help us in long term!

Yup. I'm not a fan of ICO's at all, but it's actually a great way to have ideas potentially capable of changing the way do things in the world, be granted a chance to develop. If we didn't have a booming market where people and startups could raise easy money, we probably wouldn't see anything change at all.

Sure, most of the ICO's are worth less than the dirt under my shoes, and there is plenty of scam shit going on, but we only need to have one fundamental breakthrough that will contribute to the world in a positive manner. Another positive aspect is that with more token pairs being listed against Bitcoin, the demand for Bitcoin increases as well, so what do we actually have to complain about?

Bitcoin's reserve currency function in the crypto space is a real utility and use case as well, people however tend to forget that. Altcoins and tokens keep a very large chunk of Bitcoins out of direct circulation.
There is no lie in what you have said, considering the fact that most ICOs are worth nothing and they are just a means to tap from people who are inexperienced when it comes to investment in general. However, that does not mean we should discard the fact that there are also some pretty good projects with potentials in the long run and even though they may be small, they are still there.

Restrictions of lower income people from ICOs should not really have been the best decision in this case, but one thing with the blockchain technology is the freedom is there and if a country's policy is not favorable, there will always be countries that will be favorable.
legendary
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i think most bitcoiners just hate them the same way they tend to hate altcoins. "they're all scams! you should be buying bitcoin instead!"
Bitcoiners belong in a whole different category of species. Some times it really surprises me how even the 2011 og Bitcoiners talk as if they are on a whole different level, while they are too blinded to see value in other assets.

Overall, people are free to express themselves how they want, but it would be a welcome change if they don't let their maximalist core block themselves in the way that it works against them.

I remember having watched a video of Richard Heart where he admitted that his anti altcoin and ICO sentiment resulted in him missing out on so much profits, that he's no longer the maximalist he once was.

He was pretty emotional as well while admitting that.
jr. member
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I wish that the crypto community had invented it's own way to regulate ICOs and we didn't have to rely on government clerks like the Security Exchange Commission.
However,it's a good thing that SEC focuses on the ICO  regulation,without a mass ban of ICOs,like China did.
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ICOs will have to comply and meet the requirements, at the moment  there's no watchdog in the crypto circle that has the capacity to regulate the space and it would actually have the clout to do so. So, we're at the mercy of the government and it' agencies as it seems they're only ones that wield the powers to regulate the space
jr. member
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It may well be that this is correct, because with so many scammers, it is better to attract investors who can afford to make such a contribution!
hero member
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at the end of the day: do you need the nanny state telling you what you can invest in? people should be able to avoid scams on their own. caveat emptor and all.

I completely agree with this, but I feel like the problem is how ICOs have been getting away with outright scamming scot-free. I don't mind making gullible people pay for their lessons, but at the same time, crime shouldn't pay.

The US is probably facing difficulties with persecution considering the nature of ICOs, so they're gatekeeping instead. I don't necessarily agree with their methods because it could easily stop the next great idea from being born, but man, looking at random white papers make it feel completely justified.

Either way, it does seem like people are starting to wise up regarding ICOs, so it wouldn't surprise me if the industry entered a renaissance period in the future, featuring non-garbage projects.
hero member
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I wish that the crypto community had invented it's own way to regulate ICOs and we didn't have to rely on government clerks like the Security Exchange Commission.
However,it's a good thing that SEC focuses on the ICO  regulation,without a mass ban of ICOs,like China did.
legendary
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So calling all ICOs bad, would not solve any purpose, instead we will have to educate ourselves to differentiate between good and bad. That will help us in long term!

Yup. I'm not a fan of ICO's at all, but it's actually a great way to have ideas potentially capable of changing the way do things in the world, be granted a chance to develop. If we didn't have a booming market where people and startups could raise easy money, we probably wouldn't see anything change at all.

i actually think ICOs are great---if only because they allow unregulated securities trading regardless of what regulators want. i think most bitcoiners just hate them the same way they tend to hate altcoins. "they're all scams! you should be buying bitcoin instead!"

i don't see a good reason to hate ICOs unless you hate the very idea of companies raising money in exchange for investment. there have been endless scams in the startup/pink sheet space. the ICO space is no different. high risk, high return investment.

at the end of the day: do you need the nanny state telling you what you can invest in? people should be able to avoid scams on their own. caveat emptor and all.

The biggest development here appears to be the SEC limiting ICO token purchases to only accredited investors who make more than $100k per year or have a net worth of $1 million usd.

it wasn't really a new development. the securities act covered this many decades ago. the sticking point here is that ICO operators thought they could have investors simply "click a box" indicating residency and accredited investor status rather than actually verifying whether investors qualified the ICO for non-registration.

i believe a few ICOs did it the right way, with significant due diligence and identity verification. blockstack comes to mind.

Essentially what the SEC has done here is limit ICOs from being sold to the poor, which is one of the main initiatives that fueled its growth in the 1st place.

if ICOs register their security offering with the SEC, i don't think that's true. most ICO operators simply never registered and argued they fit the "accredited investor" exemption.
full member
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I believe blockchain technology is freedom and we have to support this freedom from government and financial regulatory agency.


I seconded, but the reality is so different from our expectations. We are living in a society that is governed by too much greedy and inconsiderable humans in the position. If SEC isn't used for this controlling agency's and pressured from the banking sectors then the intention can be taken lightly for ICO’s investor protection.

Blockchain means FREEDOM
legendary
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So calling all ICOs bad, would not solve any purpose, instead we will have to educate ourselves to differentiate between good and bad. That will help us in long term!

Yup. I'm not a fan of ICO's at all, but it's actually a great way to have ideas potentially capable of changing the way do things in the world, be granted a chance to develop. If we didn't have a booming market where people and startups could raise easy money, we probably wouldn't see anything change at all.

Sure, most of the ICO's are worth less than the dirt under my shoes, and there is plenty of scam shit going on, but we only need to have one fundamental breakthrough that will contribute to the world in a positive manner. Another positive aspect is that with more token pairs being listed against Bitcoin, the demand for Bitcoin increases as well, so what do we actually have to complain about?

Bitcoin's reserve currency function in the crypto space is a real utility and use case as well, people however tend to forget that. Altcoins and tokens keep a very large chunk of Bitcoins out of direct circulation.
legendary
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1 - I refuse to use the term investor - to invest in something there actually has to be something to invest in, not just a sham website like most ICOs.

There are three things that sells in this world,

1. Product
2. Services
3. Idea

ICOs belong to the third category. If an idea is powerful, it will make its mark even if you don't want it, just like bitcoin. Bitcoin is an excellent use case on how a brilliant idea can sell without any promotion. You can very easily invest in products and services, but it is very hard to invest in ideas! So such kind of investment are not meant for faint hearted  people, they should stay away from such risky venture! But if a person knows how to differentiate between a scam ICO and a good ICO, he will be able to make a fortune out of it.

It's true that we have seen many scam ICOs in past few years, but we have also seen a number of successful ICOs at the same time. So calling all ICOs bad, would not solve any purpose, instead we will have to educate ourselves to differentiate between good and bad. That will help us in long term!
sr. member
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Are we going to give in as sec is bend in bringing icos down. Some of us are to speak out about any attempt to bring cryptocurrencies under governments control.  I believe blockchain technology is freedom and we have to support this freedom from government and financial regulatory agency.
jr. member
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The media claims this regulation will increase growth. We could see the opposite with ICOs now being restricted from selling tokens to lower income demographics. Essentially what the SEC has done here is limit ICOs from being sold to the poor, which is one of the main initiatives that fueled its growth in the 1st place.

I think this a good thing. The majority of people who spend money on ICOs1 are from poorer demographics and/or the developing world. These people are easier to take advantage of, which is exactly what 99% of ICOs are aiming to do. I have little time or sympathy for these people who willingly throw their money away on such obvious scams, but at the same time, all they are doing is making scammers richer and making themselves poorer. ICOs make the whole of crypto look like a scam to the outside world - the sooner we can clamp down on all these scam ICOs, the better.



1 - I refuse to use the term investor - to invest in something there actually has to be something to invest in, not just a sham website like most ICOs.

I like the role the SEC is playing to put these guys under checks. It will force mostly serious projects to reach out to the SEC before their ICO, thus presenting a real team, and opening their books to the SEC. This will limit the number of exit scams we have out there in the space. The fear of the SEC coming after them should they flout the rules of the regulations governing them will put them under checks.

The only downside to this is that low income earners like me will be edged out from investing in ICOs as it'll be a tad difficult to make it into the list as an accredited investor.
legendary
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The media claims this regulation will increase growth. We could see the opposite with ICOs now being restricted from selling tokens to lower income demographics. Essentially what the SEC has done here is limit ICOs from being sold to the poor, which is one of the main initiatives that fueled its growth in the 1st place.

I think this a good thing. The majority of people who spend money on ICOs1 are from poorer demographics and/or the developing world. These people are easier to take advantage of, which is exactly what 99% of ICOs are aiming to do. I have little time or sympathy for these people who willingly throw their money away on such obvious scams, but at the same time, all they are doing is making scammers richer and making themselves poorer. ICOs make the whole of crypto look like a scam to the outside world - the sooner we can clamp down on all these scam ICOs, the better.



1 - I refuse to use the term investor - to invest in something there actually has to be something to invest in, not just a sham website like most ICOs.
legendary
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Hundreds of startups that did token sales are finding out they’re in violation of securities law— including many that were sure they did it the right way.

During the past few months, the Securities and Exchange Commission has significantly widened its crackdown on certain initial coin offerings, putting hundreds of cryptocurrency startups at risk.

The SEC sent out a slew of initial information-seeking subpoenas at the start of 2018. Now the agency has returned to many of those companies, and subpoenaed many more—focusing on those that failed to properly ensure they sold their token exclusively to accredited investors.

The agency is exerting pressure on many of those companies to settle their cases. In response, dozens of companies have quietly agreed to refund investor money and pay a fine. But many startups that have been subpoenaed say they are left in the dark struggling to satisfy the SEC’s demands, and are uncertain of how others are handling it, according to conversations with more than 15 industry sources as part of a joint investigation by Yahoo Finance and Decrypt.

The sources, many of whom are employees of companies that were subpoenaed by the SEC or are attorneys for those companies, requested anonymity, because the SEC restricts them from discussing the matter.


ICO funding, which began in 2014, exploded in popularity last year as an alternative method to fund a cryptocurrency startup, rather than the traditional venture capital route. In an ICO, a startup sells its own digital token, typically for later use in the ecosystem the startup plans to build; buyers pay for the token in the cryptocurrencies bitcoin or ether. In the majority of cases, companies that do ICOs have not yet launched any product. Think of an ICO as buying chips for use in a casino that hasn’t been built yet.

It is hard to say precisely how many ICOs occurred during the past four years. ICO Alert says it has tracked more than 5,000 but publicly displays only 3,400 “legitimate” ones. CoinDesk, a leading bitcoin trade publication, lists only 800 in the past two years. More than $20 billion has been raised in ICOs to date, but the ICO boom peaked in January 2018. Concerns over the legality of token sales have had a chilling effect.

The core issue now for every company that did an ICO: Was its “token” a security? And if it was, did the company register its offering with the SEC, or ensure that it qualified for an exemption?  

Many of the companies that did ICOs called their offering something else, such as a “utility token” or a “SAFT” (Simple Agreement for Future Tokens, an ICO method in which investors buy a reservation for tokens yet to be launched), but the SEC does not care about those labels. It weighs each ICO on a case-by-case basis.

In July 2017, the SEC announced that it viewed the tokens offered by The DAO, an ICO that raised more than $150 million in 2016, as securities. Then, at a Senate hearing in February, SEC Chairman Jay Clayton said, “I believe every ICO I’ve seen is a security.”

William Hinman, the SEC’s director of corporation finance, provided further clarity in June at Yahoo Finance’s All Markets Summit when he said ether does not appear to be a security, but suggested that most ICOs are securities offerings, and that, “calling the transaction an initial coin offering, or ‘ICO,’ or a sale of a ‘token,’ will not take it out of the purview of the U.S. securities laws.”

Any U.S. company offering a security must register its offering with the SEC, or qualify for an exemption. Amid the ICO boom, virtually none have registered a security offering. Thus, they must meet an exemption. The SEC exemptions include selling only to investors outside the U.S., or selling only to accredited investors, which are individuals with income higher than $200,000 in each of the past two years or a minimum net worth of $1 million.

Ensuring that investors are fully accredited requires, as the SEC spells out plainly, “reviewing documentation, such as W-2s, tax returns, bank and brokerage statements, credit reports and the like.” In other words, it involves a lot more than just checking a box.

Many companies that thought they did properly limit their ICO to accredited investors are now finding out that in the eyes of the SEC, they didn’t.

Robert Cohen, chief of the cyber unit in the SEC’s enforcement division, likens it to a spectrum. When the SEC calls up a company that did an ICO and asks how the company limited its ICO to certain investors, “Some companies tell us the name of the law firm that advised them, explain the know-your-customer procedures they followed, and show us an investor list that is limited to accredited investors,” he says. “At the other end of the spectrum, some point to a website statement about limiting the ICO to some investors, and possibly checkboxes, and that’s it.”

Some of the people particularly surprised to be in trouble are those who did their ICO as a SAFT, a designation that was intended specifically to be more compliant with securities law.

But some onlookers have little sympathy. Cardozo Law School professor Aaron Wright, who co-authored a paper that questioned the legality of the SAFT model, says, “There could have been other ways they could have structured it, like selling a digital good to people who actually wanted to use it, instead of predominately to speculative investors. They could have talked to the SEC first. I think the law was pretty clear that if you sell something to an investor, it’s likely a security—folks just wanted to engage in token sales, so they just kind of flouted it.”

In December 2017, the SEC shut down the $15 million ICO of a startup called Munchee and forced the company to refund the buyers. Munchee had advertised that its token would go up in value; promises of financial returns are a red flag for the SEC.

In January 2018, the SEC shut down the ICO of AriseBank, which had raised $600 million of a $1 billion goal, for falsely stating it had bought an FDIC-insured bank. In April 2018, the SEC shut down the $32 million ICO of Centra, which had been promoted by boxer Floyd Mayweather and rapper DJ Khaled, for using “misleading marketing” and “paid celebrities” to make false claims. Last month, the SEC charged TokenLot, which called itself an “ICO Superstore,” with being an unregistered broker-dealer, and charged Crypto Asset Management (CAM) with false marketing and being an unregistered investment company.


Those are just some examples that the SEC announced publicly.

Behind closed doors, many more negotiations are underway. The SEC has gotten dozens of ICOs to refund buyers and pay a fine, simply by reaching out and asking questions.

When the SEC reaches out to companies that did an ICO, it is usually through the company’s law firm. The SEC requests a vast trove of documents related to the ICO. Yahoo Finance and Decrypt have obtained communication that the law firm Cooley, which represented many ICOs, sent to one client after an SEC subpoena. The attorney letter warns, “The SEC is likely examining whether [client] should be considered a security under the U.S. federal securities laws… For the purposes of this preservation hold, ‘document’ is defined very broadly.”

Such language is leading many companies to refund their ICOs rather than attempt a legal fight. As one source at a company that got subpoenaed says, “The last thing we want is a press release they put out with only our name on it.”

Refunding tokens
The Fan-Controlled Football League (FCFL), the first ICO to be listed on the mainstream crowdfunding platform Indiegogo (through a partnership with MicroVentures), is one example. FCFL raised $5.2 million last year. In August of this year, MicroVentures quietly returned the money to the initial buyers.

There’s just one problem with refunding. If an ICO gathered the proper information on its buyers, and hadn’t yet launched its token, returning the money is doable. But for ICOs that have launched their token, refunding is not so simple.

“It’s not even really possible,” says Jony Levin, CEO of Chainalysis. “In a lot of cases people bought tokens in ICOs through exchange accounts at places like Kraken. So you can’t just send tokens back to the address you got them from, because that’s an exchange address. If ICOs are made to refund buyers, it will have to be similar to the Mt. Gox case: you make a public announcement and people have to prove they were a contributor.”

As a way to pacify the SEC, some ICOs are attempting to convert their utility token to a security token. Iconomi, which raised more than $10 million in an ICO, is one example. In a blog post this month, Iconomi wrote that its token holders, “will be able to exchange their ICN tokens for tokenized shares in a joint-stock company presented as eICN tokens. This new structure brings legal clarity for all stakeholders.”

Filecoin, Blockstack, Props, Origin, and TrustToken, the five ICOs that have listed on the platform CoinList, all sold only to accredited investors, and none have launched their actual token yet. A source close to Blockstack says the company sees its token as a utility, but out of caution, chose to treat it like a security and comply with all the relevant securities laws.

“Right now it feels like a massive canyon”

All of this SEC action may sound like very bad news for ICOs, but many in the industry have a more optimistic take: regulatory clarity will bring growth. In addition, more and more companies considering a token sale are now reaching out to the SEC proactively.

“I do think that businesses on the up-and-up can navigate through it, and that in just two or three years we’ll have clarity, and we’ll look back on this time as a speed bump,” says the CEO of a well-known tech company who has closely watched the ICO space. “Of course, if you’re a company that is dealing with an SEC subpoena, right now it doesn’t feel like a speed bump, right now it feels like a massive canyon.”

The lingering lack of clarity has driven a group of crypto companies, led by Ripple, to hire D.C. lobbyists to push Congress on behalf of the industry.

From the SEC’s perspective, there is no lack of clarity. The sniff tests are the same as they have been for decades. The SEC is applying the same securities laws to ICOs that it always applies.

“Everybody’s holding their breath for the SEC to create some kind of coin rule, and they’re not going to,” says a securities attorney at one high-profile Silicon Valley firm. “They’re applying the same laws, the same statutes, the same rules, to stocks and bonds and everything else.”

In other words, there’s even a lack of clarity around whether there is a lack of regulatory clarity.

https://decryptmedia.com/2018/10/10/sec-tightens-the-noose-on-ico-funded-startups/

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The biggest development here appears to be the SEC limiting ICO token purchases to only accredited investors who make more than $100k per year or have a net worth of $1 million usd.

2nd biggest development is this form of regulation cracking down on ICOs likely only taking place inside the united states. Europe, asia, africa and other nations will probably get a free pass with these limits only being imposed upon americans.

The media claims this regulation will increase growth. We could see the opposite with ICOs now being restricted from selling tokens to lower income demographics. Essentially what the SEC has done here is limit ICOs from being sold to the poor, which is one of the main initiatives that fueled its growth in the 1st place.
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