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legendary
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November 29, 2023, 11:14:01 AM
https://cointelegraph.com/news/what-next-binance-changpeng-cz-zhao
"Zhao was released under a $175 million bond that requires him to return to the U.S. 14 days before his sentencing date, which is scheduled for Feb. 24, 2024. In his comments, Stark noted that Judge Richard Jones is expected to consider the government’s motion on Nov. 27, possibly strengthening the bail requirements through additional bond conditions or delaying a decision."
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I think that CZ will still pay off with a lot of money. And if you are wondering who will be in charge in the US market, then look at who BlackRock is investing in.
The correct answer is Coinbase!
legendary
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November 29, 2023, 09:08:24 AM
CZ stepping down as the CEO by no means tells that Binance's future is dark or the exchange will be less popular as time goes on. This is not going to happen in my opinion. It is not easy to shut down binance worldwide when it is the most liquid exchange at the moment. Also, I don't think the Blackrock or others may overcome binance, outside the US binance market is too much strong.

Well, I don't know whether we have any reliable source of info on Binance actual liquidity, but media have been reporting on customers pulling out around $1 billion of assets after the announcement of the settlement was made.
I think Binance has been managed very well so far, with no evidence of them pulling any stunts like fractional reserves banking or similar things. But the agreed penalty is huge and we don't know what payment arrangements have been made. I'd imagine the payments would be spread over longer time, but the impact could still be crippling if the customers get spoofed and the volume drops significantly.
On top of that, as discussed earlier in this thread, Binance have not only had problems in the US but also in multiple other countries as well, so we don't know if there will be any further penalties and if Binance will ever return to markets they had to pull back from.
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November 29, 2023, 02:15:48 AM
The story can be considered complete, close the topic

The story isn't completed yet. The media wants us to see only one side of the picture where we see that SEC has finally sued CZ and he is no longer the CEO but was this game between Binance VS SEC  OR  CZ vs SEC ?

CZ stepping down as the CEO by no means tells that Binance's future is dark or the exchange will be less popular as time goes on. This is not going to happen in my opinion. It is not easy to shut down binance worldwide when it is the most liquid exchange at the moment. Also, I don't think the Blackrock or others may overcome binance, outside the US binance market is too much strong.
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November 27, 2023, 05:20:06 PM
sec wins!

after the battle they had over ripple which they lost I thought they would lose this one for sure.
I don't know what you mean by the SEC wins. Although, CZ pleaded guilty to money laundry but his hearing is still tomorrow and that's why he was told to remain in the US before he sought permission to travel which I don't know if he was granted permission.


Well CZ plead guilty so he lost as he is guilty
that would mean the sec wins.

When a government agency is going after you and you plead guilty most people would say the government win and the plaintiff loses.

CZ is a convicted criminal by his own admission.

Does this mean I think he is bad evil etc. No it means he lost the case.
You have a point but I believe he pleaded guilty just to waive the right to a trial but the lawsuit appears to be far more than we think because the US SEC's latest statement was that  CZ committed an FTX level of fraud.
What I am surprised about the whole lawsuit is that much information is not provided as to the reason why the SEC believes CZ committed the SBF level of offense.
Having said that, I starting to believe BlackRock has something to do with the lawsuit cause they want to be the major player in the US crypto market after the spot ETF approval.


The story can be considered complete, close the topic
The topic should be closed because want it?
This is a decentralized forum and since the story behind the reason why the topic was created is still in development automatically the topic is not completed.
legendary
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November 27, 2023, 02:24:54 PM
$4.3 billion settlement is one of the biggest settlements in the history of crypto.

I don't think people realise how serious that fee is. It's not "one of the biggest" but the biggest penalty, and not only in history of crypto, but in history of the treasury department. Google is not very helpful on this one, but I believe the previous highest fines were all below $1 billion.
This shows how hard they came on Binance, but also how serious the crypto industry has become, and I don't think the owners of the top crypto-businesses have been prepared for all this.
I wouldn't be surprised if CZ resigned just to see the end of it all and not risk a long time in prison. He still may be subject to investigation, but I imagine the settlement reached indicates the authorities are willing to drop the charges or at least go easy on him personally.
I wonder if this would ever happened if Binance made some big political donations like the FTX did.

Richard Teng is the new CEO of Binance and for sure, when things are run under the new management, we never know how they progress. If SEC stops chasing them, Binance may still come good out of this crisis but if the SEC regulations keep on tightening on binance then I am afraid Richard Teng won't be able to resist much.

I don't see them being allowed to freely compete in US or EU. That looked like a targeted action to remove the Chinese business from being on the top in favour of locally owned exchanges.
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November 27, 2023, 10:02:17 AM
The story can be considered complete, close the topic
legendary
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November 26, 2023, 09:52:58 PM
I don't know what you mean by the SEC wins. Although, CZ pleaded guilty to money laundry but his hearing is still tomorrow and that's why he was told to remain in the US before he sought permission to travel which I don't know if he was granted permission.

If the settlement is reached and it's Binance that will be paying the fees, not SEC, and if Binance will be effectively out of the US (which was probably the goal of the prosecution) and if CZ pleads guilty of (some of) the charges, then it's a big win for the SEC, however, you want to look at it.


It's puzzling how a lot of the major news worldwide are reporting on CZ pleading guilty to money-laundering charges, which is completely not true. As far as I understand, CZ pleaded guilty on a violation of sanctions/restrictions, which has nothing to do with actual money laundering. Violating "Anti Money Laundering" laws doesn't have to mean money laundering.

Some people are presenting in such a way that CZ Volunteering stepped down as a gesture to save binance from all these money laundering allegations which may not be true as it was SEC who put all these cases on binance owner and he had no choice but to either proof himself right or face the consequences.
$4.3 billion settlement is one of the biggest settlements in the history of crypto.



It's a shame, from the customers' perspective, Binance was one of the most solid centralised exchanges out there. I hope they'll survive, although, without CZ, it might not be the same.


Richard Teng is the new CEO of Binance and for sure, when things are run under the new management, we never know how they progress. If SEC stops chasing them, Binance may still come good out of this crisis but if the SEC regulations keep on tightening on binance then I am afraid Richard Teng won't be able to resist much.
legendary
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November 26, 2023, 07:17:36 PM
I don't know what you mean by the SEC wins. Although, CZ pleaded guilty to money laundry but his hearing is still tomorrow and that's why he was told to remain in the US before he sought permission to travel which I don't know if he was granted permission.

If the settlement is reached and it's Binance that will be paying the fees, not SEC, and if Binance will be effectively out of the US (which was probably the goal of the prosecution) and if CZ pleads guilty of (some of) the charges, then it's a big win for the SEC, however, you want to look at it.


It's puzzling how a lot of the major news worldwide are reporting on CZ pleading guilty to money-laundering charges, which is completely not true. As far as I understand, CZ pleaded guilty on a violation of sanctions/restrictions, which has nothing to do with actual money laundering. Violating "Anti Money Laundering" laws doesn't have to mean money laundering.

It's a shame, from the customers' perspective, Binance was one of the most solid centralised exchanges out there. I hope they'll survive, although, without CZ, it might not be the same.
legendary
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November 26, 2023, 07:03:28 PM
sec wins!

after the battle they had over ripple which they lost I thought they would lose this one for sure.
I don't know what you mean by the SEC wins. Although, CZ pleaded guilty to money laundry but his hearing is still tomorrow and that's why he was told to remain in the US before he sought permission to travel which I don't know if he was granted permission.


Well CZ plead guilty so he lost as he is guilty
that would mean the sec wins.

When a government agency is going after you and you plead guilty most people would say the government win and the plaintiff loses.

CZ is a convicted criminal by his own admission.

Does this mean I think he is bad evil etc. No it means he lost the case.
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November 26, 2023, 06:57:31 PM
sec wins!

after the battle they had over ripple which they lost I thought they would lose this one for sure.
I don't know what you mean by the SEC wins. Although, CZ pleaded guilty to money laundry but his hearing is still tomorrow and that's why he was told to remain in the US before he sought permission to travel which I don't know if he was granted permission.
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
November 26, 2023, 06:38:09 PM
sec wins!

after the battle they had over ripple which they lost I thought they would lose this one for sure.
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November 26, 2023, 02:37:34 PM
Wow. This is insane. I did not see that coming.
Are we sure that $4.3 billion is the correct figure and not typing error? Fincen is reporting on $3.4 billion, which is the highest settlement in US history:

I quoted the news, but as I understand it, 4.3 billion is the total amount of fines, otherwise there are errors in many news stories.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/21/binance-settlement-crypto-exchange
"The attorney general Merrick Garland said at a press conference that the total of $4.3bn in fines Binance and Zhao had agreed to pay as part of guilty pleas was one the largest penalties the justice department had ever obtained from a criminal matter."
The total fees associated with this settlement exceed $4 billion, comprising a forfeiture of $2.5 billion, a fine of $1.8 billion, and personal payments from Zhao amounting to about $50 million​​​​. https://crypto.news/zhaos-resignation-and-guilty-plea-a-new-era-for-binance-and-crypto/
legendary
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November 23, 2023, 10:36:13 AM
Changpeng Zhao, Binance’s ex-CEO, represents a substantial risk of flight given his minimal ties with the U.S., prosecutors said.

U.S. prosecutors are asking Changpeng Zhao, Binance founder and ex-CEO, not to leave the country ahead of his sentencing hearing scheduled for February 2024.

In a filing on Wednesday, prosecutors said that Zhao, a citizen of the United Arab Emirates and Canada, should not be permitted to return to his home in the UAE before sentencing on February 23 next year given “the substantial risk of flight posed by Zhao.”

https://www.theblock.co/post/264457/prosecutors-seek-to-keep-cz-in-the-u-s-until-february-sentencing
legendary
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November 23, 2023, 05:50:35 AM
Wow. This is insane. I did not see that coming.
Are we sure that $4.3 billion is the correct figure and not typing error? Fincen is reporting on $3.4 billion, which is the highest settlement in US history:

I quoted the news, but as I understand it, 4.3 billion is the total amount of fines, otherwise there are errors in many news stories.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/21/binance-settlement-crypto-exchange
"The attorney general Merrick Garland said at a press conference that the total of $4.3bn in fines Binance and Zhao had agreed to pay as part of guilty pleas was one the largest penalties the justice department had ever obtained from a criminal matter."
legendary
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November 22, 2023, 01:58:12 PM
Wow. This is insane. I did not see that coming.
Are we sure that $4.3 billion is the correct figure and not typing error? Fincen is reporting on $3.4 billion, which is the highest settlement in US history:

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FinCEN’s historic $3.4 billion settlement is the largest penalty in U.S. Treasury and FinCEN history. 
Binance admits that it willfully operated as an unregistered money services business (MSB) while obscuring its ties to the U.S. and maintaining its most commercially important U.S. customers.
https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy1925

I have my doubts whether Binance will survive that. They already received severe beating from almost every side (I had to move my funds elsewhere due them no longer supporting GBP transactions). Media are already reporting that ~$1 billion of assets has left the platform after the news came out and it's not going to get any better anytime soon.
Unless the settlement allows the payment to be made in manageable chunks over a long period of time, I think this might be the end of Binance. Or maybe they'll just scale down, stay outside of the US sphere of influence and never pay that fee. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

"Binance encouraged U.S. users to obscure their location" - do we have any details on what exactly is this referring to? I find it hard to believe they were openly encouraging US customers to sign up.
legendary
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November 22, 2023, 10:24:31 AM
Recent events are just crazy!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/binance-founder-changpeng-zhao-steps-down-pleads-guilty/ar-AA1kiU5B
"The chief executive of Binance, the largest global cryptocurrency exchange, stepped down and pleaded guilty to violating criminal U.S. anti-money-laundering requirements, in a deal that might preserve the company’s ability to continue operating, according to court documents.

Changpeng Zhao appeared in Seattle federal court Tuesday and entered his plea, according to court records. Prosecutors accused Binance, which Zhao owns, of facilitating transactions with sanctioned groups. Binance encouraged U.S. users to obscure their location so the firm could avoid complying with U.S. anti-money-laundering laws, prosecutors said.

Binance pleaded guilty and agreed to pay fines totaling $4.3 billion, which includes amounts to settle civil allegations made by regulators."

Historical tweet CZ
https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status/1727063503125766367


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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/binance-to-make-complete-exit-from-us-pay-billions-to-fincen-ofac-on-top-of-doj-settlement/ar-AA1kjszk
Crypto exchange Binance will leave the U.S., pay billions in fines and appoint a monitor for five years to settle charges with the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) and Office of Foreign Asset Control (OFAC), the U.S. Treasury Department's money laundering and sanctions watchdogs, according to press releases shared Tuesday.

https://twitter.com/JohnReedStark/status/1727087727751864436
"Looking Ahead

This plea agreement strikes me as robust, onerous and is certainly unprecedented in the cryptoverse.

The question is not just whether Binance can survive the litany of extraordinary conditions of the monitoring provisions -- there's a lot more to ponder.  

For example, I am wondering whether any person will want to do business with Binance when the U.S. Department of Justice and the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network of the U.S. Treasury Department may have unfettered access, 24-7, 365 days a year, to Binance customer information. That sort of exposure seems anathema to the crypto ethos of libertarian financial transactions.

Only time will tell. More info and pleadings to follow friends."



https://twitter.com/JohnReedStark/status/1727323605665546497
"Why The Binance DOJ/FinCEN/CFTC Actions Are a Huge SEC Victory (Even Though the SEC Was AWOL From the Plea Party)"

4 Billion Smiley

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November 22, 2023, 10:03:38 AM
#99
Just in case, I will withdraw all funds from there. I feel restless somehow reading the latest news
legendary
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November 22, 2023, 09:41:59 AM
#98
https://www.scmp.com/tech/tech-trends/article/3242298/us-justice-department-seeking-more-us4-billion-binance-end-criminal-case
"US Justice Department is seeking more than US$4 billion from Binance to end criminal case
Negotiations between the Justice Department and Binance include the possibility that its founder Changpeng Zhao would face criminal charges in the US
The agreement seeks to strike a balance that would allow Binance to continue operating, rather than risk a collapse that could cause negative fallout for markets

However, Binance would likely be expected to pay more than US$4 billion, which would be one of the largest-ever penalties in a criminal cryptocurrency case."
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The US government wants to return the money that Binance took from American hamsters Smiley
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September 28, 2023, 06:01:48 AM
#97
What happens to Binance will have immense implications for the crypto industry because the exchange is so big. Industry players and watchers say other exchanges would fill the void if Binance were to collapse. But in the short term, liquidity in the market could evaporate, driving the price of tokens sharply down."
I have already known this and that is why I advocate that people should stop spreading FUD against Binance. I understand that many people do not like CZ and his binance but we should manage the situation because if anything happens Binance, it will affect the larger crypto industry.
As bitcoin is to cryptocurrency, that is how Binance is to CEXs. Many are afraid of Binance dominance of the market and yet it is happening right in our presence.
legendary
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September 28, 2023, 05:20:20 AM
#96
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/the-worlds-biggest-crypto-firm-is-melting-down/ar-AA1hhv3b
"Binance now handles about half of all trades where cryptocurrencies are directly bought and sold, down from about 70% at the start of the year, according to data provider Kaiko.

What happens to Binance will have immense implications for the crypto industry because the exchange is so big. Industry players and watchers say other exchanges would fill the void if Binance were to collapse. But in the short term, liquidity in the market could evaporate, driving the price of tokens sharply down."

but do not forget that the US Department of Justice is still investigating the Binance exchange and the main charges and fines have not yet been brought.
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