Topic: Second chance for mixers? - page 4. (Read 1916 times)
It's funny to read your naive comments. The era of mixers is long gone. What are you even talking about? What Trump? Mixers were banned not by the president, but by regulatory agencies. No more mixers. No more any second chances for that
There will be no 'second chances' for mixers because Theymos does not want the forum to be seized by Feds and forum users investigated for campaigning for mixers. It has nothing to do with whether the Trump administration might be more friendly to crypto. Besides, the mixers did not do anything wrong in the first place, so why call it that?
I agreed with you based on this..Realistically, Trump becoming bitcoin friendly president doesn't give any green flag to mixers and of a true, there is nothing that changes about mixers because it could be used for criminality. Trump is not going to support what would enhance or increases the rate of criminalities in the country, besides as you said theymos wouldn't want what will affect the forum so even though bitcoin is legalized it wouldn't still give that permission for mixers to be advertised over here on the forum. However, only theymos can decides whether mixers will be promoted here or not maybe after thorough investigation.
There will be no 'second chances' for mixers because Theymos does not want the forum to be seized by Feds and forum users investigated for campaigning for mixers. It has nothing to do with whether the Trump administration might be more friendly to crypto. Besides, the mixers did not do anything wrong in the first place, so why call it that?
That certainly seems to be the case, regardless of how crypto friendly the Trump administration might be there will no second chance for mixers. It looks as though theymos took the step as a pre-emptive move in order to disassociate the forum from mixers probably because of fear it might be sanctioned in some capacity.As for mixers not doing anything wrong, that is true in most part. Most mixers seem to be providing a service to provide privacy for the end user but some were nefarious actors. He made the decision, it seems he will stand by it.
First, we don't know if theymos banned mixer on the forum due to the issues that lead to shot down of some mixers during Biden's administration or maybe he just did it as a precaution because of how strick the government were. For now, there's no evidence yet to allow mixers here until we see how well Trump will treat Bitcoin during his administration.
The OP of this thread should have posted the question in that thread rather than create a new one but I think theymos explained his reason in the first paragraph of his Mixers to be banned thread.
I'm willing to bet 1 BTC that mixers won't be allowed
I don't have any 1 BTC. But I'm completely sure that mixers won't be allowed it and you'll lose me 1 BTC.
If mixers will be allowed, I am ready to leave this forum forever.
All other posts after this one are empty chatter
I don't have any 1 BTC. But I'm completely sure that mixers won't be allowed it and you'll lose me 1 BTC.
If mixers will be allowed, I am ready to leave this forum forever.
All other posts after this one are empty chatter
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First, we don't know if theymos banned mixer on the forum due to the issues that lead to shot down of some mixers during Biden's administration or maybe he just did it as a precaution because of how strick the government were. For now, there's no evidence yet to allow mixers here until we see how well Trump will treat Bitcoin during his administration.
There will be no 'second chances' for mixers because Theymos does not want the forum to be seized by Feds and forum users investigated for campaigning for mixers. It has nothing to do with whether the Trump administration might be more friendly to crypto. Besides, the mixers did not do anything wrong in the first place, so why call it that?
The matter is more than just bitcoin lover becoming the United States president. It has gone to the extent that mixers are linked to fraud.
With this topic connected to a fraud, I doubt Trump Administration would possibly against with it. He will definitely favor whats best for the bitcoin adoption and seeing the mixer tied up to a huge modus or scams, it will not be tolerated. For sure theymos dont want to ruin whats the current market bitcoin is driving now.Mixer has its own purpose unfortunately its just tied to some of the previous scam which likely make it not good in the picture of so called moving forward.
Apart from the fact that some OGs of the forum disappeared into the thin air after mixer ban what exactly is special about mixers coming back ?
Some OGs left the forum because of the mixer ban? Which, since we haven't had direct conversations to know what exactly would have been their reasons of leaving, would mean that there weren't any OGs leaving prior to the mixer ban... Or is there something I am missing?.Uhmm, I think this would be more of having an adjustments in the regulations where the hosting services are done.. obviously, the United States of America. I don't feel like Theymos added the ban as his personal decisions, I feel like he was informed of the dangers of having any correlation with those mixing services, thus his actions. I don't even wanna talk about politics in meta, but Trump is just a ventriloquist acting the minds of the dictators and major investors.
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Dont tell me you believe every said by Trump and you sees as someone that will bring some changes when politician can promise heaven and give hell. Even if it happen that Trump keep his promises we should be ready for more centralization of Bitcoin especially when the FDIC is involved.
Why are you discussing something that is prohibited?
That's because the statement made by Theymos on the last day of last year triggered a question that the OP wanted to straight out.
1. Who are you to question theymos' decisions? If theymos decided, then it must be so. No mixers anymore
I believe the OP wants to know the possibility of seeing crypto Tumbler back on the forum and I don't see bad in everything he/her said which does not involve questioning the decision made by Theymos. Are you by chance Bitcoin anti-privacy?
You seem to be against what the OP pointed out which I believe is normal for a privacy enthusiast to ask.
will theymos consider lifting mixers ban in the forum?
At the moment, discussion of mixers on the forum is prohibitedWhy are you discussing something that is prohibited?
If Trump's administration becomes so bitcoin friendly, will theymos consider lifting mixers ban in the forum?
1. Who are you to question theymos' decisions? If theymos decided, then it must be so. No mixers anymore
You seem to be against what the OP pointed out which I believe is normal for a privacy enthusiast to ask.
will theymos consider lifting mixers ban in the forum?
At the moment, discussion of mixers on the forum is prohibitedWhy are you discussing something that is prohibited?
The quote below says otherwise :
- Mixer URLs will be automatically wordfiltered out, but you can still discuss mixers otherwise. Using link-shorteners or other obfuscation techniques in order to post URLs which would otherwise be wordfiltered is not allowed.
I will sincerely suggest that it's still very early for the forum to deliberate on the ban review of Mixer, because infact Trump is not even sworn in as president yet. So let's just allow him to be sworn in first, and then check out how his policies regarding Bitcoin will be, before (i.e Theymos) thinking about the ban review on mixers.
So, forum will pause all deliberations until Trump is sworn in before the forum will discuss. We just type whatever we want in this space.So, how do we understand? Trump said some good things about Bitcoin and is now considered a member of the community while banning mixers on the Bitcointalk forum was the most repressive measure from the previous US government.
So what should happen to all seized mixers, condemned fouders and developers? Starting with CM, Samurai wallet, Tornado cash...
They would all have to be acquitted of all charges, probably also to be compensated for their damages
If Trump's administration becomes so bitcoin friendly, will theymos consider lifting mixers ban in the forum?
1. Who are you to question theymos' decisions? If theymos decided, then it must be so. No mixers anymore
I will sincerely suggest that it's still very early for the forum to deliberate on the ban review of Mixer, because infact Trump is not even sworn in as president yet. So let's just allow him to be sworn in first, and then check out how his policies regarding Bitcoin will be, before (i.e Theymos) thinking about the ban review on mixers.
So, forum will pause all deliberations until Trump is sworn in before the forum will discuss. We just type whatever we want in this space.Trump promised to support bitcoin and cryptocurrencies. Trump didn't promise to support mixers
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will theymos consider lifting mixers ban in the forum?
At the moment, discussion of mixers on the forum is prohibitedWhy are you discussing something that is prohibited?
Discussion of mixer is allowed given that you will not provide link that will direct user to the website of the mixer. Discussion of mixer in general is allowed since it’s still part of Bitcoin services.
Creating an ANN thread or anything that will promote mixer are not allowed.Check full scope of mixer restrictions here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mixers-to-be-banned-5476162. This thread is good.
@OP although mixer services is beneficial to us but if the risk involved when it comes to legality is high then we shouldn’t dream to bring it back as forum is good without them ATM. I believe @theymos will update the rules if ever there’s a changes without the need to remind him.
If Trump's administration becomes so bitcoin friendly, will theymos consider lifting mixers ban in the forum?
It would be nice if that happens, but I think Trump is also the puppet same as Biden, and he is probably going to be busy taking over Canada, Greenland, Gulf of Mexico, Panama Canal, etc...This all sounds like more centralization and less privacy to me, and I don't see how centralized mixers would get a pass in the bigger picture.
However, I think there is a chance of some new type of decentralized mixing to be allowed in bitcointalk.
I will sincerely suggest that it's still very early for the forum to deliberate on the ban review of Mixer, because infact Trump is not even sworn in as president yet. So let's just allow him to be sworn in first, and then check out how his policies regarding Bitcoin will be, before (i.e Theymos) thinking about the ban review on mixers.
Trump promised to support bitcoin and cryptocurrencies. Trump didn't promise to support mixers 
I read in Babo new year thread where theymos dropped a message about bitcoin performance last year. He noted how unbelievably anti-bitcoin the outgoing Biden's administration was - Looking forward, it's definitely a very good thing that the Biden administration will be gone, since they were unbelievably anti-crypto
If Trump's administration becomes so bitcoin friendly, will theymos consider lifting mixers ban in the forum?
If Trump's administration becomes so bitcoin friendly, will theymos consider lifting mixers ban in the forum?
We may have to see things concerning the use of mixers beyond the US election alone, there is a need to have people changed from their wrong mentality on what bitcoin is, some of them will be telling you that bitcoin was created in other to use it for scam and other hidden online digital manipulations without the government approval on them, but they are forgetting that everyone needs this privacy and bitcoin is fighting it for all, while concerning the lifting of the ban on mixers here, it is left for the admin and the way he sees the fair regulations that surrounds the whole initial reason for the ban to what is at hand as at present.
If Trump's administration becomes so bitcoin friendly, will theymos consider lifting mixers ban in the forum?
1. Who are you to question theymos' decisions? If theymos decided, then it must be so. No mixers anymore
However, in regards to the question O.P asked, I will sincerely suggest that it's still very early for the forum to deliberate on the ban review of Mixer, because infact Trump is not even sworn in as president yet. So let's just allow him to be sworn in first, and then check out how his policies regarding Bitcoin will be, before (i.e Theymos) thinking about the ban review on mixers. No doubt, Theymos has the final say on this forum.
Thanks, that's my humble suggestion..
If Trump's administration becomes so bitcoin friendly, will theymos consider lifting mixers ban in the forum?
1. Who are you to question theymos' decisions? If theymos decided, then it must be so. No mixers anymore
2. Don't try to scare all here with Trump. The forum is multicultural and does not accept any pressure.
3. I am against the return of mixers. These are again farms, bots and scammers who will return to the forum to participate in mixer signature campaigns from their 1000 accounts
It's highly unlikely to revoke something by theymos from my understanding, even though there is no law stating that crypto mixers are illegal still he decided to ban them from forum so it's obvious that he received some kind of threat or he made up his mind that it could ruin the forum that lead a decision of banning their promotions very recently. So just because trump was elected is not convincing enough and it may likely will be back is there is no shakedown of mixers by US governments fora couple of years.
If Trump's administration becomes so bitcoin friendly, will theymos consider lifting mixers ban in the forum?
The mixers ban in my opinion was not on an anti bitcoin campaign. It was because of its links to fraud and money laundering. Of course, we understand that the government where against anything that would prevent it from seeing and controlling people so they had to go against mixers, but there have been cases where some mixers were caught to be a fraud. Mixers were banned to protect the forum. It was kind of like the Jonah and the boat scenario where Jonah had to be thrown into the sea so the storm could calm down.
With Mixers in the forum and the government strongly against mixers, the forum could feel a lot of heat for allowing mixers to advertise here. So the best decision in Theymos's view was to throw the Jonah off the boat.
So even if the new government is pro bitcoin, as long as they still tightening their grip on mixers, I don't think it would be allowed back on the forum.
There is a possibility mixers can be back but they will go through several screening.
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