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Yes, I work for the PBOC and the Chinese Government, and also for the CIA. Do you believe me now? Grin Grin Grin
8BTC is a Bitcoin forum or bitcoin related social network, just like Reddit or Bitcointalk. Everybody could publish everything there.
This is the guy that posted that thread. As far as I know he's not a known Bitcoin figure or enterpreneur. He is not even a particularly active user in that forum (167 posts/replies). It could be a random big blocker, a small blocker pretending to be a big blocker, a BCH speculator, or whatever.
Thanks for the clarification ,these sort of things will create confusion on reading these plans,i know this is going to be battle of power,but i do not want to read through fake news and fake plans as i do not want to mess up my investments because of a mere battle for power.Either way i am not planning to invest anything further unless there is a clarity on what is going to happen after the fork.
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By nature this is suspicious. When money is involved I only trust myself and when something look suspicious, it usually is.
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Why do you create doubt? Do you have an agenda?

http://8btc.com/thread-86823-1-1.html

This is NOT from Reddit this is from 8btc.com, which is owned by BEIJING INNOVATIVE LINKAGE TECHNOLOGY, who own most of the online BTC websites in China.

This is the real deal, not a conspiracy, do you work the GOV?? Is that why you drop the CIA "conspiracy" tag? Note this was posted on a public chinese BTC site, it was not posted as a conspiracy, it was posted  as their public plan to take-over BTC.

Yes, I work for the PBOC and the Chinese Government, and also for the CIA. Do you believe me now? Grin Grin Grin

8BTC is a Bitcoin forum or bitcoin related social network, just like Reddit or Bitcointalk. Everybody could publish everything there.

This is the guy that posted that thread. As far as I know he's not a known Bitcoin figure or enterpreneur. He is not even a particularly active user in that forum (167 posts/replies). It could be a random big blocker, a small blocker pretending to be a big blocker, a BCH speculator, or whatever.

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Now the Chinese already own BTC, given they mine +80%, so in their minds, they're just trying to kill that pesky 20% that irritating them, they want the full 100% and want nothing to do with the 'little people', they want BTC to be a rich mans currency in CHina for the Gods.

You either haven't read my post, you are not understanding what I said, or you are the one that has an agenda. I'm a Bitcoiner since 2013 (you can look at my earliest posts if you don't believe it) and I want Bitcoin to be successful. But this kindergarden battle is really upsetting me.

Even if the fork happens and Segwit2x becomes "the BTC", then there is no way that "they" could control the clients people would use! The only thing that would change is that you would have to run a 2MB-compatible client. Core could publish one. It is only one variable (MAX_BLOCK_SIZE) that is different with the Segwit2x protocol!

PS: I've just translated the first reply to that thread on 8BTC, and if I am not totally wrong, it is someone that is against Segwit2x and doesn't like the OP at all.
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It's pretty naive to believe everything that's posted on Reddit or another dubious forum. I could also post my "masterplan" there Grin Or some big blocker could post "Blockstream's evil masterplan". Would you believe that?

It's even possible that this is really the plan of some hardcore big blocker, but not of the whole NYA group.

And the translation is really bad, sorry.

I am not supporting Segwit2x anymore, but not because of these conspiracy theories. It's because its success probability is extremely low and Bitcoin would suffer the loss of manpower if most Core developers leave it. So it's rational to support Core, for now - and keep your private keys from the fork date until Core has definitively won.

But it's not that easy after a hard fork to "take over" the coin. Core could simply post a 2x compatible client and then continue with their own roadmap (accepting grudgingly the 2x/8MB weight limit), as I wrote here.

Why do you create doubt? Do you have an agenda?

http://8btc.com/thread-86823-1-1.html

This is NOT from Reddit this is from 8btc.com, which is owned by BEIJING INNOVATIVE LINKAGE TECHNOLOGY, who own most of the online BTC websites in China.

This is the real deal, not a conspiracy, do you work the GOV?? Is that why you drop the CIA "conspiracy" tag? Note this was posted on a public chinese BTC site, it was not posted as a conspiracy, it was posted  as their public plan to take-over BTC.

Now the Chinese already own BTC, given they mine +80%, so in their minds, they're just trying to kill that pesky 20% that irritating them, they want the full 100% and want nothing to do with the 'little people', they want BTC to be a rich mans currency in CHina for the Gods.

BEIJING INNOVATIVE LINKAGE TECHNOLOGY

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Regardless if it is true or not, it is just speculation right now. Claiming it is fact just makes it looks like Bitcoin Core supporters are irrational. No need to give B2X supporters more tools for their arsenal. Besides, major players are making efforts to ensure that the brand stays the way it is.
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It's pretty naive to believe everything that's posted on Reddit or another dubious forum. I could also post my "masterplan" there Grin Or some big blocker could post "Blockstream's evil masterplan". Would you believe that?

It's even possible that this is really the plan of some hardcore big blocker, but not of the whole NYA group.

And the translation is really bad, sorry.

I am not supporting Segwit2x anymore, but not because of these conspiracy theories. It's because its success probability is extremely low and Bitcoin would suffer the loss of manpower if most Core developers leave it. So it's rational to support Core, for now - and keep your private keys from the fork date until Core has definitively won.

But it's not that easy after a hard fork to "take over" the coin. Core could simply post a 2x compatible client and then continue with their own roadmap (accepting grudgingly the 2x/8MB weight limit), as I wrote here.

Why do you create doubt? Do you have an agenda?

http://8btc.com/thread-86823-1-1.html

This is NOT from Reddit this is from 8btc.com, which is owned by BEIJING INNOVATIVE LINKAGE TECHNOLOGY, who own most of the online BTC websites in China.

This is the real deal, not a conspiracy, do you work the GOV?? Is that why you drop the CIA "conspiracy" tag? Note this was posted on a public chinese BTC site, it was not posted as a conspiracy, it was posted  as their public plan to take-over BTC.

Now the Chinese already own BTC, given they mine +80%, so in their minds, they're just trying to kill that pesky 20% that irritating them, they want the full 100% and want nothing to do with the 'little people', they want BTC to be a rich mans currency in CHina for the Gods.

BEIJING INNOVATIVE LINKAGE TECHNOLOGY

Domain Name: 8BTC.COM
Registrar: BEIJING INNOVATIVE LINKAGE TECHNOLOGY LTD. DBA DNS.COM.CN
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 633
Whois Server: whois.dns.com.cn
Referral URL: http://www.dns.com.cn
Name Server: NS.EDONG.COM
Name Server: NS1.EDONG.COM
Status: clientTransferProhibited http://www.icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
Updated Date: 08-jan-2015
Creation Date: 23-aug-2011
Expiration Date: 23-aug-2017
legendary
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It's pretty naive to believe everything that's posted on Reddit or another dubious forum. I could also post my "masterplan" there Grin Or some big blocker could post "Blockstream's evil masterplan". Would you believe that?

It's even possible that this is really the plan of some hardcore big blocker, but not of the whole NYA group.

And the translation is really bad, sorry.

I am not supporting Segwit2x anymore, but not because of these conspiracy theories. It's because its success probability is extremely low and Bitcoin would suffer the loss of manpower if most Core developers leave it. So it's rational to support Core, for now - and keep your private keys from the fork date until Core has definitively won.

But it's not that easy after a hard fork to "take over" the coin. Core could simply post a 2x compatible client and then continue with their own roadmap (accepting grudgingly the 2x/8MB weight limit), as I wrote here.
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It's clear the chinese are MF's. Hopefully they screw themselves this way. I don't give a shit about them.
hero member
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Wow they are a real bastards, i have never trusted in 2x fork, but i know that i am going to receive free tokens so i am satisfied with that. Anyway, they are going to destroy bitcoin if it happens, i dont think that the whole community will tolerate this.. But from where have you took this? we dont have any sources to prove that this is real and not any other fud that appears before every fork.
I have always knew that segwitx2 was a bullshit.
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Absolutely ridiculous claim they're trying to make saying they're the real BTC. They're are not, they do not have the community backing them which is really the biggest part of Bitcoin. 

The strategy should be for these people to believe their own Bullshit and for them to dump more money into it. I am waiting

for them to boost the price, before I take their money and run. I will dump all these crap fork coins and buy BTC with it. It is

easy to see when they are pumping these crap coins.... So just wait for the pump and dump the crap. Their strategy will

backfire, just watch.  Grin Grin Grin

I am with you. But how exactly is it easy to spot the pumps?
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That's really fucked up. I picture forks as money trees waiting to be picked up by anyone who has the equipment to do so. Also, I noticed that more and more exchanges are pledging their support on recent forks, which makes me think that there would be a hack that's brewing who's targeting lazy people who doesn't want to do the hassle on claiming their own share of the fork. I guess now it makes sense: the recent forks are orchestrated plans on conditioning the minds of the general public that they'll get more money whenever some group wants to create their version of bitcoin when in reality it's another fiend hiding in the dark waiting to grab these people in the arm if they don't proceed with the slightest bit of caution.
legendary
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All this reduces to is to expect dust attack against BTC and coordinated pump and dump schemes in the weeks following 2x.

That's the hostile takeover that people have sensed already.

It's a good point that the battle is over control of the "BTC" brand, currently worth over a hundred billion.

As for NYA, I wouldn't trust ANYTHING coming out of NY.
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Absolutely ridiculous claim they're trying to make saying they're the real BTC. They're are not, they do not have the community backing them which is really the biggest part of Bitcoin. 

The strategy should be for these people to believe their own Bullshit and for them to dump more money into it. I am waiting

for them to boost the price, before I take their money and run. I will dump all these crap fork coins and buy BTC with it. It is

easy to see when they are pumping these crap coins.... So just wait for the pump and dump the crap. Their strategy will

backfire, just watch.  Grin Grin Grin
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That seems to be a master plan.So,its the same group of members who execute both BCC and segwit 2x but in different names.What a planning to replace bitcoin.

Another important point to be noted is that all the miners who support BCC has already said that they had signed the NYA and they would support segwit 2x if activated.

So,still the chinese are in the game and this time planning for a big strike.

Your assumption seems logical that instead of boosting the BCC price,just devaluing the brand BTC is enough for them.
legendary
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All I know is that I know nothing.
It seems like their plan is already in place with Bcash rising in value !!! Although this could be a mere coincidence !

this has been the plan all along, i don't think all this article is true and i am doubtful about the "insider" thing too. but there has never been any doubt about bitcoin cash pumping the price because of bitcoin's upcoming SegWit2x thing.

it was even speculated multiple times by traders.
you know this is not a new thing to happen in this world either. just this year about 7-9 months ago the same so called "insiders" from Dash community said they have been behind the spam attack on bitcoin and as expected Dash and ETH and a couple of other altcoins were the ones that benefited from that spam attack and their pumping motto was "we will replace bitcoin because it is slow".

the same thing is happening today and will happen again the future.
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Any fork that doesn't represent the user benefit won't be supported by the community. If mining power can be organised to alter the direction of bitcoin chain, then the BTC is dead already. BTC needs to have a community mechanism that represents all BTC owner's voice not even single organisation should control the direction even blockstream. I don't know what the outcome of 2x fork will be but it will be guaranteed a mess for everyone.
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Absolutely ridiculous claim they're trying to make saying they're the real BTC. They're are not, they do not have the community backing them which is really the biggest part of Bitcoin. 
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Who exactly has written this?


One last comment and I bail, all need to understand that Chinese is Tao the "way" and the way don't include you,

Satoshi was Zen Buddhism, and night&dad to the pigs' of ASIA ( chinese ),


Chienese already owned +80% of BTC, so it doesn't really matter, they own it, they do as they wish, and if that includes dissaociating white trash of their BTC, so be it.

It's clear that the majority of the ppl running BTC CORE don't represent the white-west, they have clearly sold out BTC,

Well its good that Zen&Ethereum exist for the west, perhaps that's how this will end, ironically for the Chinese to get stuck with SHA256 (NSA), I wonder how long before they dump that bitch??

Crypto_-Currency is the future, I truly believe in SATOSHI Dream and I wish all you assholes would go create your own ctrypto from scratch,

But as this article (Plan) makes clear its not the code they want or the blockchain/merkel tree, they just want the BRAND, cuz NYC gives the orders and  Chinese in Shanghai are owned by  the Kosher-Nostra.
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==[REPOST FROM REDDIT]==

**** It seems like their plan is already in place with Bcash rising in value !!! Although this could be a mere coincidence !
2X is nothing more than a hostile political takeover of BTC!!!


Thanks for bringing this to my attention, I can see this because BTG BITCOIN-GOLD has already done this, they don't support the legacy block-chain, theyre 2MB they don't read 1MB blocks, so its not really a "FORK", its truly a DUAL Bifurication, at the same time to forks in a road split into a path that doesn't allow legacy bitcoin to in reverse or forward,

So these aren't really forks, but they're really "derailers", that put the entire BITCOIN block-chain into crisis, this and the replay problems should make it impossible to correct also, given that the new "FORKS" don't even use the same data-structures.

So the new forks can tell the sorry BITCOIN people whoops, if you want your money back, you will have to JOIN US, which means as they wish, everybody goes to B2SEG, some can stay with BCC, and of course BTG(bitcoin cash) is just bullshit, but it was allowed to muddy the waters and get people conditioned to "REPLAY" ( double spending and double use of private keys, with no recourse to return to legacy bitcoin ).

BTG will get people furious, but then when B2SEG comes out people will accept getting fucked and accept that BITCOIN is dead, so NYA gets the BRAND, and B2SEG becomes the new chain, and all is owned by NYC&SHANGHAI,

Not bad, not bad at all.

ANother great chinese quote in there
is "Little people don't deserve to own BITCOIN, its was meant to be controlled and owned by the Gods".
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Who exactly has written this?

GONG LI CHONG ( his name U asked ) who wrote this

In a battle, the first to distinguish between friends and foes, in this battle of bifurcation, BCC and 2X are supported by the blockbuster, so they are allies; the other ally is Core Core Development Group and BTG On behalf of the community block. But BTG is too weak, basically can be seen as the Romance of the Three Kingdoms.
It is said that because BCC and 2X are large blocks, will compete in the bifurcation when calculating power, some people claim to abandon one of them. Because the BCC block is larger and 2X is contaminated by Segwit, which is opposed by large block supporters , most of the block supporters believe that 2X should be abandoned and the BCC should be centrally supported . And this choice in the survey was very obvious . Seemingly reasonable, in fact, is the lack of imagination. This also shows that people in the circle of short-sighted, there are fewer strategic vision. I think this kind of person should read the Romance of the Three Kingdoms.
It is foolish and unreasonable to first abandon your allies in a war and face the enemy alone. And in this bifurcation. 2X is the protagonist, BCC although there are many advantages, but still too young, the first supporting role slowly grow up.
The battle, 2X bear the responsibility of grabbing the BTC brand. The BCC because there is already a name, there are many investors in the previous throw away the BCC. BCC would like to directly host the enemy too much, too difficult. BCC in the beginning to locate the retention of the burning ideas in the fire, to prevent NYA has not been implemented. Before the battle did not fail, there was no reason to start the backup program first.
Because to win the BTC brand. Its value is far greater than the BCC prices rose sharply in the short term, only 1X and 2X are eligible to encroach on the BTC brand. BCC's success is still long. And this bifurcation of the war, but have the opportunity to complete the battle, the strategy is not unreasonable far away. If the 2X program fails, then start BCC upper bit too late. Originally two games, only wins a game can be. If you give up one of the fighting in advance, it reduces the success rate of half of the block.
When the real bifurcation, how to avoid these two large blocks of the power of competition for it? Program or some.
BCC and 2X to division of labor to attract different computing power. BCC is responsible for attracting miners who chase short-term mining profits. 2X is responsible for living and fast fast, and let 1X can not be out of the block or very fast. If necessary, can take all technical means. So that the middle faction to fight over, the enemy is a friend, greatly improving the chance of winning 2X
We can make a precise plan.
November 13, BCC start hard bifurcation, the goal is to modify the EDA mining difficulty algorithm, making the BCC mining difficulty adjustment more continuous smooth.
14 , BCC hard points difference to complete. BCC contrast BTC difficulty coefficient should be maintained at a lower level, 0.04-0.07 between the more appropriate. Because the cost of pulling up the price is the lowest.
15 days. In the trading market gradually pulled up the price of BCC. Making the profits of digging BCC gradually higher than digging BTC. Attracting a clear position, simply profit the miners to divert BCC.
16 , continue to pull up the price of BCC. And to speed up the mining rate of BCC, because the block is too fast, BCC mining difficulty coefficient will increase. If you want to attract these floating miners, you must continue to pull up the price of BCC, making the BCC dig BTC has a higher profit. Keep and attract more miners to dig BCC.
17 - 18 to continue to maintain the above strategy, and let miners, Bitcoin users, Bit Coin investors are aware of this strategy. This will promote the market to increase BCC buying. Pull up the price of BCC will be less expensive.
Is why three days in advance to pull up the reasons for BCC prices. Because the strategy from the implementation and widely known takes time.
On the 19th , BCC started a wave of strong pulls from the beginning of the fork. Attract all willing to dig BCC people do not leave, decentralized. The result is only 1X and 2X firm support to calculate their own mining. Firmly support the power of large blocks, which one of the BCC to ensure that the strategy can be implemented steadily. The other all the power to dig 2X, while launching moderate intensity of the dust attack. Soldiers are fierce, who do not want to fight. To fight must win, take all the strategy to win. Do not be kidnapped by morality, do not need morality. Bitcores need to be strong, stable and fast.
At this time 1X block will be very difficult, the block speed will be very slow, and may appear to lose money. The market should panic. BT1 prices will decline rapidly. BT2 prices will certainly be reduced. But because BT2 prices have been very low, the decline should be limited. If calculated according to the weight of the occupied poles. BT2 should be significantly increased; so, digging 2X miners will reduce the loss.
Force attack does not need to force too much to ensure that 1X block is very slow, the most important thing is to last long enough time. If there is excess effort, you can take part of the dig out BT1, dug out on the market throw, and further suppress the price of BT1. Subsidy dug 2X loss.
In the back of a week or longer, keep 1X out of the block is very slow, to combat the confidence of 1X supporters. Bitcoin's experience in this period will be poor, the total price of Bitcoin will continue to fall, of which BT1 part will drop faster. This will force the Core core team to change the mining algorithm 1X. If this is the case, the 1X algorithm has been completely incompatible with the previous mine. This leads to the fact that the Core core team has changed BT1, and this change will make it automatically out of the coin community identity. In extreme cases, it is possible to force BT1 to be changed to POS.
22 , 2X stable out of the block, and mining difficulty was significantly higher than 1X. And 1X block is extremely slow, mining difficulty was significantly lower than 2X, this has been for three days. All mines and exchanges that support NYA are officially announced: 2X is the BTC, according to the difficulty of the board and the height of the block. And urges all exchanges to support this fact. This step must be, the blockbuster in the propaganda than good at social marketing Core Core Group is much worse, must make up this lesson.
Support for the 1X group will certainly not be recognized, so in this period of time will cause BTC brand confusion and book economic losses. But this is the necessary stage, because the Core core group of stubborn to give the bitbell circle had to bear the pain. Well, let us bravely bear it. Wait for it all over. The price of the bitcover will be a ride away. Short time for the loss of the old leeks, are nothing but commonplace only.
The most important thing is that after this battle, Bitcoin regains freedom of development. The freedom is free.

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Who exactly has written this?

http://8btc.com/thread-86823-1-1.html

OP posted the chinese site, can't bots translate??

Chrome (Google) can translate for you, this is normal chinese stuff, they're smart, and they're not playing the game like an idiot dumb white trash guy, they're playing for real to win.

Everybody in China wants to be RICH, while everybody in USA just wants to get laid or stoned.

I'm fluent in Chinese, so if folks here really don't think this is real, ask, ... more than glad to help white idiots understand that they're being fucked.

Note also again, NYA is NYC, which is Kosher-Nostra, and when they decide to CO-OPT the BITCOIN-BRAND, its game-over.

The only way this war can be won is to say FUCK YOU  to Forks, but sadly the MAJORITY of BTC is dumb as a rock, look at BTG,

Bring out your BTC from cold-storage and get your free BTG, you dumb sheep, and guess what it worked, and now they'll make you lazy and you will soon just leave your BTC in these ASIAN exchanges and BOOM one morning you will wake up with nothing.

Make no mistake the kosher-nostra wants it all, they let you mine it, now they're going to take it, but they're going set it up, so that you GAVE IT TO THEM, and then you can't even call that theft.

Just DUMB,
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