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Quote from: franky1 on February 01, 2017, 01:12:31 PM

you think that trolls that dont even run a full node and have been advertised to spam a poll.. has more meaning that the actual NODE count

now you see why im laughing

Nobody was advertised to spam this poll, otherwise it would have a much higher rating. So you're talking about node count as support, and you're laughing? Let me show you something:

My reaction:

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I just pointed out that the poll is 67%. Nothing more (and yes some "trolls", like me, run a full node)

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Quote from: Gimpeline on February 01, 2017, 01:07:28 PM

still around 50% im laughing at wher your getting your 70% from

I try again. Slowly.
This is a poll thred.
Its shows 67%
6..7..%

you think that trolls that dont even run a full node and have been advertised to spam a poll.. has more meaning that the actual NODE count

now you see why im laughing.
you dont even realise the context of the stats.

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Quote from: franky1 on February 01, 2017, 01:00:55 PM

Quote from: Gimpeline on February 01, 2017, 12:51:07 PM

Quote from: franky1 on January 26, 2017, 03:46:19 PM

/Satoshi:0.13.1/   1466 (25.95%)
/Satoshi:0.13.2/   1228 (21.73%)
/Satoshi:0.13.99/   118 (2%)

I looked at the poll... Roll Eyes

67% at the moment

/Satoshi:0.13.1/ 1441 (25.26%)
/Satoshi:0.13.2/ 1316 (23.07%)
/Satoshi:0.13.99/ (117) (2%)

still around 50% im laughing at wher your getting your 70% from

also i noticed 0.13.1 dropped 25 nodes and 0.13.2 gained 88..

lets see if there are ~63 new 0.13.2 nodes using AWS..

I try again. Slowly.
This is a poll thred.
Its shows 67%
6..7..%

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Quote from: Gimpeline on February 01, 2017, 12:51:07 PM

Quote from: franky1 on January 26, 2017, 03:46:19 PM

/Satoshi:0.13.1/   1466 (25.95%)
/Satoshi:0.13.2/   1228 (21.73%)
/Satoshi:0.13.99/   118 (2%)

I looked at the poll... Roll Eyes

67% at the moment

/Satoshi:0.13.1/ 1441 (25.26%)
/Satoshi:0.13.2/ 1316 (23.07%)
/Satoshi:0.13.99/ (117) (2%)

still around 50% im laughing at where your getting your 70% from

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Quote from: franky1 on January 26, 2017, 03:46:19 PM

Quote from: Gimpeline on January 26, 2017, 03:32:14 PM

Almost 70% support to SegWit.
Franky's conspiracy theories doesn't work.
We are doomed Grin

/Satoshi:0.13.1/   1466 (25.95%)
/Satoshi:0.13.2/   1228 (21.73%)
/Satoshi:0.13.2/   118 (2%)

49.68 = ~50 of nodes implicitly.. but far lower explicitly.
also nodes dont get a vote..

pools 23%

so neither pools or nodes are at 70%.
plus if you take away the pools count from the node count. less than 50% nodecount.
yep pools were already counted as part of the ~50%
yep if you excluded pools multiple nodes the count goes down. (so dont imply missing 23% hashrate can add on 20% nodecount. as thats not how the measures work. they are independent of each other and measuring different things(my assumption of how you may have come to your wrong 70% figure))

I looked at the poll... Roll Eyes

67% at the moment

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Dont feed the troll Wink

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Quote from: gmaxwell on January 25, 2017, 06:15:19 AM

Quote from: Lauda on January 24, 2017, 06:24:47 PM

I think that is overly exaggerated. If my node is currently connected to several old nodes, I don't expect that to change post-Segwit activation. However, I know that I may be wrong. I have not looked into it.

Connection behavior is the same pre and post segwit activation. Having the network topology change all at once would be an unnecessary risk.

the topology change has already occured.
matt corallo's Fibre as the green gatekeepers (aka gmaxwells upstreamers) in relation to the left side image of (few pages back post) the network visualised in a simple representation

the diversity recognition and acceptance behaviour can be white/blacklisted pre or post activation (nice bit of sweeping under the carpet word play from gmaxwell).. as jetcash has already proved by banning them already.. does not prove or disprove that it cant happen after segwit release

but topology vs diversity are different things
the diversity post segwit still to be determined after activation, once (cores own words) white listing old nodes (gmaxwells downstreamers) becames a more apparent thing.

i do laugh how gmaxwell makes half a statement to hide the full context

i find it funny how he isnt even commenting about
https://bitcoincore.org/en/2016/10/27/segwit-upgrade-guide/

because he knows the topology is already in the format i mentioned on the left side pic of (few pages back post) the network visualised in a simple representation, and the image in previous sentance of this post

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Quote from: Gimpeline on January 26, 2017, 03:32:14 PM

Almost 70% support to SegWit.
Franky's conspiracy theories doesn't work.
We are doomed Grin

/Satoshi:0.13.1/   1466 (25.95%)
/Satoshi:0.13.2/   1228 (21.73%)
/Satoshi:0.13.99/   118 (2%)

49.68 = ~50 of nodes implicitly.. but far lower explicitly.
also nodes dont get a vote..

pools 23%

so neither pools or nodes are at 70%.
plus if you take away the pools count from the node count. less than 50% nodecount.
yep pools were already counted as part of the ~50%
yep if you excluded pools multiple nodes the count goes down. (so dont imply missing 23% hashrate can add on 20% nodecount. as thats not how the measures work. they are independent of each other and measuring different things(my assumption of how you may have come to your wrong 70% figure))

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Almost 70% support to SegWit.
Franky's conspiracy theories doesn't work.
We are doomed Grin

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Quote from: franky1 on January 24, 2017, 06:52:06 PM

i see too many glory utopian dreamers, and not many critical thinkers.

This has nothing to do with Segwit. The general mindset all around the globe is like that.

Quote from: franky1 on January 24, 2017, 06:52:06 PM

i see too many people protecting the devs instead of protecting the network. even going as far as messing with their network connections to give glory to devs (like the jetcash example)

Anyone can do whatever they want with their network connections.

Quote from: gmaxwell on January 25, 2017, 06:15:19 AM

Quote from: Lauda on January 24, 2017, 06:24:47 PM

I think that is overly exaggerated. If my node is currently connected to several old nodes, I don't expect that to change post-Segwit activation. However, I know that I may be wrong. I have not looked into it.

Connection behavior is the same pre and post segwit activation. Having the network topology change all at once would be an unnecessary risk.

That's what I thought as well. It seems like franky's graphs are in case that everyone (?) besides the mining nodes bans old ones.

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Quote from: Lauda on January 24, 2017, 06:24:47 PM

I think that is overly exaggerated. If my node is currently connected to several old nodes, I don't expect that to change post-Segwit activation. However, I know that I may be wrong. I have not looked into it.

Connection behavior is the same pre and post segwit activation. Having the network topology change all at once would be an unnecessary risk.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on January 24, 2017, 10:58:33 PM

Quote from: deisik on January 24, 2017, 04:38:36 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on January 23, 2017, 10:02:04 PM

Segwit will not be activated in Bitcoin so the big blockers have nothing to be afraid of. One interesting development is in Litecoin. It might be a big possibility that Segwit will be activated there and soon they will have their own version of the Lightning Network. Can one now say that Litecoin is more advanced than Bitcoin if Segwit is activated and they have their LN operational? Will Bitcoin see the light and follow their example?

That would be utterly pathetic

I guess if Litecoin adopts SegWit (and LN soon thereafter), it will be hard for Bitcoin to follow its lead since that would show in the open ~~that it has no panties~~ how corrupt and backward Bitcoin itself is, after so many disputes, debates, and quarrels. On the other hand, it will be more interesting to see how these updates will eventually affect the adoption and price of Litecoin. If everything is okay with updating Litecoin to SW and LN, this can't possibly have a negative effect but how much it could boost the price remains to be seen, though. So we should just watch Litecoin closely as it reacts on the news linked to the actual implementation of these proposals

Utterly pathetic or not it is the direction of where Bitcoin is going. Litecoin will get there first and it will either be treat Litecoin like a testnet or the Bitcoin testnet just became Litecoin's testnet. It will very much depend on one's point of view. But in the end Bitcoin could lag behind.

This is what you think

In fact, this is what I think myself since neither you nor me have vested interests in all this. But this is not how the other guys which are deeply involved in these affairs might look at such things. They have long ago lost their impartiality and now seem to be very jealous of these developments. Mark my words, when SW and LN get activated in Litecoin people start pointing a finger at Bitcoin. Personally, I'm interested in running an LN node (just don't have enough time to study it at the moment), but if the chances are that LN should get activated in Litecoin first, I will look into this coin

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Quote from: deisik on January 24, 2017, 04:38:36 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on January 23, 2017, 10:02:04 PM

Segwit will not be activated in Bitcoin so the big blockers have nothing to be afraid of. One interesting development is in Litecoin. It might be a big possibility that Segwit will be activated there and soon they will have their own version of the Lightning Network. Can one now say that Litecoin is more advanced than Bitcoin if Segwit is activated and they have their LN operational? Will Bitcoin see the light and follow their example?

That would be utterly pathetic

I guess if Litecoin adopts SegWit (and LN soon thereafter), it will be hard for Bitcoin to follow its lead since that would show in the open ~~that it has no panties~~ how corrupt and backward Bitcoin itself is, after so many disputes, debates, and quarrels. On the other hand, it will be more interesting to see how these updates will eventually affect the adoption and price of Litecoin. If everything is okay with updating Litecoin to SW and LN, this can't possibly have a negative effect but how much it could boost the price remains to be seen, though. So we should just watch Litecoin closely as it reacts on the news linked to the actual implementation of these proposals

Utterly pathetic or not it is the direction of where Bitcoin is going. Litecoin will get there first and it will either be treat Litecoin like a testnet or the Bitcoin testnet just became Litecoin's testnet. It will very much depend on one's point of view. But in the end Bitcoin could lag behind.

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Quote from: Viscount on January 24, 2017, 09:06:56 PM

almost 70% support SegWit and only 16% vote negatively. Roll Eyes

/Satoshi:0.13.1/   1502 (26.84%)
/Satoshi:0.13.2/   1168 (20.87%)
/Satoshi:0.13.99/    119 (2%)

nodes: under 50%

try not to include old nodes pre october 2016.. they are not segwit..

pools: 24%

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almost 70% support SegWit and only 16% vote negatively. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Lauda on January 24, 2017, 06:46:58 PM

Quote from: franky1 on January 24, 2017, 06:41:40 PM

so left image was the utopia expectation of segwit being the (upstream) gatekeepers getting the full data from pools and the sending stripped blocks to old nodes.

the right is the vision which includes the blockstream fanboy phsychy

I guess I'm not part of the 'blockstream fanboy psychy' then. Whilst I truly hate nodes that are running outdated code (anything prior to 0.12.x and even those version themselves), I have not started banning any connections based on this. I would expect that the majority of node owners aren't doing this either, therefore the left picture is the more likely outcome.

my mindset is to not idly sit on my hands hailing people as kings. but to test and check things out and know the risks.

devs should have more critical minds.. like the old
"punch holes in it to see if it breaks"
"hack it and fix the bugs until it cant be easily hacked"
"treat it as broken until you have kicked it a few times and it still stands up"

i see too many glory utopian dreamers, and not many critical thinkers.
i see too many people protecting the devs instead of protecting the network. even going as far as messing with their network connections to give glory to devs (like the jetcash example)

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Quote from: franky1 on January 24, 2017, 06:41:40 PM

so left image was the utopia expectation of segwit being the (upstream) gatekeepers getting the full data from pools and the sending stripped blocks to old nodes.

the right is the vision which includes the blockstream fanboy phsychy

I guess I'm not part of the 'blockstream fanboy psychy' then. Whilst I truly hate nodes that are running outdated code (anything prior to 0.12.x and even those version themselves), I have not started banning any connections based on this. I would expect that the majority of node owners aren't doing this either, therefore the left picture is the more likely outcome.

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Quote from: Lauda on January 24, 2017, 06:24:47 PM

Quote from: franky1 on January 24, 2017, 06:11:46 PM

Quote from: Lauda on January 24, 2017, 06:02:17 PM

I'm not sure why this would become a problem post-activation of Segwit?

left = no biased connecting
right = biased connections )where the pools are left to do the sending of stripped blocks to old nodes)
(bar a couple purple lines between new and old i didnt add)

I think that is overly exaggerated. If my node is currently connected to several old nodes, I don't expect that to change post-Segwit activation. However, I know that I may be wrong. I have not looked into it.

well w already know the blockstream camp exaggerate their devotion.. people are actively banning and ignoring nodes that are not part of cores group of nodes
EG

Quote from: Jet Cash on January 16, 2017, 05:52:22 AM

I've upgraded my node to 0.13.2, and I block classic and unlimited nodes.

so left image was the utopia expectation of segwit being the (upstream) gatekeepers getting the full data from pools and the sending stripped blocks to old nodes.

the right is the vision which includes the blockstream fanboy phsychy of intentionally blocking anything not core.. as exampled by some naive people

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Quote from: franky1 on January 24, 2017, 06:11:46 PM

Quote from: Lauda on January 24, 2017, 06:02:17 PM

I'm not sure why this would become a problem post-activation of Segwit?

left = no biased connecting
right = biased connections )where the pools are left to do the sending of stripped blocks to old nodes)
(bar a couple purple lines between new and old i didnt add)

I think that is overly exaggerated. If my node is currently connected to several old nodes, I don't expect that to change post-Segwit activation. However, I know that I may be wrong. I have not looked into it.

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