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Topic: SegWit yay or nay? come vote here. - page 3. (Read 7400 times)

legendary
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January 24, 2017, 06:11:46 PM
I'm not sure why this would become a problem post-activation of Segwit?
left = no biased connecting
right = biased connections )where the pools are left to do the sending of stripped blocks to old nodes)
          (bar a couple purple lines between new and old i didnt add)

legendary
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January 24, 2017, 06:02:17 PM
id let old nodes connect yes.
i just hope the POST-activation release has whitelisting turned off so it auto connects to anything and not having it secretly set as on. and needing those that like to tinker, to have to manually whitelist old nodes or disable whitlisting so that it becomes not biased
whiles those that dont tinker, dont realise they are biased by default
AFAIK new nodes do prefer nodes that have updated to 0.13.1 or later. However, they will eventually also connect to old nodes without any problems. My node is connected to several nodes running older versions. I'm not sure why this would become a problem post-activation of Segwit?
legendary
Activity: 4424
Merit: 4794
January 24, 2017, 05:57:55 PM
i asked you a genuine question before..
when (if) segwit activates, are you going to whitelist old nodes or just connect to segwit nodes and leave it for pools and others to send stripped blocks to old nodes.
be honest. (i dont mean to ask negatively or in any attack i just want an honest open answer)
Sorry, I must have missed it. I don't plan on modifying my node settings unless it is expressively required. I usually do not do that. All I have changed so far is increasing the mempool size to several GB, increasing the dbcache to several GB and increasing the connection limit above the default (125 IIRC).

Why do you ask? Would you do this on your own node?

id let old nodes connect yes.
i just hope the POST-activation release has whitelisting turned off so it auto connects to anything and not having it secretly set as on. and needing those that like to tinker, to have to manually whitelist old nodes or disable whitlisting so that it becomes not biased
whiles those that dont tinker, dont realise they are biased by default
legendary
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January 24, 2017, 05:48:27 PM
i asked you a genuine question before..
when (if) segwit activates, are you going to whitelist old nodes or just connect to segwit nodes and leave it for pools and others to send stripped blocks to old nodes.
be honest. (i dont mean to ask negatively or in any attack i just want an honest open answer)
Sorry, I must have missed it. I don't plan on modifying my node settings unless it is expressively required. I usually do not do that. All I have changed so far is increasing the mempool size to several GB, increasing the dbcache to several GB and increasing the connection limit above the default (125 IIRC).

Why do you ask? Would you do this on your own node?
legendary
Activity: 4424
Merit: 4794
January 24, 2017, 05:38:02 PM
...

i asked you a genuine question before..
when (if) segwit activates, are you going to whitelist old nodes or just connect to segwit nodes and leave it for pools and others to send stripped blocks to old nodes.
be honest. (i dont mean to ask negatively or in any attack i just want an honest open answer)
legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 2970
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January 24, 2017, 05:13:06 PM
blocks should only be rejected if they have bad data. not because of 'brand bias'.
-snip-
You're preaching to the choir. Don't waste your breath on me in this regard.

-snip-
rule 5: just vote for segwit blindly
See, now you understand how you're supposed to roll. Skip all steps and proceed to step 5. Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 4424
Merit: 4794
January 24, 2017, 05:02:20 PM
So you hold it absolutly impossible that someone is in favour of the Segwit-solution, if he has done research and so on ? Do I get it right?

if they have done the research they would rebuttle with actual lines of code and actual scenarios. they would quote the context in a honourable and meaningful way..

but.. all i see is
rule 1: dont talk about segwit
rule 2: dont talk about leaders of segwit
rule 3: flame anyone negatively talking about segwit
rule 4: flame anyone negatively talking about segwit leaders
rule 5: just vote for segwit blindly

Sure you can talk about segwit tech, but not about leaders, blockstream and the usual shit...

i do talk about the tech, but if i mention someones name suddenly the topic meanders into "defend the leader" spam posts, where the tech and explanations get sidelined.

maybe also best that you dont defend the leader and waste time posting stuff unrelated to the tech and spend time reading the tech stuff.. thus everyone benefits.
legendary
Activity: 1284
Merit: 1042
January 24, 2017, 04:53:29 PM
So you hold it absolutly impossible that someone is in favour of the Segwit-solution, if he has done research and so on ? Do I get it right?

if they have done the research they would rebuttle with actual lines of code and actual scenarios. they would quote the context in a honourable and meaningful way..

but.. all i see is
rule 1: dont talk about segwit
rule 2: dont talk about leaders of segwit
rule 3: flame anyone negatively talking about segwit
rule 4: flame anyone negatively talking about segwit leaders
rule 5: just vote for segwit blindly

Sure you can talk about segwit tech, but not about leaders, blockstream and the usual shit...
legendary
Activity: 4424
Merit: 4794
January 24, 2017, 04:49:02 PM
So you hold it absolutly impossible that someone is in favour of the Segwit-solution, if he has done research and so on ? Do I get it right?

if they have done the research they would rebuttle with actual lines of code and actual scenarios. they would quote the context in a honourable and meaningful way..

but.. all i see is
rule 1: dont talk about segwit
rule 2: dont talk about leaders of segwit
rule 3: flame anyone negatively talking about segwit
rule 4: flame anyone negatively talking about segwit leaders
rule 5: just vote for segwit blindly
legendary
Activity: 1284
Merit: 1042
January 24, 2017, 04:45:40 PM
Franky1 must be the BU spokesman, who supplys you with alternative Facts™  Grin

independant research, go try it. its mind and eye opening. you will ses passed all the scripts and actually see whats really happening.

please research
consensus
the code

then run some scenario's of how things will actually play out.
actually have an open mind and dont just play follow the leader.

You know whats your mistake ? You think you discovered the "truth" and all others are wrong. Conspiratist at its best ...
How you can be so sure that you have the "open" mind" ?

Conspiratists are funny people, they are 100% sure they are right and have an open mind n shit, but actually you behave exactly the same like you accuse others to do. Just from another viewpoint.

spend more time researching bitcoin and understanding it. and less time screaming insults to defend someones name.

So you hold it absolutly impossible that someone is in favour of the Segwit-solution, if he has done research and so on ? Do I get it right?
legendary
Activity: 4424
Merit: 4794
January 24, 2017, 04:35:25 PM
#99
Franky1 must be the BU spokesman, who supplys you with alternative Facts™  Grin

independant research, go try it. its mind and eye opening. you will ses passed all the scripts and actually see whats really happening.

please research
consensus
the code

then run some scenario's of how things will actually play out.
actually have an open mind and dont just play follow the leader.

You know whats your mistake ? You think you discovered the "truth" and all others are wrong. Conspiratist at its best ...
How you can be so sure that you have the "open" mind" ?

Conspiratists are funny people, they are 100% sure they are right and have an open mind n shit, but actually you behave exactly the same like you accuse others to do. Just from another viewpoint.

spend more time researching bitcoin and understanding it. and less time screaming insults to defend someones name.
legendary
Activity: 1284
Merit: 1042
January 24, 2017, 04:23:59 PM
#98
Franky1 must be the BU spokesman, who supplys you with alternative Facts™  Grin

independant research, go try it. its mind and eye opening. you will ses passed all the scripts and actually see whats really happening.

please research
consensus
the code

then run some scenario's of how things will actually play out.
actually have an open mind and dont just play follow the leader.

You know whats your mistake ? You think you discovered the "truth" and all others are wrong. Conspiratist at its best ...
How you can be so sure that you have the "open" mind" ?

Conspiratists are funny people, they are 100% sure they are right and have an open mind n shit, but actually you behave exactly the same like you accuse others to do. Just from another viewpoint.
legendary
Activity: 4424
Merit: 4794
January 24, 2017, 04:09:01 PM
#97
oh lauda.. havnt you seen the other plan.. intentionally blacklist known block producers to make sgwit nodes only see blocks from sgwit supporters to get the 95% trigger.
That still won't really cause a 'split'. It would still have a pretty big majority on one side.

the orphan consensus.. vs just rejecting blocks due to who made it. leaves segwit only seeing one chain of blocks and making their own blockheight. where other nodes make another chain of blocks without bias and ultimately having a higher blockheight. because they are not throwing blocks aside

consensus is where the network as a whole end up with just one chain of blocks of the same height

blocks should only be rejected if they have bad data. not because of 'brand bias'.

try running a scenario where gmaxwell mentions purposefully orphaning off opposing blocks..
and see what happens when you start banning certain pools as if they dont exist and then compare the resulting chains segwit see's to the chain the rest of the network see's. it will surprise you.

simply put: if there were this chain of blocks,
ADEBFADBECADEBFADBEC

imagining C is the opposer
legacy sees: ADEBFADBECADEBFADBEC
segwit sees: ADEBFADBE  [halt, unsync from network]

segwit stalls. because the A has a 'previous hash' of C which segwit refuses to recognise. so segwit cant accept A.. or the following blocks after that..

so now segwit pools need to make a block thats has a previous hash of E
and now the chains diverge..
legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 2970
Terminated.
January 24, 2017, 04:02:58 PM
#96
lol those running full nodes are wanting the information about the network .. and they deserve to know.
I was not talking about those people.

yea a couple million litenode/webwallet average joe users dont need to know because they have no intention to secure the network. but that does not mean sweeping things under the carpet and hiding the truth with wishy washy meaningless buzzwords to confuse people.
I was never stating that the truth should be hidden nor should thing be swept under the carpet. All I said that the average joe doesn't need to be burdened with the technical details. This doesn't mean that information should be withheld by them.

oh lauda.. havnt you seen the other plan.. intentionally blacklist known block producers to make sgwit nodes only see blocks from sgwit supporters to get the 95% trigger.
That still won't really cause a 'split'. It would still have a pretty big majority on one side.

Franky1 must be the BU spokesman, who supplys you with alternative Facts™  Grin
independant research, go try it. its mind and eye opening. you will ses passed all the scripts and actually see whats really happening.
Some comedy from people attacking each other in here. Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 1284
Merit: 1042
January 24, 2017, 03:58:59 PM
#95

/Satoshi:0.13.1/   1512 (26.84%)
/Satoshi:0.13.2/   1165 (20.68%)
/Satoshi:0.13.99/   116 (2%)


/Satoshi:0.13.1/   1528 (26.84%)
/Satoshi:0.13.2/   1183 (20.78%)
/Satoshi:0.13.99/   117 (2%)

and minutes later

/Satoshi:0.13.1/   1524 (26.74%)
/Satoshi:0.13.2/   1183 (20.75%)
/Satoshi:0.13.99/   117 (2%)

wow it moves under 1% in a day.. and wow it goes up and down...
how about calm down and look at the long scale changes.. instead of celebrating at the 0.1% increases.. it make you look silly.

Let it be 0,5% per day on avarage, thats 15% in a month... pretty awesome imho !  

Now lets look at BU ... ok never mind.
Ah and dont forget (sorry I have to use your words, but this explains it pretty good): ~7% are BU supporting whether they realise it or not.. yep 7% implicitly, but an unknown number below 7% explicitly.
the difference between implicit and explicit terms is that some people upgrade just because they see something new and shiny but dont understand whats 'under the hood'. so its not ~7% full knowledge explicit desire. it's less...
legendary
Activity: 4424
Merit: 4794
January 24, 2017, 03:57:36 PM
#94
shame so many people get soo emotional just because i mentioned a name, so much so that they ignore the code and logic and context of the enitre conversation and just defend someones name.. lol.
newbie
Activity: 3
Merit: 0
January 24, 2017, 03:55:07 PM
#93
gmaxwell is part of the new world order and he controll the internett..
franky1's conspiracy theories incomming in 3..2...1  Grin

exaggerating what i have said to such an extent that you make yourself look silly instead of showing proof that gmaxwell isnt actually trying to change things.

how about try reading things rationally and logically.
oh and please dont throw in the "gigabyte by midnight" rhetoric as thats more scripted exaggerations of r/bitcoin.. the real conspiracy makers

Blah blah blah blah Greg Maxwell is a bad, scary man blah blah blah something something Blockstream blah blah blah we need 5000 GB blocks immediately blah blah blah .
legendary
Activity: 4424
Merit: 4794
January 24, 2017, 03:49:43 PM
#92

/Satoshi:0.13.1/   1512 (26.84%)
/Satoshi:0.13.2/   1165 (20.68%)
/Satoshi:0.13.99/   116 (2%)


/Satoshi:0.13.1/   1528 (26.84%)
/Satoshi:0.13.2/   1183 (20.78%)
/Satoshi:0.13.99/   117 (2%)

and minutes later

/Satoshi:0.13.1/   1524 (26.74%)
/Satoshi:0.13.2/   1183 (20.75%)
/Satoshi:0.13.99/   117 (2%)

wow it moves under 1% in a day.. and wow it goes up and down...
how about calm down and look at the long scale changes.. instead of celebrating at the 0.1% increases.. it make you look silly.
legendary
Activity: 4424
Merit: 4794
January 24, 2017, 03:45:46 PM
#91
Franky1 must be the BU spokesman, who supplys you with alternative Facts™  Grin

independant research, go try it. its mind and eye opening. you will ses passed all the scripts and actually see whats really happening.

please research
consensus
the code

then run some scenario's of how things will actually play out.
actually have an open mind and dont just play follow the leader.
legendary
Activity: 1284
Merit: 1042
January 24, 2017, 03:42:21 PM
#90
Franky1 must be the BU spokesman, who supplies you with #AlternativeFacts™  Grin

Ah yeah, meanwhile SW-node count growing  Wink
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