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May 20, 2017, 03:19:33 PM
#64
Everyone and his dog are free to have their opinion

But that alone doesn't translate into profit "optimization on an aggregated level" (I don't really know what you mean by this). Nevertheless, holding your coins cannot possibly be an optimal strategy since the only case when it becomes such never happens in real life. That strategy would be best if Bitcoin (or any other such asset, for the record) was going up in a straight line. But this is never the case. So selling a fraction of your coins and buying them back is a more profitable strategy simply statistically. You may not always hit it 20/20, but in the long run you would be better off than just sticking to your coins (even if there were no major crashes)

Aggregated level:
The sum of the individual profits of the group who choose for a selling-strategy. The profits of individuals will have some kind of distibution

That would be like an average body temperature across the hospital (mortuary included)

You simply can't compare that to a one-size-fits-all holding strategy, i.e. a strategy where all members of the group just hold to their bitcoins. If you still want to compare these strategies, you obviously should compare a group of individuals sticking to the same BTFD strategy. But that would be equal to comparing just one individual following his variety of that strategy to another individual who has married his coins. Moreover, you simply can't use your "aggregated level" since profits just like losses are an individual, not a group phenomenon (especially in a zero-sum game like Bitcoin trading)

Talking about hospital: I’don’t like the perspective being part of a test group who is swallowing the placebo. Maybe my search for an econometric principle is to simple.
Zero sum game: how do you define the playing field? On a certain scale, isn’t everything a zero-sum game?
legendary
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May 20, 2017, 02:49:43 PM
#63
$2000 price is now broken anyone selling?  Smiley

I don't have the urgency to sell now so I'm holding and just speculate that the market price will go up to the moon. If someone wants to sell, it is their prerogative. We will not point fingers at you as well, because that is your decision. But please don't create a thread saying that you regret selling your precious bitcoin at this price. We will understand if you have a situation wherein you need money and so the only option is to sell bitcoin->fiat. But if you are going to sell now just for the sake of thinking you will have huge problem. Think again. The chances of bitcoin price is going to the moon right now so its better to hold on it as tight as you can.
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May 20, 2017, 02:06:12 PM
#62
Everyone and his dog are free to have their opinion

But that alone doesn't translate into profit "optimization on an aggregated level" (I don't really know what you mean by this). Nevertheless, holding your coins cannot possibly be an optimal strategy since the only case when it becomes such never happens in real life. That strategy would be best if Bitcoin (or any other such asset, for the record) was going up in a straight line. But this is never the case. So selling a fraction of your coins and buying them back is a more profitable strategy simply statistically. You may not always hit it 20/20, but in the long run you would be better off than just sticking to your coins (even if there were no major crashes)

Aggregated level:
The sum of the individual profits of the group who choose for a selling-strategy. The profits of individuals will have some kind of distibution

That would be like an average body temperature across the hospital (mortuary included)

You simply can't compare that to a one-size-fits-all holding strategy, i.e. a strategy where all members of the group just hold to their bitcoins. If you still want to compare these strategies, you obviously should compare a group of individuals sticking to the same BTFD strategy. But that would be equal to comparing just one individual following his variety of that strategy to another individual who has married his coins. Moreover, you simply can't use your "aggregated level" since profits just like losses are an individual, not a group phenomenon (especially in a zero-sum game like Bitcoin trading)
legendary
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May 20, 2017, 01:53:54 PM
#61
There could be many reasons for anyone to sell their coins and there's nothing wrong in doing that because basically they are circulating the coins and running the network this way. For example, I have needs and I want fiat and my complete earnings are in bitcoins, so I am bound to sell them to get some paper money and drive my life smooth. So is the scenario in different persons' lives and BTC's price is sure to grow always, but should it mean that we should just hold for years and years and don't live a better life at current prices too?
Spending and selling bitcoin for need is another thing and surely one has to sell them to meet the daily needs but OP is addressing to traders especially, who do not have an urgent need to sell but still sell thinking this is the best price.

But believe me there is no best price of bitcoin now. Even if you sell your coins at $2000 now, you are at a loss as in few month the price will be $3000. So my advice to all, if you do not have any urgent need, do not sell the coins.
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May 20, 2017, 12:30:45 PM
#60
Totally right there are some users who are depending so much in bitcoin so they are using it to earn for their daily needs,
And there are others who just want to gain some profit and use bitcoin as part of it.
When people will be depending on bitcoin earning for their living, it is inevitable for them to keep on selling/spending bitcoins. But in this case we could not consider selling bitcoin as a missing opportunity because they will not afford to save all their bitcoin what they are earning. But probably they must be saving some percentage of bitcoins from their earning.

But for the people who are using bitcoin as store of value, selling bitcoins must be equivalent to losing opportunity. Because they are affording to save bitcoin but they are selling it. Hence they must be losing some big possibility of becoming richer.

Extension:
If people depend on Bitcoin for their living (i.e. fiat is not available), one can’t consider selling Bitcoin as a missing opportunity.
If you consider Bitcoin as an investment, the simplest strategy is buy and hold. Studying the posts: it’s to easy to say ‘selling Bitcoin = opportunity loss’. A Bitcoin is not a bond with a main guarantee, so holding Bitcoin implies a risk. One could say that partial selling reduces total risk, the lost opportunity is the premium. Partial selling could be a succesful strategy, but i don’t think it will optimize profit on a aggregated level.
The preferences in the posts are often subjective to the level of risk aversion.
I would say: selling Bitcoin = opportunity loss. It’s not a truth, only a opinion.
Thank you all for replying, it gave me an opportunity to learn

Everyone and his dog are free to have their opinion

But that alone doesn't translate into profit "optimization on an aggregated level" (I don't really know what you mean by this). Nevertheless, holding your coins cannot possibly be an optimal strategy since the only case when it becomes such never happens in real life. That strategy would be best if Bitcoin (or any other such asset, for the record) was going up in a straight line. But this is never the case. So selling a fraction of your coins and buying them back is a more profitable strategy simply statistically. You may not always hit it 20/20, but in the long run you would be better off than just sticking to your coins (even if there were no major crashes)

Aggregated level:
The sum of the individual profits of the group who choose for a selling-strategy. The profits of individuals will have some kind of distibution.
legendary
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May 20, 2017, 12:27:14 PM
#59
Bitcoins should circulate on the market so nothing terrible will happen with selling few coins, I would even say this is necessary. Sure it's good to have some savings for the future and trying to enlarge that some but what is the use if coins if you just hold your coins all the time doing nothing with them

Every coin (Bitcoin included) has two sides

And while holding your coins may look a stupid task (which it is, for the most part), there are still some reservations, therefore we shouldn't make sweeping generalizations. If only a few people are holding their coins, this will amount to basically nothing, but if many people do the same it might have a profound effect after all. So by holding their coins tight people actually contribute indirectly to price rising since they effectively diminish the supply of coins to the market. But you should always remember that this process works in reverse as good and as strong
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May 20, 2017, 11:49:34 AM
#58
Bitcoins should circulate on the market so nothing terrible will happen with selling few coins, I would even say this is necessary. Sure it's good to have some savings for the future and trying to enlarge that some but what is the use if coins if you just hold your coins all the time doing nothing with them.
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May 20, 2017, 11:30:55 AM
#57
Totally right there are some users who are depending so much in bitcoin so they are using it to earn for their daily needs,
And there are others who just want to gain some profit and use bitcoin as part of it.
When people will be depending on bitcoin earning for their living, it is inevitable for them to keep on selling/spending bitcoins. But in this case we could not consider selling bitcoin as a missing opportunity because they will not afford to save all their bitcoin what they are earning. But probably they must be saving some percentage of bitcoins from their earning.

But for the people who are using bitcoin as store of value, selling bitcoins must be equivalent to losing opportunity. Because they are affording to save bitcoin but they are selling it. Hence they must be losing some big possibility of becoming richer.

Extension:
If people depend on Bitcoin for their living (i.e. fiat is not available), one can’t consider selling Bitcoin as a missing opportunity.
If you consider Bitcoin as an investment, the simplest strategy is buy and hold. Studying the posts: it’s to easy to say ‘selling Bitcoin = opportunity loss’. A Bitcoin is not a bond with a main guarantee, so holding Bitcoin implies a risk. One could say that partial selling reduces total risk, the lost opportunity is the premium. Partial selling could be a succesful strategy, but i don’t think it will optimize profit on a aggregated level.
The preferences in the posts are often subjective to the level of risk aversion.
I would say: selling Bitcoin = opportunity loss. It’s not a truth, only a opinion.
Thank you all for replying, it gave me an opportunity to learn

Everyone and his dog are free to have their opinion

But that alone doesn't translate into profit "optimization on an aggregated level" (I don't really know what you mean by this). Nevertheless, holding your coins cannot possibly be an optimal strategy since the only case when it becomes such one never happens in real life. That strategy would be best if Bitcoin (or any other such asset, for the record) was going up in a straight line. But this is never the case. So selling a fraction of your coins and buying them back is a more profitable strategy simply statistically. You may not always hit it 20/20, but in the long run you would be better off than just sticking to your coins (even if there were no major crashes)
sr. member
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May 20, 2017, 11:06:22 AM
#56
Selling bitcoin will not caused you to lost profit, you still can buy the coins and wait for the next rising, the bitcoin price is not always up, when it is down you can buy and invest again, and we need the transaction rate to increase so by selling and buying we are helping bitcoin to grow further

Bitcoin not only means price and pump/dump. I am not able to understand how increased transactions contribute any development of bitcoin. It is just similar to spamming Facebook by creating new and new fake accounts. Shouldn't we give more emphasis to ground adoption of bitcoin? Shouldn't we give it some more importance to it just than trading item?
I don't believe bitcoin will be able to reach to every section of economy when we are just boosting/promoting it like stocks and investments !!  Undecided
legendary
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May 20, 2017, 10:58:04 AM
#55
Selling bitcoin will not caused you to lost profit, you still can buy the coins and wait for the next rising, the bitcoin price is not always up, when it is down you can buy and invest again, and we need the transaction rate to increase so by selling and buying we are helping bitcoin to grow further
bitcoin really help us to gain profits since its an opportunity for us to study the fluctuation and learn how to make it in a good timing
like what you have said you can sell it at this moment then wait for some downfall then buy back and then hold back to gain more.
hero member
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May 20, 2017, 10:53:18 AM
#54
There could be many reasons for anyone to sell their coins and there's nothing wrong in doing that because basically they are circulating the coins and running the network this way. For example, I have needs and I want fiat and my complete earnings are in bitcoins, so I am bound to sell them to get some paper money and drive my life smooth. So is the scenario in different persons' lives and BTC's price is sure to grow always, but should it mean that we should just hold for years and years and don't live a better life at current prices too?

I wish that i could save my coins forever but this is the issue which is faced by me and many others. I need to spend the coins to fulfill my daily needs and also pay my fee, so i have no option of saving it forever.  Sad
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May 20, 2017, 09:46:12 AM
#53
Totally right there are some users who are depending so much in bitcoin so they are using it to earn for their daily needs,
And there are others who just want to gain some profit and use bitcoin as part of it.
When people will be depending on bitcoin earning for their living, it is inevitable for them to keep on selling/spending bitcoins. But in this case we could not consider selling bitcoin as a missing opportunity because they will not afford to save all their bitcoin what they are earning. But probably they must be saving some percentage of bitcoins from their earning.

But for the people who are using bitcoin as store of value, selling bitcoins must be equivalent to losing opportunity. Because they are affording to save bitcoin but they are selling it. Hence they must be losing some big possibility of becoming richer.

Extension:
If people depend on Bitcoin for their living (i.e. fiat is not available), one can’t consider selling Bitcoin as a missing opportunity.
If you consider Bitcoin as an investment, the simplest strategy is buy and hold. Studying the posts: it’s to easy to say ‘selling Bitcoin = opportunity loss’. A Bitcoin is not a bond with a main guarantee, so holding Bitcoin implies a risk. One could say that partial selling reduces total risk, the lost opportunity is the premium. Partial selling could be a succesful strategy, but i don’t think it will optimize profit on a aggregated level.
The preferences in the posts are often subjective to the level of risk aversion.
I would say: selling Bitcoin = opportunity loss. It’s not a truth, only a opinion.
Thank you all for replying, it gave me an opportunity to learn.
legendary
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May 20, 2017, 08:18:19 AM
#52
Many posts discuss the possibility of exchange earnings with selling Bitcoin (and buy later). Other posts discuss the Bitcoin exchange rate, it seems that many agree there is a strong upward tendency and the volatility is hard to predict. It seems dat selling Bitcoin results in a serious probability of an opportunity loss. Selling Bitcoin can only be motivated by an (partial) exit. Do you agree?

You should follow the scent of the golden ratio

In other words, there is no need to jump from one extreme to another, therefore you don't necessarily have to sell all your bitcoins at once or hold them all like you were married to them. As to me, keeping your stash intact is pretty stupid and meaningless since you don't take opportunity of volatility while at the same time risk losing all (if shit massively hits the fan). On the other hand, even if you run out of bitcoins, you can always earn them and start a new round of selling. In the worst case scenario, you can just outright buy a few coins and then rinse, repeat
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May 20, 2017, 12:48:56 AM
#51
Every option is always a risk, depending on whether you are afraid of much profit loss when the price of bitcoin again down or keep and think at one time the price will rise again.

Well said. You create a opportunity for yourself and each thing become a opportunity if you grab it properly. For example if you keep holding btc and what if from here btc falls back to 1500$. Isn't it better to sell now and buy at low price. Well it could be vice versa as well but unless you know the future its better to sell at regular intervals if you bought at low price levels.
legendary
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May 20, 2017, 12:29:37 AM
#50
Many posts discuss the possibility of exchange earnings with selling Bitcoin (and buy later). Other posts discuss the Bitcoin exchange rate, it seems that many agree there is a strong upward tendency and the volatility is hard to predict. It seems dat selling Bitcoin results in a serious probability of an opportunity loss. Selling Bitcoin can only be motivated by an (partial) exit. Do you agree?
That's true. I agree with this from the day one, I own my first bitcoin. Selling btc can only bring you some profits, maybe 10%, 20% or 50%. But in the end of the story, you are left with no bitcoins, all further increase/decrease, news, and more will have no meaning to you. You will be out of the market and deprive of any further rallies.
It is always better to hold btc as long as possible and ignore short term profits. It will help to increase wealth steadily.
legendary
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May 19, 2017, 11:14:49 PM
#49
Selling bitcoin will not caused you to lost profit, you still can buy the coins and wait for the next rising, the bitcoin price is not always up, when it is down you can buy and invest again, and we need the transaction rate to increase so by selling and buying we are helping bitcoin to grow further
sr. member
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May 19, 2017, 06:20:35 PM
#48
I think selling at right time is not bad. If you are getting at least some of the return from your investment then it is always good to sell the bitcoin right away. If you wanna be there for long time then you are mostly greedy person hoping for high profits. But that's really not advisable.
yes for some time we find it very hard to take a right decision in a right time. for example i have some amount of bitcoins and the price of bitcoin goes so high and you even know that it is the right time to sell your bitcoin but still you find it hard to take the decision which really effect our position.
legendary
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May 19, 2017, 02:17:36 PM
#47
Totally right there are some users who are depending so much in bitcoin so they are using it to earn for their daily needs,
And there are others who just want to gain some profit and use bitcoin as part of it.
When people will be depending on bitcoin earning for their living, it is inevitable for them to keep on selling/spending bitcoins. But in this case we could not consider selling bitcoin as a missing opportunity because they will not afford to save all their bitcoin what they are earning. But probably they must be saving some percentage of bitcoins from their earning.

But for the people who are using bitcoin as store of value, selling bitcoins must be equivalent to losing opportunity. Because they are affording to save bitcoin but they are selling it. Hence they must be losing some big possibility of becoming richer.
sr. member
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May 19, 2017, 01:54:35 PM
#46
Many posts discuss the possibility of exchange earnings with selling Bitcoin (and buy later). Other posts discuss the Bitcoin exchange rate, it seems that many agree there is a strong upward tendency and the volatility is hard to predict. It seems dat selling Bitcoin results in a serious probability of an opportunity loss. Selling Bitcoin can only be motivated by an (partial) exit. Do you agree?

It depends on how a user thinks of selling their bitcoin. Sometimes they sell it because they need cash in real life, others sold too if they need to use it for various purposes and in some cases, they are on profit and believes that a dip will come in the way so they can purchase more.

Bitcoin will surely go up while on progress but remember that at some point it will experience price dip or big crash. Others just want to take advantage of this so selling is part of their strategy.
Totally right there are some users who are depending so much in bitcoin so they are using it to earn for their daily needs,
And there are others who just want to gain some profit and use bitcoin as part of it.
hero member
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May 19, 2017, 01:27:11 PM
#45
Every option is always a risk, depending on whether you are afraid of much profit loss when the price of bitcoin again down or keep and think at one time the price will rise again.

Not when you bought bitcoin at $200.  Selling it will not risk you of losing your money nor waiting for it to increase in price further.  This is the good thing with bitcoin.  It is almost a win-win thing when you are selling it at a profit or holding it longer for the bigger profit.

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Selling bitcoin must be a way of losing opportunities.

Or a way to cut losses or maximize potential earning during bitcoin price crash. 
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