Topic: Serious Question - Nullc, are you Satoshi? (Read 4299 times)

very true. satoshi would even just say nothing if asked if he is the real satoshi. but turned to somewhere else.
and i mean the guy had created a valuable invention that threatens banks and governments. he should shouldn't come out else bitcoin bag holders are doomed. 

Yes....

 http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14122

Read thru that thread....realize, though, that forum was just one of many venues where this problem was being worked out.  Bitcoin hadn't been created yet....but this game "perplexcity" went dark right in the middle of solving card 251, just prior to the publication of the original white paper.....many references to the development of the ledger has been pruned, decommissioned, or diluted....the development of the ledger system made a brute force attempt more efficient because it distributed a record of the eliminated attempts and allowed a client to access and append to the ledger across the network. ..<----Turn that function around and there's part of the solution to the double spend problem which plagued many decentralized digital cash proposals....

Yes....

 http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14122

Read thru that thread....realize, though, that forum was just one of many venues where this problem was being worked out.  Bitcoin hadn't been created yet....but this game "perplexcity" went dark right in the middle of solving card 251, just prior to the publication of the original white paper.....many references to the development of the ledger has been pruned, decommissioned, or diluted....the development of the ledger system made a brute force attempt more efficient because it distributed a record of the eliminated attempts and allowed a client to access and append to the ledger across the network. ..<----Turn that function around and there's part of the solution to the double spend problem which plagued many decentralized digital cash proposals....

These questions are pointless if you have a brain and consider the following:
1) If he is Satoshi, he will deny it.
2) If he isn't Satoshi, he will deny it.

What is the point of such article? To waste time? To get agencies to investigate Maxwell?

Do you mean to say that this game contained the actual cryptographic problems needed to be solved for Bitcoin? And that they were solved this way? What cards were they?

I just meant that Satoshi was probably familiar with the game.

Absolutely...that is basically how it happened.  However, in this case, research was covertly being conducted to take advantage of the wisdom of the masses without the masses knowing that they were contributing to a larger project.  So, what appeared to be a game was really a concerted effort to mine "brain power" to solve contemporary problems associated with distributed networking.  It's no coincidence that the game was ended before the last solvable puzzle was completed.  Nor is it a coincidence that the last solvable puzzle was card #256 (allusion to a newly standardized 256 bit hashing algorithm?) which was captioned, "find me" and who's clue was, "I am Satoshi!"

I doubt this game is a coincidence, but it's probably like the calculus, discovered at the same time in different places; I guess lots of people had been working on these problems. When an idea's ready to be born, it will squeeze its way into the world any which way it can.

https://soundcloud.com/listentothispodcast/findsatoshi

There are tons of people named Satoshi.  Don't lose the forest for the trees.

Who is this guy? are you saying this guy is satoshi or something? what's the backstory? Also I think that no matter how much you ask, whoever satoshi is will admit being satoshi.

very true. satoshi would even just say nothing if asked if he is the real satoshi. but turned to somewhere else.
and i mean the guy had created a valuable invention that threatens banks and governments. he should shouldn't come out else bitcoin bag holders are doomed. 

Who is this guy? are you saying this guy is satoshi or something? what's the backstory? Also I think that no matter how much you ask, whoever satoshi is will admit being satoshi.

There's something really spooky about this for some reason.

rusty
kanzure: oops... yeah, two conversations at once, that got smerged. s/bitcoin/bitlength/. I guess you can still extend if that's valid data, though.
9:23 pm bsm117532
kanzure I thought this was exactly why satoshi used *double* sha256?
9:34 pm zooko
rusty: that's "Merkle-Damgård strengthening" and it's not good enough to prevent length-extension attacks.
9:46 pm rusty
zooko: you mean you can extend after the bitlength, right? I guess you'd need to prepend the length to make this work, and that has other issues.
9:49 pm
bsm117532: I've heard that theory before, but don't understand it. Perhaps there was a concern that some future partial weakness in SHA could deconstruct the hash enough to weaken the PoW?
9:50 pm katu_
i can't readily imagine how. all you can do with le is append, which helps you add data to a commitment (typically secret in hmac-like construct)
9:50 pm
theres nothing of the sorts in bitcoin afaik
9:52 pm Taek
from what I've gathered, Satoshi was not an amazing cryptographer, he may have done that out of paranoia
9:55 pm katu_
well, his prudence did pay off, especially in relation to SAT mining
9:56 pm zooko
Satoshi probably got it from Ferguson and Schneier's book "Practical Cryptography" / "Cryptography Engineering".
9:56 pm katu_
(ie simple means to double the number of rounds, without inventing non-standard hash function)
9:56 pm zooko
We also used that construction, which F&S named "SHA256d", in Tahoe-LAFS.

That exact spot in that picture has been found....it's in France.

>not even sure this puzzle is more than a fancy hunt the Wumpus game.
This would make a great epitaph

I read that last night also, were you able to track down the podcast or is it still available? Didn't take to time to follow the links last night as I was bouncing back and forth in different direction.