Topic: Serious Questions About Shuffle.com (Launched by FTX Employee) - page 2. (Read 741 times)

Let's clarify a few things here.

First, it's important to understand that the intention behind raising these concerns isn't to hurl baseless accusations or discredit anyone without cause. The aim is to ensure that we, as a community, are vigilant and proactive in assessing potential risks, especially given the history of the industry we’re dealing with. The collapse of FTX serves as a stark reminder that what appears legitimate on the surface can have deep-seated issues lurking beneath. It's not about accusing Noah of being another SBF, but rather ensuring that due diligence is performed so that we don't find ourselves blindsided again.

Noah may very well be an upstanding individual with no history of wrongdoing. The point isn’t to say he’s guilty of anything, but to emphasize the need for transparency and accountability in an industry that has seen its fair share of deceit. Even if Noah was unaware of any fraudulent activities at FTX, it’s still prudent for us to scrutinize the practices of any new venture he’s involved in—especially one in a highly unregulated and risky sector like online gambling.

Now, regarding Cam at Shuffle.com, my concerns aren't accusations in the traditional sense but rather red flags that need further examination. The lack of transparency and the behavior reported by some users suggest that there could be deeper issues that merit attention. This isn’t about proving guilt right here, right now—it's about raising awareness so that we all take a closer look. If there’s nothing to hide, then these concerns should be easy to address and dispel.

And let’s be very clear about one thing: in an industry like crypto where regulations are minimal at best and often non-existent, asking tough questions isn’t just a precaution—it’s a necessity. We’re dealing with a space where companies can operate with near-total impunity, and where the balance of power is heavily tilted in favor of the casino operators. They hold all the cards, and if they choose to act unethically, there’s little to nothing stopping them.

So, I ask you—what harm is there in demanding transparency? What’s wrong with wanting to ensure that those who hold such immense power in this industry are acting in good faith? This isn’t about trying to bring someone down; it’s about protecting ourselves and our community from the very real risks that come with unchecked power. If Shuffle.com is as above-board as some claim, then these questions should be welcomed, not dismissed.

This thread isn’t just about debating who’s right or wrong; it’s about ensuring we all have the full picture before dismissing potential issues. The crypto space has seen too many instances where lack of oversight led to catastrophic outcomes. Let's not fall into the trap of complacency.

If this discussion helps even one person avoid a bad situation, then it's worth continuing. I urge everyone to remain open-minded and to keep this conversation going until all concerns are fully addressed and resolved. Transparency and accountability should never be viewed as unnecessary, especially in this space.

Indeed, Stalker, this isn't a damn tea party—these are people's lives being ruined. Gambling (addiction) destroys families, livelihoods, and futures. When individuals like Cam, who represent Shuffle.com, show a blatant disregard for the well-being of players, it goes beyond a simple business transaction. It becomes a moral issue that affects real people in devastating ways.

While you may dismiss this as a discussion unfit for the "Scam Accusations" section, the reality is that unethical practices can be just as harmful as outright scams. When staff members treat people with disrespect, mock their struggles, and ignore the consequences of their actions, it’s not just bad customer service—it’s a serious breach of trust and responsibility.

If you think this doesn’t belong here, perhaps you need to reassess what qualifies as a legitimate concern. The community deserves better, and we won’t be silenced just because some find it uncomfortable to confront these issues head-on.

Don't you agree?

In fact, a sad player (and partner) spoke to him yesterday right after he deleted him He will probably be very mad at me for sharing this but hey, at crypto(casinos) you can do anything you want right?

The funny par,t my friend. Cam is never inactive - in fact Cam sees everything and is aways online only he choses of course hen to respond at his comfortable safe place. The part that worries me the most is that you are defending somebody you absolutely don't know a thing about - please don't get me wrong I'm only here to protect people against anything that triest to take advantage.

This doesn't directly confirms the addiction part (it does a bit) but I'm just curious about your opinion.

https://i.ibb.co/gP4Zdrq/photo-2024-08-13-23-07-20.jpg

There is a screenshot of the conversation and here a transcript:

Cam Shuffle:

Not trying to dismiss your feelings but I have so many players pissed off at their current casino asking to transfer to Shuffle I can’t keep up.
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If you want to be denied lossback when you’re down and talk to a robot you could try Stake.
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Or if you want to be blatantly scammed, have your withdrawals locked, and talk to a host who barely speaks English you could try bcgame.
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are these dissatisfied players in the room with us?

You:
No it are actually all the people who give you the feeling Shuffle is the best and you are the best host ever because they will do anything to get anything because their dried out wallet isn’t giving even a blink of hope anymore.
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Most of those you speak daily, only of course you have no clue how it goes within the community because you only chose to feed your ego.
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That’s what we call a poker-face and I’m absolutely not talking about myself.

I understand it was never a secret but it was also never a problem either for those that knew about it. It was never (to my knowledge) even discussed as a possible reason for others to avoid using Shuffle and members were never advised to take precautions before.

Yet for some unknown reason the OP decided to create this thread with an extensive amount of text and detail to advise anybody reading it about the possible dangers of using the Shuffle website.

He deliberately has not explained what drove him to create this thread yet is asking for transparency from the Shuffle team.

And where did you get the impression this is a productive place for such a discussion? This is the "Scam Accusations" section, not a freaking tea party.  Is there an evidence of actual scam?


You are not entitled to speak on behalf of the "entire" community.

In summary,


OP made a accusation against the founder of Shuffle.com namely Noah in the regard of "potential risks". These claims are obviously silly to any user that has read the replies because every single person has come to the same logistical conclusion of "it was a legitimate company when he was working there." I mean, it at least APPEARED to be. That's how a multi billion dollar scam works. It appears to be legit to even most core employees, not just the hundreds of thousands of users that are actually pretty damn smart, unless they were in on it. The scam was really fucking good, it tricked plenty of people with IQs triple of mine. That's why it stole billions!!!


Noah has no history of doing anything SBF did or anything of the sense so Noahs accusation holds 0 weight.



Secondly,



OP made a accusation against "Cam" at Shuffle.com regarding unethical business practices that he has failed to provide any evidence for.



So,



Unless OP gives concrete proof of his accusations against Cam @ Shuffle.com, this thread should stop being replied to and bumped because there are more important things that require attentions in the Scam Accusations section. There's nothing to debate.

It was never a secret. Noah himself has talked about this in a video. He left FTX in 2021 while FTX issue happened on 2022.

I think most people would probably agree with you. What compounds the perspective even further is that there were zero allegations made in the OP about even the slightest direct impropriety conducted by the ex-employee while working at FTX.

It seems the OP cited the fact that some employees of the casino are giving their full names and instead use alias (as well as the ex-employee of FTX connection) as a major concern. That might have been prominent when the Shuffle casino started but before reading this thread how many people knew about the connection?

In my opinion, until or unless there are serious scam allegations made against them I would not look too much in to what the OP has stated.

This concern is only valid if Noah himself is the one who committed fraud but for a normal employee of a business that once provide a legit service this accusation is totally unfair just because he work on FTX.

So far Shuffle doesn’t have any existing scam accusation and provides solid service to all its customers. I think it’s not a big deal his background if his current company is operating well. If Shuffle was owned by SBF then I will agree that this company needs a thorough investigation.

If you can provide the conversation, it'll be very much appreciated, so ndumm [or perhaps cam himself, though he's been inactive for a while now] can give their insight about this

The first thing I would state is that by default there is automatically nothing wrong of being an employee of an organisation that went bankrupt due to mass fraud. I think it depends on what level the employee was involved in the bankrupt-via-fraud organisation. After that, I would look at the reputation Shuffle.com has in the forum and by that I specifically mean the Scam Accusation board.

I think there are several threads about them but nothing to my knowledge was attributed to the website conducting in scam behaviour. Though you might have motives to post here we should not be trying guess what they are, you should have elaborated on your association to this matter in the OP.

If their owner/operator worked at FTX and Bitmex, why is that a big concern for you? And using aliases in not a big issue to be worried about. Employees in many companies do the same because they do not want to give their real names. If the owner/operator has given his name and previous connection to tech companies, why is it a problem for you if employees use aliases?

If I am not wrong then Shuffle.com is not here for short term. They have been paying out their players regularly, keeping a good reputation on the community from long time. An ex FTX employee [if it is true] does not mean that he or she can have their own business. Their life does not stop just because FTX stopped. There were many talented people on FTX and all of them have the ability to create something good which will bring good to the cryptocurrency industry.

Your motivation is questionable. I think first you need to establish a level of trust to hear you before anything else. What brought you to create this topic?

Let's be clear: the purpose of this thread is not to be dismissed or locked just because uncomfortable truths are being discussed. The questions raised here are far from resolved, and it’s important to address them rather than sweep them under the rug.

Regarding Cam, the concern is not baseless speculation but a reflection of how his actions have been perceived by those who have interacted with him. His apparent disregard for the well-being of players, particularly those struggling with addiction, is more than just a minor issue—it’s a significant ethical concern. The fact that these behaviors are being brought to light suggests that there is a real issue here, not something to be casually dismissed.

Rather than attempting to shut down the discussion, I would expect Shuffle.com, and those defending it, to welcome a thorough investigation and a transparent resolution. If Cam’s actions are beyond reproach, then there should be no fear in addressing these concerns head-on and providing the necessary evidence to clear his name. However, if these allegations have merit, it is imperative that they are addressed, and appropriate actions are taken to prevent any further harm.

Locking this thread without resolving these issues would be a disservice to the community and would only raise more questions about what’s being hidden. Let’s focus on transparency, accountability, and ensuring that those in positions of power within the crypto gambling space are held to the highest ethical standards.

If Shuffle.com is confident in its operations and the behavior of its staff, then there should be no hesitation in continuing this discussion until all concerns are satisfactorily addressed.

Do you want me to share here conversations of Cam? I will be gladly to do so, the entire community is beyond depressed of lovely Cam.

Actually... I don't think this thread has meet its conclusion and should be locked. Other than the point clarified above, OP also proposes an accusation that one of Shuffle's staff and a representative on this forum, Cam, to be somewhat --what I can only summarize as-- unethical. I think we'll still need OP to clarify whether he'll drop this one by saying that his accusation is baseless or to provide evidence to support the statement.

I think you already got your answers and you also admitted the transparency of Noah and now it's useless to ask those questions. I suggest you to close the thread and be a gentle person and when you have any kind of solid proof against Shuffle only then create scam accusation against them.

Last I check, I shouldn't have any personal interest in defending Shuffle, since I am not involved with them in any degree imaginable. If you have that strong feeling, it's in your head. But let's address that instead of sweeping them under the rug, which part of my post makes you feel such strong feeling?

Moving to cam, this serves as a comment to your last post above about Cam too, I believe you're the one who initially alleges that their staff, pseudonamed Cam, has a serious issue in addressing gambling addiction, perhaps amongst other trait. So, I believe it should be you that proves the accusation is not baseless and completely founded instead of asking me [or anyone else] to prove that your statement is invalid? Do I understand things backwardly?

It's good to hear that Noah took steps to maintain integrity on review platforms. However, it's essential to look at the broader context of his previous high-ranking position and the potential influence of his decisions at FTX. While he may have had positive interactions, it doesn't entirely mitigate the need for transparency and accountability, especially given the significant impact of FTX's collapse.

Regarding the complexity of FTX's operations and the many employees involved, I fully acknowledge that not everyone was part of the fraudulent activities. My concern is focused on ensuring that lessons have been learned and that such practices are not carried over to Shuffle.com. Noah's high position at FTX puts him in a place where his actions and decisions carry significant weight, and it is reasonable to seek assurance that Shuffle.com operates with the highest ethical standards.

It's not about making broad statements but rather about safeguarding the community and ensuring that Shuffle.com is transparent and accountable in its operations. Trust is built through continuous vigilance and a commitment to ethical practices, which should be evident in every aspect of the platform.

Moreover, even if Noah is innocent, he can thank Cam for these allegations. Cam's behavior and apparent disregard for people, particularly those struggling with gambling addiction, have brought these serious concerns to light. His actions and attitude reflect poorly on the entire organization and highlight the need for stringent ethical standards and accountability.

If Noah and the Shuffle team are genuinely committed to this, further transparency and clear communication about their practices and the measures they take to prevent any unethical behavior would be greatly appreciated by the community.

Thank you for your response. I appreciate your willingness to engage in this discussion and your dedication to transparency. However, I have a few points and concerns that I feel need to be addressed:

Past Employment and Current Practices:

While I acknowledge the openness about your work history at BitMEX and FTX, the concern isn't just about past affiliations. It's about ensuring that past mistakes, particularly those that led to significant collapses like FTX, are not repeated. It's encouraging that you’ve learned valuable lessons, but the community needs concrete assurances that Shuffle.com operates differently. His history can either be a testament to your growth or a shadow if not addressed transparently and proactively.

Transparency of the Team:

It’s commendable that Shuffle aims to be one of the most transparent teams in the crypto casino space. However, the issue isn't just about visibility but about accountability and ethical practices. While some team members might prefer privacy, the use of aliases, particularly by key personnel like Cam, raises concerns. Transparency isn’t just about being seen; it’s about being accountable. There are indeed other crypto casinos with public-facing teams, and it’s vital for Shuffle to meet and exceed these standards to build trust.

Operational Integrity:

The suggestion of fraudulent operations is serious, and I understand the need for substantial evidence before making such claims. However, community concerns about ethical practices, particularly regarding how Cam handles issues related to addiction, are significant. The perception that Cam appears to enjoy others' suffering is alarming and warrants a thorough investigation and response from the team.

Community and Ethical Concerns:

I am indeed concerned about the well-being of the community and the ethical operation of platforms within the crypto space. My goal isn't to smear Shuffle's name but to ensure that platforms like Shuffle are held to the highest standards. Addressing these concerns head-on, with transparency and accountability, is crucial for building trust and ensuring that Shuffle.com remains a reputable and ethical player in the industry.

Additionally, considering the many opportunities within the crypto space, it's concerning why Shuffle would choose to operate in one of the most contentious and least regulated areas. This choice inherently brings additional scrutiny and requires an even greater commitment to transparency and ethical practices.

I hope these points clarify my position and the concerns raised. Ensuring the integrity and ethical operation of Shuffle.com is in everyone's best interest, and I appreciate your efforts towards this goal.

I once offered tips to people for posting reviews on TrustPilot, and Noah messaged me, warning that I would be banned if I continued.

Noah is an honest person.

Regarding FTX, remember that it had hundreds of employees. Please consider the complexity before making broad statements.

Hey, I can tell you put some time into writing this so I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you're doing this out of concern for the community and not because you're trying to throw mud on Shuffle's name.

1. As a few people have already mentioned, I am very public about working at both BitMEX and FTX. I'm proud of what I accomplished there, and anyone who interacted with me while I was there should be able to give you a good character reference if you're interested in it. I left in mid-2021, FTX went down in November of 2022; if you're discounting everyone who worked there at any point of FTX's history, you're discounting hundreds of great people who had nothing to do with the fraudulent actions which led to the collapse. To suggest that I'm running Shuffle in the same way that FTX was run is quite disrespectful; at FTX I learnt a lot about how to build a product, and a lot about how not to run a company.

2. Shuffle is one of the most transparent teams in the crypto casino space. You can do a quick search and find a lot of background on me, and a very large portion of our management team. We do livestreams every week with different members of our team, and most team members have their full name as their usernames on various social media platforms - we make no effort to hide ourselves because we have nothing to hide. Of course, there are risks and safety concerns to doing this, and I respect that not all members of the team are as keen as I to be public-facing. This is the case with plenty of companies in finance, crypto, and wagering. A question to you; can you name 3 crypto casinos that have a more public team than ours?

3. If you have any instances of this please let me know, but it's in quite bad faith to make a suggestion that we're operating fraudulently with nothing to point to that would suggest that.

All of your suggestions are good suggestions, and you should be doing this to anyone you trust your money with, including all other crypto casinos. If you have concerns about anyone's responsible gambling commitments, I would encourage you to follow that up, because it's a serious matter. Again, I'm hopeful that you are a genuinely concerned observer and not someone who may be trying to smear the Shuffle brand - hopefully this helps clarify for you.