Topic: Serious Questions About Shuffle.com (Launched by FTX Employee) - page 2. (Read 863 times)

Not sure how this website even works as I’ve never been on it before but hopefully this is replying directly to Noah.

No, none of this conversation prior to this message I’m writing now has been me.
I could care less about “shuffles reputation” or anytning else that’s been discussed in this thread.  All I want to know is the exact reason that I was given a month long mute for yesterday. When a friend of mine asked him on telegram, he was unable to provide a good reason aside from telling me that “he decides who gets muted” all he continually said was that I have PREVIOUSLY used bad language, or in other words I have “been toxic” in shuffles chat. And you are saying the exact same thing. Which okay, that’s valid. I can’t deny that. BUT. That was previously. I have already been muted for it and it’s over with.. Brett had 0 reason to mute me yesterday which is exactly why when he was asked to provide screenshots of what message got me muted, he refused.. again- none of the messages in the thread have been me prior to this one right here. I like you Noah I like the platform,I watch the stream every single week (even when I have 0 wager for any of the codes, ) I spent 40 hours in Ishans stream last week lol.. I get that I have been “toxic” previously, but I did nothing yesterday to deserve a month long mute. Regardless if you or Brett want to admit that, literally not one single person in chat at the time, (including myself) understood the reason as to why he muted me, and still don’t. My telegram is gucci_flops if you want to send me a message and explain, I would appreciate it. Thanks Noah.

If you’re truly the founder of Shuffle, then it’s on you to make sure these concerns are handled with the transparency you talk about. Instead of accusing me of having some hidden agenda, why not show that you’re serious about being open with your community?

And just so we’re clear, I’m not the person you’re accusing here. My goal is to bring up issues that many people in the community have noticed—things that, as the person leading this platform, you should be eager to address, not dismiss.

Your defnsive stance doesn’t really help ease the concerns of those of us who are genuinely worried about Shuffle’s direction. Instead of trying to shut this conversation down, why not engage and actually talk about the specific issues we’ve raised? If Shuffle is as ethical and responsible as you say, there shouldn’t be any problem addressing these concerns openly.

As the founder, you should be leading by example, not dodging accountability. Transparency is not just a word; it should be part of everything your platform does. So rather than closing off this discussion, why not show us the proof that Shuffle is living up to the standards you claim? That would do a lot to show the credibility you’re standing by.

Alright, I know who you are after your latest message, and I no longer believe that you're acting with good intentions for the community. This thread exists to attempt to tarnish Shuffle's reputation because you are regularly muted for being incredibly toxic to our staff, our platform and our players.

Brett doesn't owe you any response after some of the things I've seen you say about and to him. Please either send some form of proof that any of our hosts have not acted in the interest of responsible gambling, or close the thread. This will be my last reply, I would recommend that no one else in this thread give any more time to this guy until he provides some form of indisputable proof (which I'm confident won't come, because our hosts take player welfare incredibly seriously).

 

Update: Brett, Cam’s Brother, and His Role at Shuffle

It has come to my attention that another key figure at Shuffle.com, Brett, is Cam's brother. Brett also holds a significant role within the company, and unfortunately, his behavior seems to mirror that of Cam, raising additional concerns about the company’s overall approach to customer interaction and community management.

In a recent review of conversations, Brett displayed a pattern of dismissiveness and a lack of accountability when handling customer issues. For instance:

- Aggressive and Dismissive Behavior: Brett, like Cam, appears to dismiss user concerns without providing adequate reasoning. In one interaction, Brett muted a user for 30 days but refused to provide a clear explanation or retrieve chat logs to justify the action, stating, "I am the one who decides whether or not something is justified to mute a player and today I decided to mute him." When pressed for screenshots or further explanation, Brett chose to disengage, saying he had "work to get done."

- Failure to Address Community Concerns: Brett also failed to properly address community feedback, leading to confusion and dissatisfaction among users. When the chat community questioned why a user was muted, Brett did not provide clarity or engage meaningfully, which only worsened the situation.

These interactions suggest a troubling culture within Shuffle, where dismissiveness and a lack of transparency are not isolated incidents but rather part of a broader pattern among key personnel. This is particularly concerning when both Cam and Brett are in positions of influence, as it raises questions about the overall management and ethical standards of the company.

Citations:

- "I am the one who decides whether or not something is justified to mute a player and today I decided to mute him." (Message ID 569611)
- "I have players to attend to and work to get done." (Message ID 569626)

The reason this thread exists is simple: due diligence. Just because something wasn’t a problem before doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be scrutinized now, especially in an industry as volatile as crypto. My goal is to ensure transparency and protect the community. If raising concerns about potential risks and demanding accountability makes you uncomfortable, then perhaps that says more about the situation than the thread itself. Transparency goes both ways.

Let's clarify a few things here.

First, it's important to understand that the intention behind raising these concerns isn't to hurl baseless accusations or discredit anyone without cause. The aim is to ensure that we, as a community, are vigilant and proactive in assessing potential risks, especially given the history of the industry we’re dealing with. The collapse of FTX serves as a stark reminder that what appears legitimate on the surface can have deep-seated issues lurking beneath. It's not about accusing Noah of being another SBF, but rather ensuring that due diligence is performed so that we don't find ourselves blindsided again.

Noah may very well be an upstanding individual with no history of wrongdoing. The point isn’t to say he’s guilty of anything, but to emphasize the need for transparency and accountability in an industry that has seen its fair share of deceit. Even if Noah was unaware of any fraudulent activities at FTX, it’s still prudent for us to scrutinize the practices of any new venture he’s involved in—especially one in a highly unregulated and risky sector like online gambling.

Now, regarding Cam at Shuffle.com, my concerns aren't accusations in the traditional sense but rather red flags that need further examination. The lack of transparency and the behavior reported by some users suggest that there could be deeper issues that merit attention. This isn’t about proving guilt right here, right now—it's about raising awareness so that we all take a closer look. If there’s nothing to hide, then these concerns should be easy to address and dispel.

And let’s be very clear about one thing: in an industry like crypto where regulations are minimal at best and often non-existent, asking tough questions isn’t just a precaution—it’s a necessity. We’re dealing with a space where companies can operate with near-total impunity, and where the balance of power is heavily tilted in favor of the casino operators. They hold all the cards, and if they choose to act unethically, there’s little to nothing stopping them.

So, I ask you—what harm is there in demanding transparency? What’s wrong with wanting to ensure that those who hold such immense power in this industry are acting in good faith? This isn’t about trying to bring someone down; it’s about protecting ourselves and our community from the very real risks that come with unchecked power. If Shuffle.com is as above-board as some claim, then these questions should be welcomed, not dismissed.

This thread isn’t just about debating who’s right or wrong; it’s about ensuring we all have the full picture before dismissing potential issues. The crypto space has seen too many instances where lack of oversight led to catastrophic outcomes. Let's not fall into the trap of complacency.

If this discussion helps even one person avoid a bad situation, then it's worth continuing. I urge everyone to remain open-minded and to keep this conversation going until all concerns are fully addressed and resolved. Transparency and accountability should never be viewed as unnecessary, especially in this space.

Indeed, Stalker, this isn't a damn tea party—these are people's lives being ruined. Gambling (addiction) destroys families, livelihoods, and futures. When individuals like Cam, who represent Shuffle.com, show a blatant disregard for the well-being of players, it goes beyond a simple business transaction. It becomes a moral issue that affects real people in devastating ways.

While you may dismiss this as a discussion unfit for the "Scam Accusations" section, the reality is that unethical practices can be just as harmful as outright scams. When staff members treat people with disrespect, mock their struggles, and ignore the consequences of their actions, it’s not just bad customer service—it’s a serious breach of trust and responsibility.

If you think this doesn’t belong here, perhaps you need to reassess what qualifies as a legitimate concern. The community deserves better, and we won’t be silenced just because some find it uncomfortable to confront these issues head-on.

Don't you agree?

In fact, a sad player (and partner) spoke to him yesterday right after he deleted him He will probably be very mad at me for sharing this but hey, at crypto(casinos) you can do anything you want right?

The funny par,t my friend. Cam is never inactive - in fact Cam sees everything and is aways online only he choses of course hen to respond at his comfortable safe place. The part that worries me the most is that you are defending somebody you absolutely don't know a thing about - please don't get me wrong I'm only here to protect people against anything that triest to take advantage.

This doesn't directly confirms the addiction part (it does a bit) but I'm just curious about your opinion.

https://i.ibb.co/gP4Zdrq/photo-2024-08-13-23-07-20.jpg

There is a screenshot of the conversation and here a transcript:

Cam Shuffle:

Not trying to dismiss your feelings but I have so many players pissed off at their current casino asking to transfer to Shuffle I can’t keep up.
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If you want to be denied lossback when you’re down and talk to a robot you could try Stake.
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Or if you want to be blatantly scammed, have your withdrawals locked, and talk to a host who barely speaks English you could try bcgame.
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are these dissatisfied players in the room with us?

You:
No it are actually all the people who give you the feeling Shuffle is the best and you are the best host ever because they will do anything to get anything because their dried out wallet isn’t giving even a blink of hope anymore.
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Most of those you speak daily, only of course you have no clue how it goes within the community because you only chose to feed your ego.
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That’s what we call a poker-face and I’m absolutely not talking about myself.

I understand it was never a secret but it was also never a problem either for those that knew about it. It was never (to my knowledge) even discussed as a possible reason for others to avoid using Shuffle and members were never advised to take precautions before.

Yet for some unknown reason the OP decided to create this thread with an extensive amount of text and detail to advise anybody reading it about the possible dangers of using the Shuffle website.

He deliberately has not explained what drove him to create this thread yet is asking for transparency from the Shuffle team.

And where did you get the impression this is a productive place for such a discussion? This is the "Scam Accusations" section, not a freaking tea party.  Is there an evidence of actual scam?


You are not entitled to speak on behalf of the "entire" community.

In summary,


OP made a accusation against the founder of Shuffle.com namely Noah in the regard of "potential risks". These claims are obviously silly to any user that has read the replies because every single person has come to the same logistical conclusion of "it was a legitimate company when he was working there." I mean, it at least APPEARED to be. That's how a multi billion dollar scam works. It appears to be legit to even most core employees, not just the hundreds of thousands of users that are actually pretty damn smart, unless they were in on it. The scam was really fucking good, it tricked plenty of people with IQs triple of mine. That's why it stole billions!!!


Noah has no history of doing anything SBF did or anything of the sense so Noahs accusation holds 0 weight.



Secondly,



OP made a accusation against "Cam" at Shuffle.com regarding unethical business practices that he has failed to provide any evidence for.



So,



Unless OP gives concrete proof of his accusations against Cam @ Shuffle.com, this thread should stop being replied to and bumped because there are more important things that require attentions in the Scam Accusations section. There's nothing to debate.

It was never a secret. Noah himself has talked about this in a video. He left FTX in 2021 while FTX issue happened on 2022.

I think most people would probably agree with you. What compounds the perspective even further is that there were zero allegations made in the OP about even the slightest direct impropriety conducted by the ex-employee while working at FTX.

It seems the OP cited the fact that some employees of the casino are giving their full names and instead use alias (as well as the ex-employee of FTX connection) as a major concern. That might have been prominent when the Shuffle casino started but before reading this thread how many people knew about the connection?

In my opinion, until or unless there are serious scam allegations made against them I would not look too much in to what the OP has stated.

This concern is only valid if Noah himself is the one who committed fraud but for a normal employee of a business that once provide a legit service this accusation is totally unfair just because he work on FTX.

So far Shuffle doesn’t have any existing scam accusation and provides solid service to all its customers. I think it’s not a big deal his background if his current company is operating well. If Shuffle was owned by SBF then I will agree that this company needs a thorough investigation.

If you can provide the conversation, it'll be very much appreciated, so ndumm [or perhaps cam himself, though he's been inactive for a while now] can give their insight about this

The first thing I would state is that by default there is automatically nothing wrong of being an employee of an organisation that went bankrupt due to mass fraud. I think it depends on what level the employee was involved in the bankrupt-via-fraud organisation. After that, I would look at the reputation Shuffle.com has in the forum and by that I specifically mean the Scam Accusation board.

I think there are several threads about them but nothing to my knowledge was attributed to the website conducting in scam behaviour. Though you might have motives to post here we should not be trying guess what they are, you should have elaborated on your association to this matter in the OP.

If their owner/operator worked at FTX and Bitmex, why is that a big concern for you? And using aliases in not a big issue to be worried about. Employees in many companies do the same because they do not want to give their real names. If the owner/operator has given his name and previous connection to tech companies, why is it a problem for you if employees use aliases?

If I am not wrong then Shuffle.com is not here for short term. They have been paying out their players regularly, keeping a good reputation on the community from long time. An ex FTX employee [if it is true] does not mean that he or she can have their own business. Their life does not stop just because FTX stopped. There were many talented people on FTX and all of them have the ability to create something good which will bring good to the cryptocurrency industry.

Your motivation is questionable. I think first you need to establish a level of trust to hear you before anything else. What brought you to create this topic?

Let's be clear: the purpose of this thread is not to be dismissed or locked just because uncomfortable truths are being discussed. The questions raised here are far from resolved, and it’s important to address them rather than sweep them under the rug.

Regarding Cam, the concern is not baseless speculation but a reflection of how his actions have been perceived by those who have interacted with him. His apparent disregard for the well-being of players, particularly those struggling with addiction, is more than just a minor issue—it’s a significant ethical concern. The fact that these behaviors are being brought to light suggests that there is a real issue here, not something to be casually dismissed.

Rather than attempting to shut down the discussion, I would expect Shuffle.com, and those defending it, to welcome a thorough investigation and a transparent resolution. If Cam’s actions are beyond reproach, then there should be no fear in addressing these concerns head-on and providing the necessary evidence to clear his name. However, if these allegations have merit, it is imperative that they are addressed, and appropriate actions are taken to prevent any further harm.

Locking this thread without resolving these issues would be a disservice to the community and would only raise more questions about what’s being hidden. Let’s focus on transparency, accountability, and ensuring that those in positions of power within the crypto gambling space are held to the highest ethical standards.

If Shuffle.com is confident in its operations and the behavior of its staff, then there should be no hesitation in continuing this discussion until all concerns are satisfactorily addressed.

Do you want me to share here conversations of Cam? I will be gladly to do so, the entire community is beyond depressed of lovely Cam.

Actually... I don't think this thread has meet its conclusion and should be locked. Other than the point clarified above, OP also proposes an accusation that one of Shuffle's staff and a representative on this forum, Cam, to be somewhat --what I can only summarize as-- unethical. I think we'll still need OP to clarify whether he'll drop this one by saying that his accusation is baseless or to provide evidence to support the statement.

I think you already got your answers and you also admitted the transparency of Noah and now it's useless to ask those questions. I suggest you to close the thread and be a gentle person and when you have any kind of solid proof against Shuffle only then create scam accusation against them.