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I want to say I saw "special" crimp pins on digi that were purpose made for certain wire gauges. Maybe there are ATX crimp pins with longer wings for larger gauge wire?

I know the EVGA 1.5k supernova I have uses special crimp pins, they have a super wide flange that crimps down onto the individual wire sleeving so they don't have to use heatshrink. I've also often wondered how the double stacked wires on a single pin work, from the few I've looked at it seems they are just much better at cramming two wires, holding the pin, and crimping it all clean than I am, because the pins look the same...

It may be very possible, someone would have to source those larger pins if they do exist. If we can get manufactured 14AWG wires directly though that would likely be the most economical.

Each of the PCI-e wires doesn't need to be 14, that's crazy. I'm running 12awg from the power supply to 8" from the cards, where they split off into 4 pci-e connectors with standard 18awg wire. 18awg can handle a lot of power in short length.

Right, this is what I've done with my rigs, 10AWG from the power supply x 4 per polarity (yes its overkill, 2 or 3 would have been fine) from there to a distribution block, then 14AWG x 2 to an 8 port push connector (one for each polarity) for each graphics card, leaving the push connector to the card I use the 16AWG cables.
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That's what I'm figuring on doing. It'll take a goodly while to get them from the factory, but probably worth it as long as FCI product engineers didn't tell me wrong about proper mating connectors, and the mechanical diagram data isn't wrong. What I don't get is this is apparently the only power supply with that pinout type, that uses 0.2" spacing instead of 0.25" but why are there so many of them running around?
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I've requested quotes for 16AWG custom cables, and 14AWG if they think they can reliably manufacture them.  May have those quotes by Friday or Monday, depending.

Still in dialogues with FCI, Arrow, and Avnet about how to proceed on the 51915 equivalent connector, although things are looking a bit rough in terms of samples.  We may have to foot the bill for a manufacturing run if we want to see those connectors again any time soon.
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Each of the PCI-e wires doesn't need to be 14, that's crazy. I'm running 12awg from the power supply to 8" from the cards, where they split off into 4 pci-e connectors with standard 18awg wire. 18awg can handle a lot of power in short length.
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I want to say I saw "special" crimp pins on digi that were purpose made for certain wire gauges. Maybe there are ATX crimp pins with longer wings for larger gauge wire?

I know the EVGA 1.5k supernova I have uses special crimp pins, they have a super wide flange that crimps down onto the individual wire sleeving so they don't have to use heatshrink. I've also often wondered how the double stacked wires on a single pin work, from the few I've looked at it seems they are just much better at cramming two wires, holding the pin, and crimping it all clean than I am, because the pins look the same...

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I'd be fine with 16AWG; all my stuff is currently running on 12 inches 18AWG which is too dern small but it's what I had. 14AWG was requested, so that's what I'll deliver to the requestor. He's been smoking 18AWG wires.

I understand, and I've had problems with burnt 18AWG connectors myself, usually only a problem with those PCIe splitter connectors 1 in 2 out though.

My point about the 14AWG though was it is likely physically impossible to use 14AWG directly from the power supply to the PCIe connector itself, as the individual pins will have a lot of trouble accepting that size AWG. *edit OK I've gone ahead and attempted to crimp a 14AWG wire, I had a lot of trouble and messing with it but did manage to crimp it, wasn't pretty and damaged part of the connector that holds the wire in place, so unless there is a source for some kind of special larger pin, I really think 16AWG is the practical limit, at least with the standard PCIe pin which I have here.


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I'd be fine with 16AWG; all my stuff is currently running on 12 inches 18AWG which is too dern small but it's what I had. 14AWG was requested, so that's what I'll deliver to the requestor. He's been smoking 18AWG wires.
I'm building my extension cables for the dps-2000bb with 12awg, each of four power outputs should be able to run two GPUs. I should have pics of my first efforts later today.
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I'd be fine with 16AWG; all my stuff is currently running on 12 inches 18AWG which is too dern small but it's what I had. 14AWG was requested, so that's what I'll deliver to the requestor. He's been smoking 18AWG wires.
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I had a cables contact already, getting bids from him for production which is, unfortunately, overseas. I'd prefer domestic manufacturers, and Cheshyr is following up on some leads for me in that neighborhood. The initial batch's primary customer has requested 24" 14AWG, and I figure having spades crimped on the other end will be really handy.

Hmm I think you will have problems being able to use 14AWG for PCIE cables because the PCIe pins themselves really only accept up to about 16AWG. All the wiring on a standard store bought power supply that I've seen is 18AWG (for PCie) so to use 16AWG its already a pretty tight fit. For a distance of 2 feet 16AWG is adequate, the bladecenter supply also puts out 12.2V so that helps too. To go longer you can use 12/14AWG from power supply to a push connector or marrett and then from there 2 feet of 16 or 18AWG PCIe cable. Becomes much more work and not as pretty though. You've probably seen this but you can always check out this handy calc if you're not sure or want to use longer size wiring. http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm
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I had a cables contact already, getting bids from him for production which is, unfortunately, overseas. I'd prefer domestic manufacturers, and Cheshyr is following up on some leads for me in that neighborhood. The initial batch's primary customer has requested 24" 14AWG, and I figure having spades crimped on the other end will be really handy.
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Currently gathering resources for a first batch of these boards. The bulk are already spoken for, but I should have a few dozen available in about two weeks. If folks are interested in making cases for these, let me know and we'll work something out for getting samples/small orders to you.

The current board is about the same width as the Z750P power supply, so they can be put side-by-side. The output pin header includes lines for 3.3V standby power, an integrated 5V 3A supply (powered off 12V), current-sense signal, external fan speed input, auto-on input, power-good and current-share outputs.

I'm also trying to make available 14AWG/24" PCIe 6-pin cables with spade terminals on one end for mounting on the screw terminals.

Working on dev for a controller board that will integrate power supply health and per-supply/total power output, as well as thermostatic fan speed control and maybe some other bells and whistles. Also working on boards for the DPS800 interface.

Hey awesome work sidehack! This will be really handy. I've been watching this thread with interest for awhile now, stumbled onto it by accident doing a google pic search. I picked up some bladecenter DPS-2500BB, plus the 2000 and 1800 watt variants, they work excellent for power GPU's but are simply too much work to wire up on a large scale without the help of a device like you will be producing.

Just curious are you talking to someone overseas to source the PCIe cables or here in the USA? Overseas certainly would be more cost effective likely, but if needed I could crank out cables to spec to supply members in the forum or in trade with you for some of your adapters, just an idea. I've been building mine about 2-2.5' long with 16 awg wire. I would advise against using speaker wire, course strand 11-20 conductor control wiring type works excellent.

Oh and I can also supply brand new 60mm fans for the power supplies, I've been using 3M double sided tape on one side of the power supply to attach them and works perfect, they are a bit on the loud side b/c they move a lot of air. Below I've posted the link to some pics of my ghetto wiring, the fans and one of my rigs. 

You can see them here: http://imgur.com/a/pEgT8#0
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heads up, here is an even better/simpler PSU. 835W, easily jumped PS-ON (pins 3+4), and pairly easy to solder in a few fat wires without fear of shorting them to oneanother

 
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In for the sub, interested in these as well.
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If you ship to the EU and take bitcoin as payment, I would like 4 of those, case or no case.
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Currently gathering resources for a first batch of these boards. The bulk are already spoken for, but I should have a few dozen available in about two weeks. If folks are interested in making cases for these, let me know and we'll work something out for getting samples/small orders to you.

The current board is about the same width as the Z750P power supply, so they can be put side-by-side. The output pin header includes lines for 3.3V standby power, an integrated 5V 3A supply (powered off 12V), current-sense signal, external fan speed input, auto-on input, power-good and current-share outputs.

I'm also trying to make available 14AWG/24" PCIe 6-pin cables with spade terminals on one end for mounting on the screw terminals.

Working on dev for a controller board that will integrate power supply health and per-supply/total power output, as well as thermostatic fan speed control and maybe some other bells and whistles. Also working on boards for the DPS800 interface.
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I believe the blue wire would be a power on signal, you could wire a standard switch between them to have control, the red wire would be voltage sense, so it knows it is on and can regulate the voltage. Hook up as shown and measure voltage on the pads. Hook up some loads to it, if you are going to run cards from it, start with one, check voltage, add another, etc. if you have an amp clamp you can check how much load you are pulling to see if it works well.

OK got it.

Could you verify the 6-pin connectors...


Are these correct.
Do you put power to 1,2&3 and ground to 4,5&6 or do you skip any?

http://www.tomshardware.com/gallery/PCI-Express-6-pin-2x3-auxiliary-75W-power-supply-connector,0101-312644-10124-0-0-0-jpg-.html

http://imgur.com/zmgMRnr

Awesome site!
http://pinouts.ru/

Yellow is power, black is ground. Don't skip any.
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