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Quote from: Quickseller on July 02, 2016, 12:32:11 PM

Quote from: minifrij on July 02, 2016, 12:25:21 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on July 02, 2016, 12:11:54 PM

Random question (or maybe not) - where does an announcement thread for a wallet/exchange belong? Should they be in the service discussion --> exchanges (or online wallet) section or in the service discussion section?

Would the announcement not belong in the Service Announcements section, then a discussion/support thread could be made in the Service Discussion->Exchanges/Online Wallets section?

That is exactly what I thought, however it appears that announcement threads are being moved out of Service Announcements (look about halfway down on the first page of Service Announcements -- upon reviewing a few of the threads that were moved, I determined that they were in fact announcement threads).

If certain types of services have a dedicated section then all threads regarding those services should be in there, announcement threads included. Faucet and ad network announcement threads reside in Micro earnings, same for physical coin announcement threads in Collectibles and 'investor-based games' in, well, Investor-based games.
I started moving exchange/online wallets announcement threads in batches to make it more visible.
If I miss anything, please report it, PM it or even reply it here.

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Quote from: minifrij on July 02, 2016, 12:25:21 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on July 02, 2016, 12:11:54 PM

Random question (or maybe not) - where does an announcement thread for a wallet/exchange belong? Should they be in the service discussion --> exchanges (or online wallet) section or in the service discussion section?

Would the announcement not belong in the Service Announcements section, then a discussion/support thread could be made in the Service Discussion->Exchanges/Online Wallets section?

That is exactly what I thought, however it appears that announcement threads are being moved out of Service Announcements (look about halfway down on the first page of Service Announcements -- upon reviewing a few of the threads that were moved, I determined that they were in fact announcement threads).

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Quote from: Quickseller on July 02, 2016, 12:11:54 PM

Random question (or maybe not) - where does an announcement thread for a wallet/exchange belong? Should they be in the service discussion --> exchanges (or online wallet) section or in the service discussion section?

Would the announcement not belong in the Service Announcements section, then a discussion/support thread could be made in the Service Discussion->Exchanges/Online Wallets section?

Quote from: OmegaStarScream on June 30, 2016, 04:04:50 AM

How about a Advertising networks that pays with Bitcoin such a-ads etc.. section too? (Both questions and announcements and everything related to it)

I'm not sure if there is enough demand for that, especially since the Micro Earnings section already encompasses them.

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Random question (or maybe not) - where does an announcement thread for a wallet/exchange belong? Should they be in the service discussion --> exchanges (or online wallet) section or in the service discussion section?

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How about a Advertising networks that pays with Bitcoin such a-ads etc.. section too? (Both questions and announcements and everything related to it)

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Quote from: Decoded on June 30, 2016, 01:58:52 AM

So would wallets like BitGo (2 of 3) be considered as online wallets or clients in themself? Because they do have a local client, but they still require a level of trust, in that BitGo/pay won't team up with their key storage service.

That's a good question and I'd consider that specific wallet a 'mix'. Keep in mind that there aren't that many wallets with similar functionality (at least that I'm aware of). I think that it depends on what the user has problems with. If the user does only use the online interface then the thread should go into 'online wallets', otherwise it should go into 'alternative clients'.

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Quote from: Lauda on June 30, 2016, 01:53:51 AM

Quote from: Decoded on June 29, 2016, 06:10:33 PM

Technically, "online wallets" should be under the "Development and Technical Discussion", under "Alternative clients", am I right?

No, they are anything but 'alternative clients'. You should read the description of the newly added section and you will understand what I mean. Here's the quote:

Quote from: JonHolmquist on June 29, 2016, 02:29:03 PM

If I funnel all our adult customers and stores to the forums can you make the subforum?

Is that necessarily better for your customers, stores and the forum? If it is, then I'm certain that there will be a subforum (if there is enough demand for it/'supply' of such threads).

So would wallets like BitGo (2 of 3) be considered as online wallets or clients in themself? Because they do have a local client, but they still require a level of trust, in that BitGo/pay won't team up with their key storage service.

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Quote from: Decoded on June 29, 2016, 06:10:33 PM

Technically, "online wallets" should be under the "Development and Technical Discussion", under "Alternative clients", am I right?

No, they are anything but 'alternative clients'. You should read the description of the newly added section and you will understand what I mean. Here's the quote:

Quote from: JonHolmquist on June 29, 2016, 02:29:03 PM

If I funnel all our adult customers and stores to the forums can you make the subforum?

Would that necessarily be better for your customers, stores and the forum? If so, then I'm certain that there would be a subforum if there is enough demand for it ("supply" of such threads).

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Quote from: description of Online Wallets

Discussion about online wallets. Warning: online wallets are banks that you are trusting -- for a trustless wallet, you need to run your own wallet software.

If you are using wallet software you either need to a) personally audit the code to ensure that the wallet does not do anything malicious in terms of key generation, transaction signing and overall not having malware b) trust the creator to not include anything malicious in their wallet software, or c) trust someone else to perform "a" for you.

I understand that there have been instances in the past when wallet software itself had caused financial losses to it's users. One example is the RNG issue in 2013 (I want to say that I also remember a specific android wallet that intentionally created private keys with weak RNG -- but maybe this was the same incident). Also, it is alleged that the reason cryptsy became insolvent is because of a malicious (altcoin) wallet.

Maybe the warning could be revised to something along the lines that you must trust the operator of an online wallet with your money, and that there have been a number of losses/hacks/thefts involving online wallets.

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Quote from: Lauda on June 25, 2016, 12:14:22 PM

Quote from: Cyrus on June 24, 2016, 09:39:33 AM

I do frequent that sub-section and also move a lot of threads in there regarding individual exchanges and online wallets.

I should publicly stated my opinion: I agree with two of the proposed sections, Exchanges and Online wallets.

Quote from: RocketSingh on June 25, 2016, 12:10:47 PM

No please. Service Discussion seems alive when all are together. If u split them up, individual sub-sections will appear dead.

If by 'active' you mean spammed by signature spammers and a huge mess, then I agree. Finding the content that you're looking for on a forum should be easy (which is not the case in that section - as seen in the statistic provided), especially for new members.

Technically, "online wallets" should be under the "Development and Technical Discussion", under "Alternative clients", am I right?

Quote from: JonHolmquist on June 29, 2016, 02:29:03 PM

Quote from: theymos on June 29, 2016, 01:44:18 PM

I created Online wallets and Exchanges. Not sure about Stores -- I kind of feel like the top-level Service Discussion board makes the most sense for general discussion of stores. And I guess there aren't enough threads for Adult.

If I funnel all our adult customers and stores to the forums can you make the subforum?

There is quite a big market for NSFW things in the world, and this market has the potential to use bitcoin as it's main currency, as adult uh... things are usually spread through the net. It should have a corresponding way of anonymously sending payments, hence bitcoin would be great.

But I personally feel that having a NSFW board wouldnt be good. Maybe a seperate forum. This forum IIRC was made so that the Development and Technical Discussion was meant to be the main thread. I think it should be restored back to this, not with all these semi-relevant topics like politics, off-topic, investor-based games, etc.

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Quote from: theymos on June 29, 2016, 01:44:18 PM

I created Online wallets and Exchanges. Not sure about Stores -- I kind of feel like the top-level Service Discussion board makes the most sense for general discussion of stores. And I guess there aren't enough threads for Adult.

Thank you. Started moving threads in.
Guys, please report threads that I might have missed.

Quote from: JonHolmquist on June 29, 2016, 02:29:03 PM

If I funnel all our adult customers and stores to the forums can you make the subforum?

As you can see, new sections are added when there's a need and enough demand. It's theymos' choice, but if the number of adult services threads increases enough and the interest is sustained, a new section might be eventually created(as was the case with these two new sections).

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Quote from: theymos on June 29, 2016, 01:44:18 PM

I created Online wallets and Exchanges. Not sure about Stores -- I kind of feel like the top-level Service Discussion board makes the most sense for general discussion of stores. And I guess there aren't enough threads for Adult.

If I funnel all our adult customers and stores to the forums can you make the subforum?

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I created Online wallets and Exchanges. Not sure about Stores -- I kind of feel like the top-level Service Discussion board makes the most sense for general discussion of stores. And I guess there aren't enough threads for Adult.

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Quote from: Cyrus on June 27, 2016, 07:24:44 PM

Quote from: JonHolmquist on June 25, 2016, 03:55:19 PM

The subforum I want added is Adult.

I don't think there are enough Adult business threads yet to warrant such a section.

On the other hand, here's the latest thread about an online wallet posted in Technical Support(I've moved it to Service Discussion in the meantime): https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/please-help-menot-can-open-wallet-onion-page-1529212
This is a somewhat common occurence. These threads are created there because, while in need of support regarding an online wallet, Technical Support makes more sense than Service Discussion. An Online Wallets subsection would most likely clear that confusion in the long run.

At GoCoin most of our growth has been in adult merchants.

General merchants and other services haven't been growing or have been losing volume.

The addition of an Adult subforum would allow me to better coordinate a community of users who are entering the Bitcoin world from wanting to spend on adult sites.

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Quote from: JonHolmquist on June 25, 2016, 03:55:19 PM

The subforum I want added is Adult.

I don't think there are enough Adult business threads yet to warrant such a section.

On the other hand, here's the latest thread about an online wallet posted in Technical Support(I've moved it to Service Discussion in the meantime): https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/please-help-menot-can-open-wallet-onion-page-1529212
This is a somewhat common occurence. These threads are created there because, while in need of support regarding an online wallet, Technical Support makes more sense than Service Discussion. An Online Wallets subsection would most likely clear that confusion in the long run.

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I sent messages in to both Cyrus and hilariousandco about adding a new subforum.

The subforum I want added is Adult.

This is a sizable and growing section of Bitcoin consumerism.

It's an industry that is vanilla enough for banks to get involved, but taboo enough that credit card processors hate touching it.

It's a place where Bitcoin actually has a viable use case and is already being used.

I'd like the creation of that subforum solely to connect with other Bitcoiners and help grow the adult Bitcoin industry.

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Quote from: Cyrus on June 24, 2016, 09:39:33 AM

I do frequent that sub-section and also move a lot of threads in there regarding individual exchanges and online wallets.

I should publicly stated my opinion: I agree with two of the proposed sections, Exchanges and Online wallets.

Quote from: RocketSingh on June 25, 2016, 12:10:47 PM

No please. Service Discussion seems alive when all are together. If u split them up, individual sub-sections will appear dead.

If by 'active' you mean spammed by signature spammers and a huge mess, then I agree. Finding the content that you're looking for on a forum should be easy (which is not the case in that section - as seen in the statistic provided), especially for new members.

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No please. Service Discussion seems alive when all are together. If u split them up, individual sub-sections will appear dead.

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Quote from: Cyrus on June 24, 2016, 09:39:33 AM

Quote from: Lauda on June 24, 2016, 03:13:34 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on June 23, 2016, 10:09:31 PM

There is only around 10 or so major-ish exchanges currently (and a large amount of the exchange discussion is done by the signature spammers), so I am not quite sure that there are enough demand for exchanges to have their own subsection.

This.

We're not making a section only for those announcement threads, but rather for all the discussion about those services. Similarly, this is what happened with Micro-earnings, Collectibles and even Investor-based games. In all three cases I've went through hundreds of pages of threads and moved them in the newly created sections. In the long run it turned out to be a beneficial addition to the forum. It's a big forum and branching out(in a slow, calculated pace) is not a bad things.
Discussion about exchanges is found in Service Discussion(individual exchanges) and in Trading Discussion(general discussion), not counting announcement threads in Service Announcements and off-topic threads in Bitcoin Discussion and Currency Exchange(moving them as I see them). Here's a list of threads based on the first 5 pages of Service Discussion only(block of text incoming). The list comprises about half of the threads in the first 5 pages(similar to the number of threads I've moved in Micro Earnings and Collectibles in the first few pages back then), and around half(or under) have a paid sig:

Online Wallets(36 threads):
--snip--

Exchanges(56 threads):
--snip--

Hmmm, it seems that I might not have realized just how many exchange discussion threads there are. I think that some of the exchange related threads are probably attempting to promote their scam exchange (somewhat similar to how, on reddit, people post some random website claiming that they are offering 5% better rates then is available on coinbase for the next 2 hours), however with that many threads there probably would be sufficient demand for exchanges to have their own sub

edit: a quick review of the linked exchange related threads reveals that most of the exchange related threads are not very active. Out of the 56 threads listed, I counted 11 with 3 or more pages, 6 with exactly 2 pages, and the rest with only one page of posts.

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I also think that this is a good idea - having everything structured nicely is a good thing. It happens more often than not that I have to google for a particular topic because it's easier to find that way than trying to dig it up on Bitcointalk. So yes, please, new thought out sections are a good thing

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