Services board is very hard to browse

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Quote from: alani123 on October 28, 2023, 03:07:18 PM

Another thing to maybe make the services board more lively would be to create a new section for those seeking to hire people to do tasks. This way it's easier to browse sections separately based on if you want to hire or get hired and it would also make posting more attractive due to increased visibility.

If there is a dedicated board about a service that is different from the signature campaign, it will likely be very quiet. I think if you are confused about whose services you want to use then you can make a new post stating that you need someone with certain qualifications, I'm sure there will be many people who comment and offer their services.

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Quote from: KingsDen on November 04, 2023, 06:24:06 PM

You have failed to understand that it is even because of the presence of signature campaign services that the poor people's advert (according to you) is seen or noticed. If a separate board is created for signature campaigns, definitely no one or a few will visit the board of poor people's services.

You have failed to understand that the Services board was not originally created specifically for signature and bounty campaigns; they came much, much later. I don't deny that bounty campaigns are a form of Bitcoin-related services, but claiming that such a campaign is more important or popular than some other "poor people's" service is pure speculation. Do you have some metrics or stats to support such a statement?

Quote from: TheUltraElite on November 05, 2023, 12:31:16 AM

Exchanges, Mixers use the Service Announcements section but freelancing jobs should be in Services itself.

"Exchanges" and "Web Wallets" have their own child boards under the "Service Discussion", why do you think campaigns can't have the same under the "Services" board?

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Quote from: TheUltraElite on November 05, 2023, 12:31:16 AM

My motion on this will be a "No".

Hiring participants in a signature campaign is correctly in that section along with people offering their services. New posts in the campaign threads are always vital information and by no means they are burying other people's threads. It is just how a forum works.

Exchanges, Mixers use the Service Announcements section but freelancing jobs should be in Services itself.

A signsture campaign doesn't fit the strict definition of a service that would be advertised via a job and. Job ads posted in service boards are about individual positions or tasks. A signsture campaign is what is says, a campaign. It is a very different nature of thread and honestly skews the visibility of normal [HIRING]/[FOR HIRE] posts in a service board. For the latter, the individual posting can only post once every 24hours in his own thread, for signsture campaigns, which we have dozens of, participants are forced to respond and therefore hide threads by individuals.

If your worry is remaining within the confines of the services section, sorry not, because bircointalk's software allows to create sub-boards.

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Sometimes the biggest difficulty I see in this board is because of the names given to the topics.

Perhaps the solution isn't so much about creating another board, but rather creating a more suitable standard for the titles. But I know that this only works in my head, because everyone will write what they want, without following the standard. Perhaps, it can just help to distinguish who will be more credible or not (I believe that the most credible would use the recommended standard). Anyway, this only works in my head. Roll Eyes

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My motion on this will be a "No".

Hiring participants in a signature campaign is correctly in that section along with people offering their services. New posts in the campaign threads are always vital information and by no means they are burying other people's threads. It is just how a forum works.

Exchanges, Mixers use the Service Announcements section but freelancing jobs should be in Services itself.

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There is a question.
Can we say that campaign participants are actually rendering services? If yes, we should see campaign service as one of the reasons such a board was created. We can only be considering what you said in the Op only if we do not see signature campaign participants as people rendering services.

Quote from: alani123 on October 28, 2023, 03:07:18 PM

The board for services in bitcointalk is literally flooded with posts about signature campaigns however. And as these posts get constantly bumped by new responses, they come on top all the time while any poor person trying to advertise their service can only post one bump a day...

You have failed to understand that it is even because of the presence of signature campaign services that the poor people's advert (according to you) is seen or noticed. If a separate board is created for signature campaigns, definitely no one or a few will visit the board of poor people's services.

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Quote from: PX-Z on October 29, 2023, 11:08:32 AM

I've read this suggestion so many times but my answer is always is no, as it's not necessary yet but i will agree it for the first time today as for the the same reason. Signature campaigns are majority on the services board, and "Forum Campaigns" child board is quite reasonable board name as well

Definitely a reasonable and quite simplest solution to this problem because so many other services that other forum members here advertise are totally covered by the swam of signature campaign threads, up until now I never actually thought that this was a problem, then after reading what the OP said made my view towards the service board a little bit different because when I visit the service board sometime all what I see or look out for is the signature campaign threads forgetting that other valuable services are also there .

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Quote from: Smartvirus on November 04, 2023, 03:19:26 PM

Quote from: decodx on October 28, 2023, 03:22:52 PM

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I am not sure you get the point of the OP, I think the idea behind the whole post is about exposure and not having certain threads washed up too easily as, bumping a thread plays by a specific set of rules which respect you from unnecessary bumps within a period.
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I get the OP's point. But unless the admins decide to change something, we're stuck with what we have. That's why I suggested an alternative way to customize the Services board according to our preferences. Ignoring individual threads really helps.

I like what SFR10 suggested. That could also be one of the viable solutions.

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Quote from: decodx on October 28, 2023, 03:22:52 PM

There's gotta be like a dozen signature bounty campaigns going on in the services board right now. (I didn't actually count them.) The way I handle it is to just ignore the topics I don't care about and that way I can focus on the topics I think are interesting. The forum gets more customized to what you're into when you ignore stuff you don't want to see.

I am not sure you get the point of the OP, I think the idea behind the whole post is about exposure and not having certain threads washed up too easily as, bumping a thread plays by a specific set of rules which respect you from unnecessary bumps within a period.
While, you could as well expect signature campaign applicants to keep up with the bumps on Open slots with signature campaigns as well as, bumping some respected managers services.

One thing to note anyway is that,
These bumps on these campaigns are by means of payment notifications, slot announcement/applications and discussion on certain vital changes.

If you’re phenomenal enough, you can have your service bumped once in a while by users and fans alike as well, as much as you would yourself. The difficulty in this is that, it doesn’t give much room for new service providers.

If a new board that distinguishes campaigns from services is needed, I can’t say for sure.

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Quote from: alani123 on November 04, 2023, 09:11:36 AM

Bumping this as I kinda wish it would be implemented

I wish the same thing would happen as well since it helps with organizing everything on the board in question but considering the rate at which new boards/sub-boards are created, I don't think there's a high chance of this happening anytime soon ^{[unfortunately]}.

Another way to mitigate this problem is by making all of the subsequent posts ^{[within a 24-hour period]} on threads have no bumping power for the next 12 hours or so ^{[win-win for everyone]}.
^{- Referring to the Services board only!}

alani123

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Bumping this as I kinda wish it would be implemented and believe it's a much needed addition to revive one of the most useful functions of the forum.
I don't know why but in terms of administrative actions bitcointalk seems to be moving very slowly lately. Maybe theymos got bored? Who knows...
I see that mods are still working hard behind the scenes but when it comes to taking actions that require a higher level of approval not much happens around here, sadly.

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Quote from: alani123 on October 28, 2023, 03:07:18 PM

When you hear of a forum having a board about services, what springs to mind should be posts about hiring people and looking to get hired.

The board for services in bitcointalk is literally flooded with posts about signature campaigns however. And as these posts get constantly bumped by new responses, they come on top all the time while any poor person trying to advertise their service can only post one bump a day...

Yes absolutely right, actually signature is the main service of this forum and 90% members taking interest in signature and review compaign while other services even if they are on the top you will not see more than two or three reply. Besides signature and review I have seen only spamming of smm panel want to promote fake views, like for social pages .

Quote from: alani123 on October 28, 2023, 03:07:18 PM

A possible solution would be to simply create a new board for signature campaign topics. Let's call it Forum Campaigns for example. Review and signature campaigns can be posted there.

Good idea but do you believe that this will work? I have opened telegram notification for services thread and everyday I got more than three times the notification of new smm panel, web hosting and IP seller. I fear that service section will become full of spam Thread (fake bump through new accounts) and less visitors.

Quote from: alani123 on October 28, 2023, 03:07:18 PM

Another thing to maybe make the services board more lively would be to create a new section for those seeking to hire people to do tasks. This way it's easier to browse sections separately based on if you want to hire or get hired and it would also make posting more attractive due to increased visibility.

Then main service section will be just for Compaign management services and other service I already mentioned before Am I right?

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Which benefit's will happen if there's a split in the services board. Starting sig campaigns board isn't going to help because threads will be bumped day in out. You can't stop ppl they'll flood boards & bump threads when they feel like. I don't read urgent reasons to separate the services board.

Quote from: GeorgeJohn on October 30, 2023, 01:34:57 PM

Normally service board is flooded and that's what is making the service board to look competitive, so I abide on your ideas too if that will make the forum better.

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Quote from: Despairo on October 28, 2023, 11:53:57 PM

Service should be something that you offer e.g. design, advertisement, programming, art, etc. Although buy and sell signature or avatar space is a form of advertisement,

So what's your point here? Because you also know that Signature campaigns = Advertisements? And advertisements are part of the services offered or looked for in the service board.
Wouldn't you be the same people suggesting that NFTs need their own board away from the Tokens boards, and yet they are also tokens?

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You initiatives is very nice but creating a board only for a signature campaigns do you think it will be more courageous than the way it's now, because I have not seen anything wrong for the conditions I seen service board right now, because but the poor and rich advertised their product there and everything is moving in a statistics equilibrium the way I viewed it.

Let me say a service board is just like advertisement hubs where everyone advertised their products so I don't know the reason while they should a special board for service...OK, if they should be a service board that means we have to say that they will be a sub service board where low people will advertised their products also.

Normally service board is flooded and that's what is making the service board to look competitive, so I abide on your ideas too if that will make the forum better.

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Quote from: alani123 on October 28, 2023, 03:07:18 PM

A possible solution would be to simply create a new board for signature campaign topics. Let's call it Forum Campaigns for example. Review and signature campaigns can be posted there.

I think we should also count it as nothing compared to if the bounties section campaigns were added on the same board, what if the admin created a board assigned for campaigns and yet it remains flooded like this, considering the numbers of signature campaigns coming, i think everyone has the right to bump their personal thread, that alone will make it features in the first page for almost a day or two.

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Not a bad idea, but then again if we are to consider which services serve the forum the most it will all point back to signature campaigns that also branch out to other services like signature designs, signature & avatar contests, and shows that they are an integral part of the forum and should be kept where they are...

Like what has been suggested already, what if a child board of "other digital services" were created to allow for easier listing of services to avoid the Sig cluster, I think this could work especially that the services benefit an individual that takes services away from the forum, unlike sigs that serve the forum .

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Quote from: alani123 on October 29, 2023, 01:28:02 PM

Quote from: LoyceV on October 29, 2023, 03:08:48 AM

I don't think signature campaigns are the "problem" here, the "problem" is that not many other services are being offered.
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80% of those topics is created by users with a total of 0-4 earned Merits. That tells you all you need to know about how valuable those topics are. Without signature campaigns, the Services board wouldn't be worth checking anymore.

I've been working for crypto-related businesses since 2014 and I used to be getting a lot of work here. If I post about offering services now I'll end in page three in a few hours. 2014 wasn't a time when more people were using bitcoin by any means, but what has changed since then? Better job seeking websites have come out and I guess crypto businesses tend to use these.

That's untrue, I check Services board once every 24 hrs, on next page itself I come across topics that I have read already, I make sure to click few topic links daily so I know where I had left yesterday, and this is months of observation.

Just look at today's example [1], I checked services board around 12hrs ago there is nothing much new (I haven't clicked any topic right now).

[1] https://www.talkimg.com/image/Tps8H

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This is a very candid observation and it resonates well with what the idea of this forum stands for. It wouldn't be a bad idea to have a service board completely dedicated to just signature campaigns and bounty and other freebie paid/earned cash services that have a thing or two to offer.
Also, a service board just for graphic and web/ tech development services, NFTs and other digital related services for real world P2p service and transactions can be created so as not to blindside those with such skills and are here to earn from it.

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I'm happy being in the UniJoin sig campaign so I'm not trying to jump ship but I've got to check services. I'm letting ppl know I'm a web dev because I'd like to get hired so bumping's my single option. I've got to bump my services thread because there's so many posts made in services threads mine's getting buried.

Quote from: FatFork on October 29, 2023, 04:41:41 AM

I think that's the whole point here. With all the signature campaign offers, low-quality service listings, and off-topic discussions in the mix, the truly valuable offers often end up buried and lose their well-deserved spotlight.

Here are a couple of offers I found on the second page with just a quick glance, all posted (or bumped) by senior/reputable members in the past few days:

[HIRING] Utopia P2P - Channel Moderators
[SERVICE]Hire A Assistant Manager For Any type of Campaign!
[Moderator/Chatters Service] Discord | Telegram | Reddit | Crypto & Non-Crypto
[FREE HELP/SERVICE/TRANSLATION] - "You choose and I will translate"
[TRANSLATION SERVICE] WW's SERVICEs - ALL LANGUAGES AVAILABLE
[available] Web Development & Technical Services
GRAPHIC DESIGN JON | TFT PROP FIRM

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