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Topic: Seuntjies DiceBot -Multi-Site, multi-strategy betting bot for dice. With Charts! - page 133. (Read 274841 times)

legendary
Activity: 1007
Merit: 1000
I'm not understanding this, why people keeps applying martingale on a dice? Isn't it proven that martinfail is gonna inesorably fail?

    Gamblers Fallacy?  And yes Martin will eventually fail.  A straight martingale seems to always fail for me just before I get to 100% profit.  So if I set a reasonable streak limit, and start with 1 BTC, it will fail just before i hit 2 btc.  Or sooner. Sometimes later.

    BUT....   This bot is so much more then just a Martingale bot.  You can use the standard setup to do all types or systems.  Martingale is just one of them.  Then you can use the programmer mode to try everything else.  I like to dream up all kinds of weird things then try them out. 

My latest is a 19.8% chance system.  Bot will calculate based on the balance the starting bid for a 40 bet streak.  If I hit a streak of 15 loses it does a minimum bid till
it hits a win then resets to the higher streak bid.  It trys another 15 bets.  Still losing go back to minimum until a win.  Then try 10 more bets. 

  Each win looks at how many hi/lo's that have been rolled and calculates to bet high/low. 

So to lose you need 2 bad streaks of 15 or more followed by a bad streak of 10 or more.  I ran this on 3 different bots.  Ran more then 72 hours on all, and eventually, all of them failed.  But they all broke the 100% profit margin.   

   I hope no one gets the bot with the idea they are going to get rich.  It's just a fun tool, to use to hopefully, not lose all of your money gambling.  The longer you gamble the greater the chance you bust.     

Is there a tutorial anywhere for the Programmer mode?  I've looked around but can't see any so far.

Not really a tutorial on how to use it, rather just an,explenation of how it works. There are a few example scripts in the scripts section though.

http://bot.seuntjie.com/programmermode.aspx


    Just started that programmer mode thread.  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/seuntjie-dice-bot-programmers-mode-discussion-1114503

Just an introduction now, but I'll add to it over time.. 
legendary
Activity: 1717
Merit: 1125
I'm not understanding this, why people keeps applying martingale on a dice? Isn't it proven that martinfail is gonna inesorably fail?

    Gamblers Fallacy?  And yes Martin will eventually fail.  A straight martingale seems to always fail for me just before I get to 100% profit.  So if I set a reasonable streak limit, and start with 1 BTC, it will fail just before i hit 2 btc.  Or sooner. Sometimes later.

    BUT....   This bot is so much more then just a Martingale bot.  You can use the standard setup to do all types or systems.  Martingale is just one of them.  Then you can use the programmer mode to try everything else.  I like to dream up all kinds of weird things then try them out. 

My latest is a 19.8% chance system.  Bot will calculate based on the balance the starting bid for a 40 bet streak.  If I hit a streak of 15 loses it does a minimum bid till
it hits a win then resets to the higher streak bid.  It trys another 15 bets.  Still losing go back to minimum until a win.  Then try 10 more bets. 

  Each win looks at how many hi/lo's that have been rolled and calculates to bet high/low. 

So to lose you need 2 bad streaks of 15 or more followed by a bad streak of 10 or more.  I ran this on 3 different bots.  Ran more then 72 hours on all, and eventually, all of them failed.  But they all broke the 100% profit margin.   

   I hope no one gets the bot with the idea they are going to get rich.  It's just a fun tool, to use to hopefully, not lose all of your money gambling.  The longer you gamble the greater the chance you bust.     

Is there a tutorial anywhere for the Programmer mode?  I've looked around but can't see any so far.

Not really a tutorial on how to use it, rather just an,explenation of how it works. There are a few example scripts in the scripts section though.

http://bot.seuntjie.com/programmermode.aspx
legendary
Activity: 2296
Merit: 1031
I'm not understanding this, why people keeps applying martingale on a dice? Isn't it proven that martinfail is gonna inesorably fail?

    Gamblers Fallacy?  And yes Martin will eventually fail.  A straight martingale seems to always fail for me just before I get to 100% profit.  So if I set a reasonable streak limit, and start with 1 BTC, it will fail just before i hit 2 btc.  Or sooner. Sometimes later.

    BUT....   This bot is so much more then just a Martingale bot.  You can use the standard setup to do all types or systems.  Martingale is just one of them.  Then you can use the programmer mode to try everything else.  I like to dream up all kinds of weird things then try them out. 

My latest is a 19.8% chance system.  Bot will calculate based on the balance the starting bid for a 40 bet streak.  If I hit a streak of 15 loses it does a minimum bid till
it hits a win then resets to the higher streak bid.  It trys another 15 bets.  Still losing go back to minimum until a win.  Then try 10 more bets. 

  Each win looks at how many hi/lo's that have been rolled and calculates to bet high/low. 

So to lose you need 2 bad streaks of 15 or more followed by a bad streak of 10 or more.  I ran this on 3 different bots.  Ran more then 72 hours on all, and eventually, all of them failed.  But they all broke the 100% profit margin.   

   I hope no one gets the bot with the idea they are going to get rich.  It's just a fun tool, to use to hopefully, not lose all of your money gambling.  The longer you gamble the greater the chance you bust.     

Is there a tutorial anywhere for the Programmer mode?  I've looked around but can't see any so far.
legendary
Activity: 1007
Merit: 1000
I'm not understanding this, why people keeps applying martingale on a dice? Isn't it proven that martinfail is gonna inesorably fail?

    Gamblers Fallacy?  And yes Martin will eventually fail.  A straight martingale seems to always fail for me just before I get to 100% profit.  So if I set a reasonable streak limit, and start with 1 BTC, it will fail just before i hit 2 btc.  Or sooner. Sometimes later.

    BUT....   This bot is so much more then just a Martingale bot.  You can use the standard setup to do all types or systems.  Martingale is just one of them.  Then you can use the programmer mode to try everything else.  I like to dream up all kinds of weird things then try them out. 

My latest is a 19.8% chance system.  Bot will calculate based on the balance the starting bid for a 40 bet streak.  If I hit a streak of 15 loses it does a minimum bid till
it hits a win then resets to the higher streak bid.  It trys another 15 bets.  Still losing go back to minimum until a win.  Then try 10 more bets. 

  Each win looks at how many hi/lo's that have been rolled and calculates to bet high/low. 

So to lose you need 2 bad streaks of 15 or more followed by a bad streak of 10 or more.  I ran this on 3 different bots.  Ran more then 72 hours on all, and eventually, all of them failed.  But they all broke the 100% profit margin.   

   I hope no one gets the bot with the idea they are going to get rich.  It's just a fun tool, to use to hopefully, not lose all of your money gambling.  The longer you gamble the greater the chance you bust.     
legendary
Activity: 2884
Merit: 1117
I'm not understanding this, why people keeps applying martingale on a dice? Isn't it proven that martinfail is gonna inesorably fail?
full member
Activity: 238
Merit: 100
I make with this bot 0.02 btc but in long-term i will lose all Sad
legendary
Activity: 1717
Merit: 1125
Alpha version (build 14) of Seuntjies DiceBot is available at seuntjie.com/dicebot/dicebot-v3-alpha-b14.zip

fixes issues at sd with the incorrect balance, should fix the 999dice issue mentioned above. If it does not, enable bot speed and set it to 3 bets/s or slower. added support for bitdice, fixed the simulation error mentioned above.
legendary
Activity: 1717
Merit: 1125
seuntjie, does the simulator bet more than the balance?  It seems like it should stop instead but it keeps going.  So like if I do a bet sequence that makes it multiply by 10 at some point I've seen it where the bot will bet and show a win even thought it never had the balance to support a 10X bet.

This was indeed an error, Thanks for pointing it out, it has been fixed.

did anyone had a problem with the bot freezing up or lagging on you? jw before I actually consider this on primedice.
I have not experienced freezing with the latest few versions.  Betting at PD has been really stable for quite a while now. My bot was betting at prc for almost 2 days before dean took the site down for maintenance without any problems. When he brought the site back online, I simply logged in and continued betting, didn't have to restart the bot or anything.

But I guess vouching for my own program doesn't mean much right?
newbie
Activity: 13
Merit: 0
did anyone had a problem with the bot freezing up or lagging on you? jw before I actually consider this on primedice.
legendary
Activity: 2296
Merit: 1031
seuntjie, does the simulator bet more than the balance?  It seems like it should stop instead but it keeps going.  So like if I do a bet sequence that makes it multiply by 10 at some point I've seen it where the bot will bet and show a win even thought it never had the balance to support a 10X bet.
legendary
Activity: 1717
Merit: 1125
Mind Explaining that to me? I never understand what is preroll ?

The exact same question was asked in the past (with nearly the same wording). You can check the following quote for the details.

I never understand what a preroll is..
Mind Explaining that to me?

It is indeed a gamblers fallacy.

Imagine you start your bet with 1 satoshi, and you get a 20 losing streak, you bet:
1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512,1024,2048,4096,8192,16384,32768,65536,131072,262144,524288

Which means you wagered and lost 1048576, now you're busted because you don't have enough money for the next bet, but lets say you preroll 5 rolls, you bet:
1,1,1,1,1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512,1024,2048,4096,8192,16384,32768

Now you've wagered only 65539 and assuming the same bank, have enough for the next bet. So basically the fallacy is that you wont end up with a 25 losing streak, which is entirely possible of course.

As the guy asking for it intends, alot of people use prerolls with very small bets then hike their bets up to very large amounts. Same kind of fallacy

I couldn't have explained it better myself  Tongue
legendary
Activity: 1717
Merit: 1125
Hi seuntjie.

I have been using your bot with programmer mode with a strategy I coded, playing in the site 999dice.

Simulations look fine, but problem comes when betting real coins.

It bets 10 rolls and then following happens:



Then I try to log in with another 999dice bot and following happens:



Any help is welcomed.

I will look into this to get it fixed in the next version.
legendary
Activity: 896
Merit: 1000
Mind Explaining that to me? I never understand what is preroll ?

The exact same question was asked in the past (with nearly the same wording). You can check the following quote for the details.

I never understand what a preroll is..
Mind Explaining that to me?

It is indeed a gamblers fallacy.

Imagine you start your bet with 1 satoshi, and you get a 20 losing streak, you bet:
1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512,1024,2048,4096,8192,16384,32768,65536,131072,262144,524288

Which means you wagered and lost 1048576, now you're busted because you don't have enough money for the next bet, but lets say you preroll 5 rolls, you bet:
1,1,1,1,1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512,1024,2048,4096,8192,16384,32768

Now you've wagered only 65539 and assuming the same bank, have enough for the next bet. So basically the fallacy is that you wont end up with a 25 losing streak, which is entirely possible of course.

As the guy asking for it intends, alot of people use prerolls with very small bets then hike their bets up to very large amounts. Same kind of fallacy
hero member
Activity: 504
Merit: 500
Mind Explaining that to me? I never understand what is preroll ?
newbie
Activity: 1
Merit: 0
Hi seuntjie.

I have been using your bot with programmer mode with a strategy I coded, playing in the site 999dice.

Simulations look fine, but problem comes when betting real coins.

It bets 10 rolls and then following happens:

http://img.ctrlv.in/img/15/07/01/5593c40a1b0b7.png

Then I try to log in with another 999dice bot and following happens:

http://img.ctrlv.in/img/15/07/01/5593c39bdaf03.png

Any help is welcomed.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1123
Whats the minimum btc I can test bot successfully with ?
Is 0.25 btc enough ?
Yes, it`s anough.... For me Smiley I can make 1 BTC from start with this summ. But if you dont know how bot is work and how to setup him, you can lose all money.
How long did it take you all to pick up strategies and start making a return?
legendary
Activity: 2296
Merit: 1031
Seuntjie,  I have a request.

Is it possible to add an option to the Fibonacci tab?  Where it says "When Level xx is reached", there are currently two options under that to either "stop" or "reset".  Is it possible to add a new "increment" part here that would override the other two increment options?  

So when I lose at a certain level, I basically want to change the increment for maybe a couple of bets but then go back to original increment "on loss" that was set before.

Also... Does reverse Labouchere work?  It only seems to place a couple of bets or just one bet and then stops.  Am I doing it wrong?

Thanks

The problem with this, is after a few days or weeks, you're going to realize this doesn't work as well as you hoped, so you want to try another level, have it changed the rate of stepping a second time, then a third, then a fourth. Point is, It's not practical for me to make these changes to the bot every time. So instead I added this awesome little thing to the bot called the programmer mode. This allows you to do these kind of customizations yourself.

Yes reverse labouchere works. Labouchere isn't supposed to keep on betting indefinitely. Once it works through your list of bets, it should stop. Unless you set it to reset on a completing a series. also, the shorter your list of bets, the fewer bets it will place.

Seuntjie, thanks again.  I played around with reverse Labouchere some more and found that it doesn't seem to work similarly to regular forward Labouchere as far as the resets go.  For example, the sims end shortly at lower percentages like 49.5 or lower but when I go up to 90% the sim runs for a long time.  Maybe it's something about the mechanics of reverse labouchere I don't understand.

For the programmer mode, fair enough and I don't mind trying out some of the code.  But... I really learn better by seeing some level of example.  I'm not asking for someone else's script but just some examples of how the syntax of putting various code snipets together looks like in a functioning 'programmer' mode script.  So far, the guides I've seen aren't for programmer mode or I just haven't looked in the right place.

Do you have a link to any place where I can learn about how to use the programmer mode?

Edit: seuntjie, The "Reset after xxx Btc Profit" at the bottom of the "Stop Conditions" tab isn't doing anything.  I set it to an amount and when I hit that level of btc profit the bet size stays the same.  How do I reset the bet size to a certain amount or back to the base after reaching a certain level of profit?  Thanks again.  I'm sending you a small tip for your help.  Enough for an overpriced Starbucks coffee or a happy-hour beverage.  Still not winning with my efforts but you deserve at least some sort of tip for helping me and you actually deserve a lot more but I'm bot btc rich :/

Edit:  oops, I'm stupid.  Looks like I just had to restart the bot and then the reset on btc profit feature started working again.  hehehehehehehe  Smiley

TX ID of the meager tip I sent: 2552a18fe7052d086b08baace33ed77d2ce79c02e44e49b0ba1cc109ebb8e0e7        Thx again   Might send more if I can figure this out.
legendary
Activity: 1717
Merit: 1125
Seuntjie,  I have a request.

Is it possible to add an option to the Fibonacci tab?  Where it says "When Level xx is reached", there are currently two options under that to either "stop" or "reset".  Is it possible to add a new "increment" part here that would override the other two increment options?  

So when I lose at a certain level, I basically want to change the increment for maybe a couple of bets but then go back to original increment "on loss" that was set before.

Also... Does reverse Labouchere work?  It only seems to place a couple of bets or just one bet and then stops.  Am I doing it wrong?

Thanks

The problem with this, is after a few days or weeks, you're going to realize this doesn't work as well as you hoped, so you want to try another level, have it changed the rate of stepping a second time, then a third, then a fourth. Point is, It's not practical for me to make these changes to the bot every time. So instead I added this awesome little thing to the bot called the programmer mode. This allows you to do these kind of customizations yourself.

Yes reverse labouchere works. Labouchere isn't supposed to keep on betting indefinitely. Once it works through your list of bets, it should stop. Unless you set it to reset on a completing a series. also, the shorter your list of bets, the fewer bets it will place.
legendary
Activity: 2296
Merit: 1031
Seuntjie,  I have a request.

Is it possible to add an option to the Fibonacci tab?  Where it says "When Level xx is reached", there are currently two options under that to either "stop" or "reset".  Is it possible to add a new "increment" part here that would override the other two increment options?  

So when I lose at a certain level, I basically want to change the increment for maybe a couple of bets but then go back to original increment "on loss" that was set before.

Also... Does reverse Labouchere work?  It only seems to place a couple of bets or just one bet and then stops.  Am I doing it wrong?

Thanks
legendary
Activity: 1717
Merit: 1125
I have a question about the "Stop Conditions" tab.  Specifically, about the "Reset After XXXX Btc Loss" part.  I'm hoping that will reset to the base bet after it hits a BTC loss of a specific amount.  So if my martingale is ticking up and it hits a specific amount of .001 btc, I want it to reset the base bet.  

I'm hoping that's what the setting under the "Stop Conditions" does.  Am I getting that right?

Edit:  Part 2 of my question:  When I run the simulator, does it factor in the "Stop Conditions" and actually reset the bet as I specified in these settings?

there are two reset on xxxx btc loss.
the first: reset after xxxx btc STREAK loss -> if you're on a losing streak and lose xxxx btc IN THAT STREAK, it resets
the second: reset after xxxx btc loss -> if your session loss goes below the limit, it resets

if you're doing a pure martingale, the two settings are basically identical, but for other settings, like dAlembert, or a martingale with reset parameters for losing streaks their functions do differ.


part 2: it should.
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