Several users trying to cheat Coinomat signature campaign - page 2.

Malin Keshar

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Quote from: Jeremycoin on June 14, 2015, 10:43:27 AM

Take a look at this
I just investigated these 3 address from each user
https://blockchain.info/address/1ANfsdJuKeE1VmMFpoQqyLqDZef6hU4VVn
https://blockchain.info/address/1A2Qw4Y5P2ddxqnQ84pjJNnHJBpvb9ySXD
https://blockchain.info/address/15Q5Y8HjAqdxHvCA6gNXi8TtUt1UbrY1FT

Every transaction that come to the wallet (which is I belive from Signature Campaign), will be directly send to another unknown address.
And every sent transaction always have adjacent intervals
So, It means that this 3 users controlled by a same person. Cool

Quote from: Jeremycoin on June 14, 2015, 10:43:27 AM

Take a look at this
I just investigated these 3 address from each user
https://blockchain.info/address/1ANfsdJuKeE1VmMFpoQqyLqDZef6hU4VVn
https://blockchain.info/address/1A2Qw4Y5P2ddxqnQ84pjJNnHJBpvb9ySXD
https://blockchain.info/address/15Q5Y8HjAqdxHvCA6gNXi8TtUt1UbrY1FT

Every transaction that come to the wallet (which is I belive from Signature Campaign), will be directly send to another unknown address.
And every sent transaction always have adjacent intervals
So, It means that this 3 users controlled by a same person. Cool

1ANfsdJuKeE1VmMFpoQqyLqDZef6hU4VVn only has 2 transaction, one going in, other going out. 1 transaction without blockchain connection would not be claimed as proof by any serious investigator.

And the last out transaction happened less than 24 hours after the coinomat payment, so it is natural that some transactions happens close to each other. I bet that if you use the same criteria with all the 100+ accounts that are part of the coinomat signature, you would find many users that are not the same person with out transactions close to each other.

And of course you ignore the transactions that are far away from each other.

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Quote from: Malin Keshar on June 14, 2015, 12:02:07 PM

Quote from: hilariousandco on June 14, 2015, 11:42:23 AM

Quote from: (Lithium) on June 14, 2015, 11:27:39 AM

Giveaways claims are not spam.

That's arguable. When your only existence here is to largely claim giveaways (and cheat them) it's spam in my eyes but I'm not going to get into a discussion about what is and isn't spam and whether you are banned or not is up to the admins.

Quote from: (Lithium) on June 14, 2015, 11:27:39 AM

It is a choice of signature program's managers if they accept giveaways claims or not. Stunna used to accept giveaways claims in his PD signature campaign, for example.

This is irrelevant, still doesn't make it ok to cheat them by padding your character count.

Quote from: (Lithium) on June 14, 2015, 11:27:39 AM

(and less than 100 of my posts are in giveaways threads, any way).

On this account, but the others are worse but the numbers are besides the point.

Quote from: (Lithium) on June 14, 2015, 11:27:39 AM

And when you say that the others don't add too much might be because you are not interested about the subjects I mostly post. Right now I post more in gambling and about soccer, in the past in speculation, and I don't see you posting about such subjects.

Not interested in soccer? You should read my posts more, but again, irrelevant and this isn't about me but you.

Quote from: (Lithium) on June 14, 2015, 11:27:39 AM

And I purposed give back all the money I've earned with coinomat signature(or whatever amount they agree) and don't take part in any signature campaign for some weeks at least.

And I said I would take that into consideration but I'm not promising anything. You still tried to cheat and would have continued to do so had you not been caught.

My life is not even close of being only claiming giveaways.

My game and round count with this account: 49
My post count with this account: 1708 posts

And (lithium) has 32 game and rounds posts, from 281 he ever made.

I can't let it pass because you are s highly trusted member here and your opinions have much value in the administration's eyes, and you are trying to give the impression I'm only here to post in giveaways threads and do insubstantial posts, what is a lie. Even while in the coinomat campaign, the majority of my posts haven't been made in game and rounds threads and with no aid of small extra characters.

And you haven't even asked if all the accounts are mine and just say that they all belong to me as if it is self-evident and beyond all questions, without showing any definitive proof. Many users have posts made more or less closely than from others member without them being alts of each others, because they life in the same time region or just by coincidence.

You seem to be missing the point. You are scamming Coinomat by padding your short posts with random characters. How about addressing that.

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Quote from: (Lithium) on June 14, 2015, 11:39:15 AM

Quote from: ACCTseller on June 14, 2015, 11:32:18 AM

Quote from: (Lithium) on June 14, 2015, 11:27:39 AM

Quote from: hilariousandco on June 14, 2015, 11:03:41 AM

Quote from: --Encrypted-- on June 14, 2015, 10:00:22 AM

by the way, are you sure they deserve a -ve just for that?

Yes. They're cheating money out from a signature campaign which is dishonest.

Quote from: Quickseller on June 14, 2015, 11:00:20 AM

Quote from: botany on June 14, 2015, 10:58:11 AM

Quote from: --Encrypted-- on June 14, 2015, 10:00:22 AM

by the way, are you sure they deserve a -ve just for that?

This is debatable. I would have thought a ban is more likely / justified than negative trust.

What forum rule are they breaking?

Spamming. Half of the posts are just crap in the giveaways threads and the others aren't up to much.

Giveaways claims are not spam. Or half of the forum should be banned, including the members that create giveaway threads. If they were spam per se, the forum would have already banned all kings of giveaways, like they did with altcoin giveaways. It is a choice of signature program's managers if they accept giveaways claims or not. Stunna used to accept giveaways claims in his PD signature campaign, for example.
(and less than 100 of my posts are in giveaways threads, any way).

And when you say that the others don't add too much might be because you are not interested about the subjects I mostly post. Right now I post more in gambling and about soccer, in the past in speculation, and I don't see you posting about such subjects.

And I purposed give back all the money I've earned with coinomat signature(or whatever amount they agree) and don't take part in any signature campaign for some weeks at least. I think a neutral feedback would be more suitable, that way everyone would know about what I did, including signature campaign managers. Even users that scammed for many BTC or defaulted big loans got their trust back to neutral when they repaired the damage they did.
(but of course my opinion is biased)

Well the only reason why you are returning the money is because you were caught. Are all of these accounts yours? Do you have any others?

MalinKeshar is an alt of me.

And Vod used to remove their preventive negative trusts about people asking for loans after some time. One might say that the only reason they haven't scammed is because they get caught even before they could do something

time to save-quote

https://archive.is/k4WmK

Malin Keshar

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Quote from: hilariousandco on June 14, 2015, 11:42:23 AM

Quote from: (Lithium) on June 14, 2015, 11:27:39 AM

Giveaways claims are not spam.

That's arguable. When your only existence here is to largely claim giveaways (and cheat them) it's spam in my eyes but I'm not going to get into a discussion about what is and isn't spam and whether you are banned or not is up to the admins.

Quote from: (Lithium) on June 14, 2015, 11:27:39 AM

It is a choice of signature program's managers if they accept giveaways claims or not. Stunna used to accept giveaways claims in his PD signature campaign, for example.

This is irrelevant, still doesn't make it ok to cheat them by padding your character count.

Quote from: (Lithium) on June 14, 2015, 11:27:39 AM

(and less than 100 of my posts are in giveaways threads, any way).

On this account, but the others are worse but the numbers are besides the point.

Quote from: (Lithium) on June 14, 2015, 11:27:39 AM

And when you say that the others don't add too much might be because you are not interested about the subjects I mostly post. Right now I post more in gambling and about soccer, in the past in speculation, and I don't see you posting about such subjects.

Not interested in soccer? You should read my posts more, but again, irrelevant and this isn't about me but you.

Quote from: (Lithium) on June 14, 2015, 11:27:39 AM

And I purposed give back all the money I've earned with coinomat signature(or whatever amount they agree) and don't take part in any signature campaign for some weeks at least.

And I said I would take that into consideration but I'm not promising anything. You still tried to cheat and would have continued to do so had you not been caught.

My life is not even close of being only claiming giveaways.

My game and round count with this account: 49
My post count with this account: 1708 posts

And (lithium) has 32 game and rounds posts, from 281 he ever made.

I can't let it pass because you are s highly trusted member here and your opinions have much value in the administration's eyes, and you are trying to give the impression I'm only here to post in giveaways threads and do insubstantial posts, what is a lie. Even while in the coinomat campaign, the majority of my posts haven't been made in game and rounds threads and with no aid of small extra characters.

And you haven't even asked if all the accounts are mine and just say that they all belong to me as if it is self-evident and beyond all questions, without showing any definitive proof. Many users have posts made more or less closely than from others member without them being alts of each others, because they life in the same time region or just by coincidence.

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Quote from: (Lithium) on June 14, 2015, 11:27:39 AM

Giveaways claims are not spam.

That's arguable. When your only existence here is to largely claim giveaways (and cheat them) it's spam in my eyes but I'm not going to get into a discussion about what is and isn't spam and whether you are banned or not is up to the admins.

Quote from: (Lithium) on June 14, 2015, 11:27:39 AM

It is a choice of signature program's managers if they accept giveaways claims or not. Stunna used to accept giveaways claims in his PD signature campaign, for example.

This is irrelevant, still doesn't make it ok to cheat them by padding your character count.

Quote from: (Lithium) on June 14, 2015, 11:27:39 AM

(and less than 100 of my posts are in giveaways threads, any way).

On this account, but the others are worse but the numbers are besides the point.

Quote from: (Lithium) on June 14, 2015, 11:27:39 AM

And when you say that the others don't add too much might be because you are not interested about the subjects I mostly post. Right now I post more in gambling and about soccer, in the past in speculation, and I don't see you posting about such subjects.

Not interested in soccer? You should read my posts more, but again, irrelevant and this isn't about me but you.

Quote from: (Lithium) on June 14, 2015, 11:27:39 AM

And I purposed give back all the money I've earned with coinomat signature(or whatever amount they agree) and don't take part in any signature campaign for some weeks at least.

And I said I would take that into consideration but I'm not promising anything. You still tried to cheat and would have continued to do so had you not been caught.

(Lithium)

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Quote from: ACCTseller on June 14, 2015, 11:32:18 AM

Quote from: (Lithium) on June 14, 2015, 11:27:39 AM

Quote from: hilariousandco on June 14, 2015, 11:03:41 AM

Quote from: --Encrypted-- on June 14, 2015, 10:00:22 AM

by the way, are you sure they deserve a -ve just for that?

Yes. They're cheating money out from a signature campaign which is dishonest.

Quote from: Quickseller on June 14, 2015, 11:00:20 AM

Quote from: botany on June 14, 2015, 10:58:11 AM

Quote from: --Encrypted-- on June 14, 2015, 10:00:22 AM

by the way, are you sure they deserve a -ve just for that?

This is debatable. I would have thought a ban is more likely / justified than negative trust.

What forum rule are they breaking?

Spamming. Half of the posts are just crap in the giveaways threads and the others aren't up to much.

Giveaways claims are not spam. Or half of the forum should be banned, including the members that create giveaway threads. If they were spam per se, the forum would have already banned all kings of giveaways, like they did with altcoin giveaways. It is a choice of signature program's managers if they accept giveaways claims or not. Stunna used to accept giveaways claims in his PD signature campaign, for example.
(and less than 100 of my posts are in giveaways threads, any way).

And when you say that the others don't add too much might be because you are not interested about the subjects I mostly post. Right now I post more in gambling and about soccer, in the past in speculation, and I don't see you posting about such subjects.

And I purposed give back all the money I've earned with coinomat signature(or whatever amount they agree) and don't take part in any signature campaign for some weeks at least. I think a neutral feedback would be more suitable, that way everyone would know about what I did, including signature campaign managers. Even users that scammed for many BTC or defaulted big loans got their trust back to neutral when they repaired the damage they did.
(but of course my opinion is biased)

Well the only reason why you are returning the money is because you were caught. Are all of these accounts yours? Do you have any others?

MalinKeshar is an alt of me.

And Vod used to remove their preventive negative trusts about people asking for loans after some time. One might say that the only reason they haven't scammed is because they get caught even before they could do something

ACCTseller

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Quote from: (Lithium) on June 14, 2015, 11:27:39 AM

Quote from: hilariousandco on June 14, 2015, 11:03:41 AM

Quote from: --Encrypted-- on June 14, 2015, 10:00:22 AM

by the way, are you sure they deserve a -ve just for that?

Yes. They're cheating money out from a signature campaign which is dishonest.

Quote from: Quickseller on June 14, 2015, 11:00:20 AM

Quote from: botany on June 14, 2015, 10:58:11 AM

Quote from: --Encrypted-- on June 14, 2015, 10:00:22 AM

by the way, are you sure they deserve a -ve just for that?

This is debatable. I would have thought a ban is more likely / justified than negative trust.

What forum rule are they breaking?

Spamming. Half of the posts are just crap in the giveaways threads and the others aren't up to much.

Giveaways claims are not spam. Or half of the forum should be banned, including the members that create giveaway threads. If they were spam per se, the forum would have already banned all kings of giveaways, like they did with altcoin giveaways. It is a choice of signature program's managers if they accept giveaways claims or not. Stunna used to accept giveaways claims in his PD signature campaign, for example.
(and less than 100 of my posts are in giveaways threads, any way).

And when you say that the others don't add too much might be because you are not interested about the subjects I mostly post. Right now I post more in gambling and about soccer, in the past in speculation, and I don't see you posting about such subjects.

And I purposed give back all the money I've earned with coinomat signature(or whatever amount they agree) and don't take part in any signature campaign for some weeks at least. I think a neutral feedback would be more suitable, that way everyone would know about what I did, including signature campaign managers. Even users that scammed for many BTC or defaulted big loans got their trust back to neutral when they repaired the damage they did.
(but of course my opinion is biased)

Well the only reason why you are returning the money is because you were caught. Are all of these accounts yours? Do you have any others?

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Quote from: (Lithium) on June 14, 2015, 11:27:39 AM

Quote from: hilariousandco on June 14, 2015, 11:03:41 AM

Quote from: --Encrypted-- on June 14, 2015, 10:00:22 AM

by the way, are you sure they deserve a -ve just for that?

Yes. They're cheating money out from a signature campaign which is dishonest.

Quote from: Quickseller on June 14, 2015, 11:00:20 AM

Quote from: botany on June 14, 2015, 10:58:11 AM

Quote from: --Encrypted-- on June 14, 2015, 10:00:22 AM

by the way, are you sure they deserve a -ve just for that?

This is debatable. I would have thought a ban is more likely / justified than negative trust.

What forum rule are they breaking?

Spamming. Half of the posts are just crap in the giveaways threads and the others aren't up to much.

Giveaways claims are not spam. Or half of the forum should be banned, including the members that create giveaway threads. If they were spam per se, the forum would have already banned all kings of giveaways, like they did with altcoin giveaways. It is a choice of signature program's managers if they accept giveaways claims or not. Stunna used to accept giveaways claims in his PD signature campaign, for example.
(and less than 100 of my posts are in giveaways threads, any way).

And when you say that the others don't add too much might be because you are not interested about the subjects I mostly post. Right now I post more in gambling and about soccer, in the past in speculation, and I don't see you posting about such subjects.

And I purposed give back all the money I've earned with coinomat signature(or whatever amount they agree) and don't take part in any signature campaign for some weeks at least. I think a neutral feedback would be more suitable, that way everyone would know about what I did, including signature campaign managers. Even users that scammed for many BTC or defaulted big loans got their trust back to neutral when they repaired the damage they did.
(but of course my opinion is biased)

But, is it fair if you joining a giveaway with more than 1 account?

(Lithium)

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Quote from: hilariousandco on June 14, 2015, 11:03:41 AM

Quote from: --Encrypted-- on June 14, 2015, 10:00:22 AM

by the way, are you sure they deserve a -ve just for that?

Yes. They're cheating money out from a signature campaign which is dishonest.

Quote from: Quickseller on June 14, 2015, 11:00:20 AM

Quote from: botany on June 14, 2015, 10:58:11 AM

Quote from: --Encrypted-- on June 14, 2015, 10:00:22 AM

by the way, are you sure they deserve a -ve just for that?

This is debatable. I would have thought a ban is more likely / justified than negative trust.

What forum rule are they breaking?

Spamming. Half of the posts are just crap in the giveaways threads and the others aren't up to much.

Giveaways claims are not spam. Or half of the forum should be banned, including the members that create giveaway threads. If they were spam per se, the forum would have already banned all kings of giveaways, like they did with altcoin giveaways. It is a choice of signature program's managers if they accept giveaways claims or not. Stunna used to accept giveaways claims in his PD signature campaign, for example.
(and less than 100 of my posts are in giveaways threads, any way).

And when you say that the others don't add too much might be because you are not interested about the subjects I mostly post. Right now I post more in gambling and about soccer, in the past in speculation, and I don't see you posting about such subjects.

And I purposed give back all the money I've earned with coinomat signature(or whatever amount they agree) and don't take part in any signature campaign for some weeks at least. I think a neutral feedback would be more suitable, that way everyone would know about what I did, including signature campaign managers. Even users that scammed for many BTC or defaulted big loans got their trust back to neutral when they repaired the damage they did.
(but of course my opinion is biased)

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Quote from: hilariousandco on June 14, 2015, 11:10:54 AM

Quote from: BTCBLOGGER on June 14, 2015, 11:04:14 AM

Marcotheminer himself making more than one post where one post is sufficient.
I saw he got 3 loan request when he saw those three requests he quoted each request and Sorry denied,
Denied, sorry but denied.
Awesome guy made a signature bot to scam bit-x.

That isn't relevant to this thread. Report the posts if you feel they're breaking the rules. Double/triple posts would normally be removed if they should/could be made in just one.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11614681
I will not report it decreases my prediction accuracy as he is a trusted member.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on June 14, 2015, 11:10:54 AM

Quote from: BTCBLOGGER on June 14, 2015, 11:04:14 AM

Marcotheminer himself making more than one post where one post is sufficient.
I saw he got 3 loan request when he saw those three requests he quoted each request and Sorry denied,
Denied, sorry but denied.
Awesome guy made a signature bot to scam bit-x.

That isn't relevant to this thread. Report the posts if you feel they're breaking the rules. Double/triple posts would normally be removed if they should/could be made in just one.

I think his point is that his bot makes it too easy to scam the site that is buying member's signature space.

I think this is a good example as to why counting posts should not be automated

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Quote from: BTCBLOGGER on June 14, 2015, 11:04:14 AM

Marcotheminer himself making more than one post where one post is sufficient.
I saw he got 3 loan request when he saw those three requests he quoted each request and Sorry denied,
Denied, sorry but denied.
Awesome guy made a signature bot to scam bit-x.

That isn't relevant to this thread. Report the posts if you feel they're breaking the rules. Double/triple posts would normally be removed if they should/could be made in just one.

BTCBLOGGER

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Marcotheminer himself making more than one post where one post is sufficient.
I saw he got 3 loan request when he saw those three requests he quoted each request and Sorry denied,
Denied, sorry but denied.
Awesome guy made a signature bot to scam bit-x.

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Quote from: --Encrypted-- on June 14, 2015, 10:00:22 AM

by the way, are you sure they deserve a -ve just for that?

Yes. They're cheating money out from a signature campaign which is dishonest.

Quote from: Quickseller on June 14, 2015, 11:00:20 AM

Quote from: botany on June 14, 2015, 10:58:11 AM

Quote from: --Encrypted-- on June 14, 2015, 10:00:22 AM

by the way, are you sure they deserve a -ve just for that?

This is debatable. I would have thought a ban is more likely / justified than negative trust.

What forum rule are they breaking?

Spamming. Half of the posts are just crap in the giveaways threads and the others aren't up to much.

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Quote from: Quickseller on June 14, 2015, 11:00:20 AM

Quote from: botany on June 14, 2015, 10:58:11 AM

Quote from: --Encrypted-- on June 14, 2015, 10:00:22 AM

by the way, are you sure they deserve a -ve just for that?

This is debatable. I would have thought a ban is more likely / justified than negative trust.

What forum rule are they breaking?

Pasting gibberish (even in an unreadable font) would constitute spam.

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Quote from: botany on June 14, 2015, 10:58:11 AM

Quote from: --Encrypted-- on June 14, 2015, 10:00:22 AM

by the way, are you sure they deserve a -ve just for that?

This is debatable. I would have thought a ban is more likely / justified than negative trust.

What forum rule are they breaking?

botany

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Quote from: --Encrypted-- on June 14, 2015, 10:00:22 AM

by the way, are you sure they deserve a -ve just for that?

This is debatable. I would have thought a ban is more likely / justified than negative trust.

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This seems clever. But yes its cheating the campaign.

Quote from: Jeremycoin on June 14, 2015, 10:31:50 AM

I don't even know there is bot for this kind of thing
Using a bot is a very bad thing, because the others trying hard to make constructive posts. But this person do it with cheating Angry

There doesn't have to be a bot for it. They could just randomly type things at the end and get to the word count required. This way they don't have to drag on to their normal text.

Quote from: Jeremycoin on June 14, 2015, 10:43:27 AM

So, It means that this 3 users controlled by a same person. Cool

Having multiple accounts is not the problem. Even if they are alts it shouldn't matter . All accounts have got the negative trust from hilariousandco .

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Take a look at this
I just investigated these 3 address from each user
https://blockchain.info/address/1ANfsdJuKeE1VmMFpoQqyLqDZef6hU4VVn
https://blockchain.info/address/1A2Qw4Y5P2ddxqnQ84pjJNnHJBpvb9ySXD
https://blockchain.info/address/15Q5Y8HjAqdxHvCA6gNXi8TtUt1UbrY1FT

Every transaction that come to the wallet (which is I belive from Signature Campaign), will be directly send to another unknown address.
And every sent transaction always have adjacent intervals
So, It means that this 3 users controlled by a same person. Cool

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thanks for pointing it out, OP. forwarded this thread to coinomat!

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