Topic: Sexual abuse in catholic church - enough already! (Read 374 times)

But I still believe that there are still many good people who commit sexual harassment, but it is undeniable that in this era of social media that has advanced this news quickly spread so unsettling, but naturally there must be more changes so that not many parents also become restless.

To poster above me, when a CHILD is concerned, it doesn't have to be forced to be criminal. A child does not have the capacity to consent. When a child i involved, it CANNOT be deemed as voluntary ever!

The problem with the Church is that they usually attempt to deal with these sorts of events internally, as they will typically settle with people (civilly) for a good deal of money to simply hush up. People don't seem to understand that this hush money really doesn't hold up against criminal charges -- or people take too long to even report these acts.

Plus, it's a VERY VERY VERY VERY tough thing to prove -- be it a month after the incident, or about 30 years after the incident. Unless there's some sort of genital fluids left that could be recovered -- and shown to be forceful -- then we're in a situation where it's a person vs person on who's lying and who's not, and that isn't something that Attorney Generals / District Attorneys, want to try to fight (and most likely lose) in court.

Many innocents children are being victim of this sexual abuse that catholic church is the one of the suspects , mostly catholic priests are involved. Its a crime equal to rape and they must put to jail , and i think government should do the actions about this kind of situation where in catholic church also oppose some of the governments in most countries.

That’s the problem and I blame the government as well, if a priest commits such a crime or sexual abuse, He is under the law and the law should deal with the Priest and not the Catholic Church. The Church only has jurisdiction in the Vatican and not the rest of the world.

Sexual abuse happens a lot and not just in the Catholic Church. But what really disgusts me is how they treat said abuses. A lot of priests who are accused of sexual abuse are just sent to a different location. Some do not face their crimes. The RCC seem to kind of dismiss them in their own way. There really is no significant solution being done but just monetary compensation to the people who were abused. It's like, here's money, shut up.

Careful what you wish for.  It looks to me as though in certain organizations, including many governments, pedophilia is "not a bug, it's a feature."

Certain of these religious organizations have centuries of practice of finding, cultivating, and promoting pedos and other degenerate psychopaths and don't really need 'brain scans' to be successful.  Unfortunately they can use their well honed expertise to keep our governments stocked with their kind, and they have a great deal of interest in doing so.

Pedophile brain scans would cover both straight and gay clergy.

If I were Pope I would allocate few million to root out pedophiles from my organization. Administer routine brain scans, just like some companies do random drug testing.

They are sitting on 200+ billions, spend some money to correct the issue!

I agree with both of the underlined statements above. The entire situation is very sad. Pedophilia, however, is not the best word to describe the problem. The worst of the sickness here is homosexual ephebophilia

"The recent John Jay College of Criminal Justice studies (2004, 2001 and 2016)  “The Causes and Context of Sexual Abuse of Minors by Catholic Priests in the United States, 1950-2010,” found that only 4% of the 6,000 identified abusive priests were pedophiles. 80% of the victims in the Church have been males, and involved post-pubescent teen age boys.

The 2011 report also shows 81% abuse to be homosexual in nature."

Telling the truth and spring-cleaning the Church
30 Aug 2018
http://www.anglican.ink/article/gay-predators-telling-truth-and-spring-cleaning-church


Talking about the real problem would require one to discuss:

#1 The large number of Catholic clergy who are gay in the USA; and not only gay, but sexually active.

#2 The prevalence in that community of individuals who are interested in homosexual ephebophilia North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) types as well as those tempted to such things.    

#3 The logic result of establishing a clerical celibacy policy that forbids marriage or heterosexual activity but tolerates homosexual activity.

These are not politically correct to discuss to certain segments of society so we don't hear much about it.

Problem is in the HR department, that is where the gap is.

Who is the CEO?  Pope.
Who is on the board of directors?  Roman Curia and Pope.
Who hires Archbishops/Bishops?  Board of directors
Who hires/assigns priests to any church? Bishop

The issue is with their vetting procedure.  So if the top is like you said "jam-packed full of pedos", you can only imagine their hiring/vetting procedures.

It is a systemic problem, and for some reason, they cannot fix it?  My guess is they don't want to fix it because the guys at the top are protecting their own.

If you hire a pedophile to work with kids in the kindergarten you can expect there will be abuse.  The same goes for any other organization.

Background checks (brain scans?) need to be done for all clergy because these people work with young kids.  And we know this organization has a systemic problem.

There isn't supposed to be any sexual abuse at all, anywhere, ever.

The Church is a place that preaches against, and attempts to reduce all kinds of, bad and evil, sexual abuse included.

The sexual abuse in the Church should stop. But the news about it should increase - as long as it is happening - so that we start to use our heads and think. What should we be thinking about? Here's what.

If the place - the Church - that is trying to get rid of sexual abuse, has enough sexual abuse in it that the abuse has become newsworthy, what about all the places that are not trying to stamp out evil, as is the church?

Consider the sexual abuse that must be going on in government, big corporations, the police and other law enforcement, the military, AND ESPECIALLY THE MEDIA which doesn't report their own sexual abuse, and the abuse their own people do, just so they can look pure enough to report on the Church... the Church, which is trying to do away with all evil including sexual abuse... while many of those other organizations don't even have getting rid of evil as their goal.

If somebody were to do a comprehensive investigation into sexual abuse done by the media, I wonder what he would find.

every person has his weaknesses.we are no right to judge anyone else. Even though he has served the Lord, he is able to keep them from sin because of the weakness of the person. That is why we make way,so that we can not cause the fall a man in sin.

There are some large gaps in your logic here. Lets say for the sake of argument, lets agree the Vatican is top down just jam packed full of pedos. Still, that is just the organizational structure, the bureaucrats. That is not the same thing as churches. Are some churches used as cover for these activities? Without a doubt. NINETY PERCENT though? I have been to parts of the US where there is a church every few hundred yards. For NINETY percent of churches to be involved they would have to be raping every child on the Eastern seaboard.

Scale it down a bit here. Try to stick with the facts. This subject doesn't need any embellishment it just serves as obfuscation for the perpetrators and it is already fantastical enough.

Yet again, TecShare and I agree about something on this forum.

But yes, I don't think that it's fair to just blame the Catholic Church for these sorts of issues. I think these are present in MANY other organizations, and the reason that the Catholic Church is taking a good deal of heat about it due to their size -- as I wouldn't doubt this happens in other organizations.

Just thought I'd chime in since I've been researching various theories about religious history lately.  Here's a theory which I neither believe or dis-believe, but do find interesting.

The Catholic church was constituted around the time that Constantine took the Roman empire Christian.  'Catholic' means basically 'unified' in Latin.

At that point the 'scribes' and 'pharisees' saw their opportunity to sneak back in through the back door.  These people had been the engine of Judaism and the ones who Jesus had a beef with.  He didn't dig their deceit, their ethnic supremacy, their baby rape, etc.  So, the thesis is that the Catholic Church started out being 'of the Devil' and at it's core it never really deviated.  As a casual observer I must say that the hypothesis does seem to have explanatory power.

On top of that, many modern Christian sects stem from the Catholic church, and many of them seem to display some of the more nasty aspects of mothership even while they reject (outwardly) certain of the doctrine.  Just recently a lot of new and particularly nasty forms of Christianity seem to be sprouting up at an alarming rate...watered by vast sums of debt-based money.  The so-called 'New Age' so-called 'Christian' churches/cults are a good example though many more established orders seem to be 'judizing' quickly as well.

Here's the apparently widely hated on super-troll Pastor Steven Anderson's break-down of the modern Christian family tree.  Fun for everyone since he happens to be quite listenable (albeit possibly quite inaccurate and lacking of rigor.):

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyCXpD_A3xs

The whole organization is suspect because they were complicit in the crimes.  It is like doing raids on gang members in different crack houses.

Why not?  Just because it is an organization that scams people and promises them afterlife?

The management of this business is responsible.  All operations should be investigated.

You have gone off the deep end.

Check the statistics, almost all cases of child molestation are unreported.

http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1863650,00.html

I suspect that this problem is bigger than people realize.  Think about it, grown men do not have sex with women/men for most of their lives, what you think happens to them?  Their sexual confidence is shattered, they wack off to whatever they can, eventually become sexually deviant and want to fuck anything that moves.  The fact that they do not have normal sexual lives with other adult men or women is really affecting them psychologically.

I bet you there is abuse in 9 out of 10 churches.

At least pretend to be realistic. There's no denying that the church has been complicit in at least some of the crimes committed by it's 'employees', but as in any other situation, tarring everyone with the same brush never turns out well for anyone. It's the same as saying 'All Muslims are the same', 'All Americans are the same', etc. etc. It creates a siege mentality and doesn't solve anything in the long run. Hopefully we will see more convictions of those who have been involved either directly or indirectly through covering up, and going forward, more checks and balances in place to prevent (or at least reduce the risk of) it happening in the future.

Rape, it's the most hideous sin of men. Having a rape issue within the catholic church is an old issue. Their pope should dictate a new rule, adding castration to all ordained catholic priests.

Castration is the only solution for them if they wanted to save themselves from the dangers of hell they created.