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legendary
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March 28, 2015, 12:25:23 AM
#44
There are a lot of people who sign their PM's with "regards" and I would find it conceivable that people would sign messages in similar ways.

The tl;dr way to protect yourself from possible fake feedback is to only accept feedback from people you trust, and if your trading partner does not have enough of that then use escrow

Given all the previous evidence provided, all the users posts are in shdvb's thread (probably signed the messaged out of habit and didn't realize it possibly because he's been doing it so long), and the fact that this has been an ongoing thing for awhile, I'd lean more to the fact that shdvb is manipulating the trust and bump features to make his services look more popular than they actually are. This was a major problem from the previous sites he has been on.
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March 28, 2015, 12:04:11 AM
#43
There are a lot of people who sign their PM's with "regards" and I would find it conceivable that people would sign messages in similar ways.

The tl;dr way to protect yourself from possible fake feedback is to only accept feedback from people you trust, and if your trading partner does not have enough of that then use escrow
legendary
Activity: 1022
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March 27, 2015, 11:43:45 PM
#42
Does anyone find it suspicious that there is still constant newbie accounts posting on shdvb's thread and giving him feedback? Some of the new accounts created are still only posting in his thread.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583572.980

Example: This account has only posted in SHDVB's thread and finishes a lot of his messages with "regards" - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fallers7-463790

SHDVB finishes a lot of his messages with "regards" too

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Regards,
Shdvb Smiley


Found this in just a couple minutes of browsing. There's probably a lot more to be found.
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December 22, 2014, 07:45:54 AM
#41
Considering the fact that the staff members haven't posted in this thread for almost three weeks now, I'd say the matter was resolved.
legendary
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December 21, 2014, 11:59:32 AM
#40
I don't know about others but I did 4 to 5 trade with him and all went fine. There were no single delay and problem With the transections.
legendary
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December 21, 2014, 06:42:32 AM
#39
If people spent a quarter of the time on actual proven scammers as they do searching for scammers and being social justice warriors, scamming would be nearly eradicated here by now.

I'm not accusing him of scamming, the majority of people posting missed the point. The people posting about successful trades doesn't change the fact he could be hiring people or having people he knows personally vouch for him to make his thread larger and increase his business. Like half of the people do on the site that this guy comes from.
No you are missing the point. He might also be innocent. You made your notifications, you just seem to be harping on it now as if you expect someone to do something about it. If you spent even a small portion of that time you spend deeply searching for scammers, actually looking into proven scammers, there would be a lot fewer scammers on this forum, but IMO you enjoy being a "justice warrior" because it is a boost to your ego, at the expense of your targets who may or may not make technical infractions. In summation you are a "busybody" who should refocus their efforts if you actually intend to improve this community. Picking random people out of a hat and pointing out they looks suspicious over and over doesn't really do anything other than document your suspicion. If you really want to serve this community, use that busybody energy researching actual proven scammers. What you are doing currently really serves no one but yourself.
legendary
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December 20, 2014, 11:29:55 PM
#38
If people spent a quarter of the time on actual proven scammers as they do searching for scammers and being social justice warriors, scamming would be nearly eradicated here by now.

I'm not accusing him of scamming, the majority of people posting missed the point. The people posting about successful trades doesn't change the fact he could be hiring people or having people he knows personally vouch for him to make his thread larger and increase his business. Like half of the people do on the site that this guy comes from.
legendary
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December 20, 2014, 11:14:20 PM
#37
If people spent a quarter of the time on actual proven scammers as they do searching for scammers and being social justice warriors, scamming would be nearly eradicated here by now.
sr. member
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December 20, 2014, 12:04:40 AM
#36
If you're looking for somebody that doesn't have a newbie account and who has done thousands of USD worth of business with shdvb, here I am.

I am not rewarded for posting feedback, but always felt I could help forum members out by drawing attention to a guy who will do a great/fast exchange and never leave you feeling worried.  He has his own web site and is a huge virtual currency retailer (WoW, RuneScape, etc...)  He seems to be making extra income from selling VC as far as I can tell... why would he scam anyone when he can make a decent commission doing honest trades?

Realize that any trader will need to vary commission rates based on payment type (MoneyPak versus Western Union, etc...)  simply risk versus reward...

But back on topic.... take a microscope to my account and you'll see that my interest lies in BTC and alts.  I've bought plenty of BTC from shdvb, I look for good deals on trades and buy at acceptable rates from various forum members.

Take a small amount of money and ship it to him, you'll get BTC  Smiley

Stick around shdvb...  this place needs you...   Cool
newbie
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December 04, 2014, 02:16:02 PM
#35
I am one of shdvb's VERY happy customers, although I haven't actually bought from him in a couple of months. The fact is he gives a fast, efficient service and is welcoming to newbies. Then, when you have finished the trade he asks you to leave a vouch in his thread and offers a bonus on your next trade for doing so (or at least used to). There is nothing going on scam-wise there, he is just running a great exchange business.

I would be happy for someone trusted to check the PM's between myself and him from a few months ago.
legendary
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December 04, 2014, 01:21:55 AM
#34
The reason I doubt Shdvb's legitimacy in these trades is because he's been involved in sketchy activities in the past to increase his business and gain more customers. He's been around awhile so he knows everything there is to manipulating the trade system to his favor. Whether it's legal or illegal, it'd be considered unethical and immoral by most people. One of the cases was this here (http://www.sythe.org/sythe-org-news/1641339-accepting-stolen-gold-against-rules-schedule-punishments.html) where this rule was specifically made for traders like shdvb. Shdvb and other traders went unpunished because it was so prevalent with the Chinese gold sellers that banning them all would hurt the site because they make up probably 90% of the MMORPG trading market. This also included other sellers. The traders participated in mass money laundering effectively helping the scammers cash out $1,000,000's. The MMORPG scene is heavily involved in the black market because scammers, hackers, and carders are able to use the virtual currency to exchange into real currency in mass amounts with traders like shdvb. It's also an easy target because the general age group is teenagers. Just a little back story on what shdvb has participated in. When this problem was being addressed, I doubted the Chinese MMORPG exchangers (and any other exchangers) and their workers (For the ones who had them) would listen as this was their primary source of income. Only after several bans of people who exchanged upwards of millions of dollars, the message was finally heard and traders like shdvb tightened up their trading procedures in fear of losing their main source of income. They still knowingly accept mass amounts of stolen goods and convert them to fiat for the scammers to cash out, but they make sure that nothing ties back to them knowing that it was stolen property. In turn, it shows that these massive exchangers are good at covering things up and not letting anything tie back to them that would ultimately destroy their main source of income.

Now if you've seen what I've seen you too would be skeptical of shdvb's large amount of feedback and posts to his service thread from inactive and new members. I wouldn't doubt that shdvb is telling the truth, but with the backstory you might think twice before saying your 100% positive that he's being truthful.

Your post shows a problem is people who accept stolen golds/money make up this market.Well I could tell you that if any sellers like me who knows the customer's gold/money is stolen,he wont accept it at all. Since its online trades,its very easily to get money reversed in some cases.Everytime I do accept money from people who pays me Skrill I need to check his funds source on screenshare /join.me to check his source and call to confirm the payer's Identity.Just my feedback grow fast doesn means I will too much stolen money.I never accept stolen money,if I want I could just go to silkroad to open a thread to make more bigger moeny to help those guys who do money lundering lol.

Obviously I dont do that.
legendary
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December 04, 2014, 12:43:15 AM
#33
I obviously know you know how everything works because I've traded with you a lot before, which is the reason I'm skeptical here. I know you complete a high volume of trades you and you're always looking for the most effective ways to get more customers and beat the competition, even if that means taking an unfair and questionable route to get there. Like knowingly receiving stolen goods, when that large trader was banned as an example and you got off without punishment, you're not scamming but the methods you use to get more business would be considered unethical or unfair by some people.

Wardrick, are you and shdvb competitors? I think a full disclosure might be useful here.


It will be impressive and I'll be very surprised if he can provide sufficient proof. He just PMd me this:

Just see your post,I've dealt them a lot not fake accs.I have no time and no need to hire them ,but people\s doubt can be unstandable.

Do you just need TX ID or need TXID and Skrill and chat history?

also you need a screenshot or you need to watch on skype screenshare/join.me?


Regards
 Smiley

I asked him to post all proof publicly in this thread. I've also asked BadBear to check the accounts so it should be cleared up soon enough.

hilariousandco, he is offering you Skype screen sharing to verify some of his deals. Why don't you take him up on it? Just go through several months worth of tx and cross ref with his forum vouches.

No, I only exchange to get BTC and to get rid of any of the extra I have that I don't need. I just recently bumped up my exchange thread and I messaged Tomatocage awhile ago about this. He's already shown proof of the transactions so there's not much else to do.
member
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December 04, 2014, 12:39:16 AM
#32
I obviously know you know how everything works because I've traded with you a lot before, which is the reason I'm skeptical here. I know you complete a high volume of trades you and you're always looking for the most effective ways to get more customers and beat the competition, even if that means taking an unfair and questionable route to get there. Like knowingly receiving stolen goods, when that large trader was banned as an example and you got off without punishment, you're not scamming but the methods you use to get more business would be considered unethical or unfair by some people.

Wardrick, are you and shdvb competitors? I think a full disclosure might be useful here.


It will be impressive and I'll be very surprised if he can provide sufficient proof. He just PMd me this:

Just see your post,I've dealt them a lot not fake accs.I have no time and no need to hire them ,but people\s doubt can be unstandable.

Do you just need TX ID or need TXID and Skrill and chat history?

also you need a screenshot or you need to watch on skype screenshare/join.me?


Regards
 Smiley

I asked him to post all proof publicly in this thread. I've also asked BadBear to check the accounts so it should be cleared up soon enough. 

hilariousandco, he is offering you Skype screen sharing to verify some of his deals. Why don't you take him up on it? Just go through several months worth of tx and cross ref with his forum vouches.
legendary
Activity: 1022
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December 04, 2014, 12:18:16 AM
#31
The reason I doubt Shdvb's legitimacy in these trades is because he's been involved in sketchy activities in the past to increase his business and gain more customers. He's been around awhile so he knows everything there is to manipulating the trade system to his favor. Whether it's legal or illegal, it'd be considered unethical and immoral by most people. One of the cases was this here (http://www.sythe.org/sythe-org-news/1641339-accepting-stolen-gold-against-rules-schedule-punishments.html) where this rule was specifically made for traders like shdvb. Shdvb and other traders went unpunished because it was so prevalent with the Chinese gold sellers that banning them all would hurt the site because they make up probably 90% of the MMORPG trading market. This also included other sellers. The traders participated in mass money laundering effectively helping the scammers cash out $1,000,000's. The MMORPG scene is heavily involved in the black market because scammers, hackers, and carders are able to use the virtual currency to exchange into real currency in mass amounts with traders like shdvb. It's also an easy target because the general age group is teenagers. Just a little back story on what shdvb has participated in. When this problem was being addressed, I doubted the Chinese MMORPG exchangers (and any other exchangers) and their workers (For the ones who had them) would listen as this was their primary source of income. Only after several bans of people who exchanged upwards of millions of dollars, the message was finally heard and traders like shdvb tightened up their trading procedures in fear of losing their main source of income. They still knowingly accept mass amounts of stolen goods and convert them to fiat for the scammers to cash out, but they make sure that nothing ties back to them knowing that it was stolen property. In turn, it shows that these massive exchangers are good at covering things up and not letting anything tie back to them that would ultimately destroy their main source of income.

Now if you've seen what I've seen you too would be skeptical of shdvb's large amount of feedback and posts to his service thread from inactive and new members. I wouldn't doubt that shdvb is telling the truth, but with the backstory you might think twice before saying your 100% positive that he's being truthful.
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December 04, 2014, 12:01:40 AM
#30
To be honest, I don't really care; even if he did it to get others to trust him, he didn't scam anyone, so I personally don't mind. It can be difficult to establish trust. But that's just my opinion.
legendary
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December 03, 2014, 10:33:53 PM
#29
@wunkbone: If forum staff and admin requires ,I could screenshare all conversation history on skype screenshare .
sr. member
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December 03, 2014, 10:10:58 PM
#28
@wunkbone : Not everyone talk via PM to initiate transactions.Chadwicksr talked to me for months,months ago I give him my skype and right now we talk via  skype.I could screenshare you all conversations history.
That is fair enough. I was trying to think of a way to prove with very few potential doubts the trades actually took place.

Could still post Skype logs, as those don't get deleted.
He posted screenshots but they could potentially be faked (I am not trying to accuse anyone of anything, but am trying to find a way to prove for 100% sure the trades took place).

One thing he could potentially do is sign a message from an address funds were sent from to prove he did not just find a random TX that matched the amount in question. Although it would be understandable if he cannot because many people will disregard a private key once it has been used once
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December 03, 2014, 10:01:24 PM
#27
@wunkbone : Not everyone talk via PM to initiate transactions.Chadwicksr talked to me for months,months ago I give him my skype and right now we talk via  skype.I could screenshare you all conversations history.
That is fair enough. I was trying to think of a way to prove with very few potential doubts the trades actually took place.

Could still post Skype logs, as those don't get deleted.
sr. member
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December 03, 2014, 09:38:28 PM
#26
@wunkbone : Not everyone talk via PM to initiate transactions.Chadwicksr talked to me for months,months ago I give him my skype and right now we talk via  skype.I could screenshare you all conversations history.
That is fair enough. I was trying to think of a way to prove with very few potential doubts the trades actually took place.
legendary
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December 03, 2014, 09:34:03 PM
#25
@wunkbone : Not everyone talk via PM to initiate transactions.Chadwicksr talked to me for months,months ago I give him my skype and right now we talk via  skype.I could screenshare you all conversations history.
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