Topic: Shdvb - Potential Fake Feedback - page 2. (Read 3039 times)

Did you ever communicate with Shdvb via PM to initiate the transaction? If so would you be able to allow a trusted member (maybe tomatocage) to temporarily access your account to confirm that there are PM messages made at times similar to when you posted feedback?

@Wardrick: I just read chadwicksr posted,I think he has explained everything.People found me and can deal everytime and get BTC,they dont need to be active anymore on other sections and from what I have traded with,they are glad to give me a vouch plus a +1 feedback.As for newbie accounts posted so many feedback/vouches on thread makes it looks like spammy. I could say as long as its not useless or meaningless post,it is not spam.Maybe it is 'spammy' for you but this is business on a forum.If you were me and can also get those customer,I think you could do this as well to make your thread more popular and thus gain more sales.

Regards,
Shdvb

I feel I should speak out about this as my name is being used.

I agree it could look bad, but I joined not long ago to buy BTC. Contacted Shdvb first and never needed to use anyone else.
Never been much of an active user on any forum.

I come here for the marketplace. I’m happy to help Shdvb with feedback. I see it like ebay feedback. He gets his post bumped and a +1. I get my BTC. We've built up trust together which could help me trade with others should I need to and same for him. I prefer this forum over LBC any day. So it’s in my interests that he does well.

As for single transactions. Yes it’s a privacy move with good reason now. Thought everybody did this.

That doesn't address anything I said, I never said you got banned. Also it's pretty obvious they do or else they would of had multiple transactions on the ones you posted. I'm saying Salmon is the only member that I thought was legit and coincidently he's the only one with a used address, that doesn't mean I'm right. It's not against the rules to post feedback on your thread, although people probably think it's incredibly spammy and annoying to have brand new accounts spamming your thread without posting anywhere else, but it's not against the rules. What is is creating alt accounts to give yourself feedback and bump your thread which is what it looked like, and what a majority of people do from the site you come from. That doesn't mean you do it, just that a large % of the people on the site you're on do it. Anyway, I'm glad to see you aren'r creating alt accounts. I'm still skeptical that you don't know these people on a closer level or that there's more behind this, but that's just my opinion.

Do not spread roumour,I never hired anyone to bump and I never got banned on other forums.Whats wrong with you Wardrick,you can also let all your customers post vouches on your thread and vouch for you after you dealed with them.I dont think this is against forum rules(If it is,let a mod or admin post here,I wont do again).If not ill keep doing to make myself and this community active.


PS: @Wardrick: Btctrader56 and chadwicksr use different address everytime while Salmon use the same one address everytime.
AS for English or Chinese address,I could make any address to any country language if you want.Just my default address is Chinese,I click and link on thread,or I can just got to blockchain and paste the address and get an English one.Also I can choose any country to make any country language one.

Your doubt is okay and good.I could also understand that,but dont post anything against me if you dont know the truth.Like I never hired anyone to bump for me and I never used fake accounts or got temp banned on other forums.


Regards,
Shdvb

Thanks for posting, does anyone see anything out of line? All I see is that the MoneyBookers account names are American and Italian/French and one of the BTC addresses is in Chinese, where Shdvb lives. I also see that BTCTrader (I'm guessing you know this guy personally?) and Chadwicksr have BTC addresses without any other transactions in them, where Salmon, the only one I suspected was real, has an old address. I guess this isn't out of the ordinary though.


It looks like everything checks out though. I guess it's just extremely odd. I've never seen someone make an account just to post on one thread, especially for four or five months. I know r2pleasent and Alex2012 (and a lot of other people), your competition on the other site, have been temporarily banned for using fake accounts and hiring people to bump their thread up and leave them vouches. I obviously know you know how everything works because I've traded with you a lot before, which is the reason I'm skeptical here. I know you complete a high volume of trades you and you're always looking for the most effective ways to get more customers and beat the competition, even if that means taking an unfair and questionable route to get there. Like knowingly receiving stolen goods, when that large trader was banned as an example and you got off without punishment, you're not scamming but the methods you use to get more business would be considered unethical or unfair by some people.

Good doubt ,I could understand but no fakes.I've personally explained the recent 3-4 transactions which the Staff member quoted on my thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583572.600

See post #610,Page 31.

Regards,
Shdvb

Well he could get banned for reasons stated above but he's more likely to just recieve a lot of negative feedback from the community. Having lots of trades with other members isn't the point and we're not disputing that, but it's potentially all the other suspicious/fake feedback. Maybe he only managed to do all those genuine trades because they (and potentially future others) were duped into trading with him because of all his feedback.


Trust abuse maybe, but he's still likely just to get severely negbombed which will be as good as a ban for his business.

That would be the only rationale for his ban? There's gotta be something against false self-promotion...

If those accounts are really his alts, he would have been bumping his thread way too often as the current rule is you can't bump a thread more than once every 24 hours. I believe he could be banned for that reason.

So what would happen if it is fake feedback? Banhammer? It seems he's had quite a few successful transactions with other members of the forum as well, that are very unlikely to be his other accounts haha

It will be impressive and I'll be very surprised if he can provide sufficient proof. He just PMd me this:


I asked him to post all proof publicly in this thread. I've also asked BadBear to check the accounts so it should be cleared up soon enough. 

If he's able to provide proof, that'd be impressive. He was probably just building trust so that he would be able to scam others in the future; there's also the possibility that he just wanted to make himself seem credible so as to attract more business without the intention of scamming. Don't think he's trying to build up for a long scam

I've requested that he addresses the concerns made in this thread and asked for transaction IDs and proof of payments via skrill etc. If they are legit he should be able to do this with no problem or excuses and I doubt if they are fabricated he would've gone to the trouble of covering his tracks like this.

I don't think they're volunteering offhand, but I'm sure he makes sure everyone who does a deal with him goes the whole nine yards with vouches, posts, trust, etc. He's requesting that his customers post in his thread - they're obviously not just doing it randomly. It doesn't seem out of character for him to do this with every customer to get his thread bumped.

I'd like to see him explain himself.

If they're not interested in posting on forums then they would unlikey be interested in leaving a post everytime they traded as well. I'm sure he does request that genuine users leave feedback as well and there's nothing wrong with that, but when you've got several accounts that have done nothing but tell everyone that they've done yet another trade with the guy one after the other day after day it's very suspicious.

Very nice investigation work !

A lot of people don't really bother making posts on forums. However, they may still be interested in purchasing bitcoin, so they'll check out the services of someone who advertises himself constantly, like Shdvb. I bet Shdvb tells buyers to leave a vouch for him after their purchase, so the result is a bunch of newbies leaving vouches.

Having customers post in his thread after every transaction may just be another segment of his extremely spammy way of doing business. Of course, that's not to say they aren't alts.

What he is doing (assuming the allegations are true - it is theoretically possible, but unlikely that a lot of newbies are happening to be doing business with him and are not otherwise active on the forum) would generally make any claims of him scamming less credible so he could potentially scam multiple times even if they publicly accuse him of scamming. All of his vouches would make others hesitant to "cry" scam in the first place.   

Well spotted. The following users have done pretty much nothing but post vouches for him in his selling thread:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/btctrader56-355653
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/chadwicksr-358982
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/slalom-68535
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/baalmckloud-87632

And those are just from the last page or two.

There's also quite a lot of vouches from other newb accounts with just 1-3 posts on his thread that look very suspicious:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/steven888-359044

I think it's pretty obvious that they are his alt accounts and he's using them to bump up his thread and pad his feedback. If you go through most of the vouches in his selling and rep thread (which he sermingly loves posting/bragging about) they're all largely from the same people who pretty much exclusively post in his there. Now, the question is he doing this merely just to build up his businesss or building up for a longcon? Regardless, this is shady and untrustworthy behaviour.