Topic: Shit Hits the Fan: Australia joins US, India and Japan in Naval Exercise - page 2. (Read 384 times)

They are the forefront if not already when it comes to new technology and mega cities, that I will give that to them. The problem with their economy is that most of it are inclusive and most of them are state sponsored or influenced. I agree that they innovate, you can clearly see it in the news, their face recognition technology and their state of the art surveillance system. Also worth mentioning the citizenship points that monitors their citizens behavior. One problem with these innovation is that this technology is used for a totalitarian purposes.

That is not the situation now. One or two decades ago, they were dependent on plagiarism and technology stealing. But now the Chinese are capable of doing innovation. Show me an example of any Chinese company being accused of plagiarism, in the past 2-3 years. It is not easy to replace the Chinese products from our markets. The reason is that no other company has the capability of manufacturing high-quality products at such affordable prices.

Interesting approach by the Indian government towards Chinese product. Do you have a link of the article because I am curious in regards to this niche in this trading relation between China and India. If anyone can provide a link thank you, I am not the only one that will be benifiting as this can help further this thread for other curious members.

These 4 countries have long been intense in forming Indo-Pacific alliances whose aim is to counter China's influence and maneuvers in Asia, especially in the South China Sea. Previously, America and Australia had built a joint military base in Papua New Guinea, the proximity of Japan and America also did not need to be questioned, while India, which had a dispute with China and Pakistan, certainly needed a deterrent effect from the presence of America and its allies in the Asian region.

In the end, there is no eternal allies or enemies, only eternal interest. Australia has long been close friends with the United States, although economically it continues to cooperate with China. Japan is similar although not the same as Australia Japan must take a position in taking a position. In the midst of competition between China and America, Japan and China are trading partners. In addition, Japan's position is needed to bridge the interests of Europe, America, and Southeast Asian countries.

For America, Trump is implementing a "containment policy" against China in which the last blockage is towards Southeast Asia which is now trying to blockade by America with the discourse of a collective security coalition which begins with an agreement between America, Australia, India, and Japan. It's just that the concentration of ASEAN countries is the South China Sea, the four countries are not part of the South China Sea so it is considered that this alliance will not compensate for China's dominance in this region, therefore more countries in ASEAN think this alliance will not contribute much to their interests.

China thought they will block the whole world with their all mighty tricks and world will bend before them to ask for mass production of stuff that is needed.

We all know how China broke the trust of everyone.

To overcome this problem, India has imposed as much as 300% import duty on any product that will be coming from China port. This is an effort to make more Indian products and boycott the Chinese items.

So yeah surely China will suffer a lot.

In addition to this they are also making tension on Indian borders. It’s a clear indication they are screwed badly. They will pay for it.

Who knows in WW3 there will be no country with name China. LOLZ.

Should I move it or let it stay here because I specifically talked about what are the possible economic implications of this tensions.
That is the saddest thing about this, China has been on due for answering their sanctions and they are not budging an inch because they know their place and capability in the world standing.

China --arguably-- doesn't contribute real value to global markets.

They only steal other peoples technology, designs. Copyrighted and patented products. Which means they're very replaceable.

 

@jossiel you’re right that this thread doesn’t belong here, and coming back to the topic China has been planning to become a super power and capture as many territories it can, and all of this was highlighted in Xi Jinping plan. Furthermore I’m not sure how do you’ll expect a war with China to happen, because even if China is defeated (which I doubt will happen) but even then how will the remaining countries restore the global economy as China is one of the biggest economy, and no other country can step in and immediately replace them.

Sources:

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2020/05/22/commentary/world-commentary/china-really-want-dominate-world/

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/07/china-us-war/594793/

https://asiatimes.com/2020/08/why-there-wont-be-a-us-china-war/

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/china-now-world’s-largest-economy-we-shouldn’t-be-shocked-170719

That is a wishful thinking, reaching a billion dollars. The comparison is not the same, Iran is not a nuclear state and US made sure of that when they made a virus to stop the machine that enrich uranium. On the other hand, China sadly is a nuclear one. We know that US Capitalism and China Communism has been in standoff relation for a long time. The incident in the India and China border is still a fresh wound for both of the countries involved and rubbing salt by exercising provocation measures is not the best route.

The tension is getting higher everyday as long as China didn't stop from provoking many countries especially on their boarders and on South China Sea. The WAR is on the hand of China, I hope they wont do much to prevent a situation like this we can't really afford this one especially the developing countries who don't have much power when to protect their own territory.

It might not happen but the chances that a full scale conflict is still high. Remember that the India and China border conflict is still a fresh wound that both nations are trying to blame the other. I do not think this exercise is necessary because this only strum the wrong strings when it comes to resolving the conflict in diplomatic and peaceful way. Small scale wars should be resolved by the government of each nation and their people by agreeing to accept aide from countries, there are countries that do not want help which prolongs this easily solvable conflict if proper aide, be it military or economically.

The united states spearheads the majority of EU military operations in iraq, afghanistan and the middle east over the last 20 years. Those regions reside in the EU's backyard on the opposite side of the planet from the USA. I'm not certain if the united states and european union could be considered allies if americans are willing to travel to the other side of the planet to help the EU defend its interests. While the EU is unwilling to do the same to support US interests.

The EU's main driving focus has always been aggressive expansionism. To acquire as many nations under its border as possible. Why?

US TARP bailouts were issued to european banks, who then distributed funds as loans to flailing european governments. This trend of the US bailing out european banks, who then bailed out european governments through loans, continued for many years. It was the united states who saved the EU through bailouts, not china.




News sources have repeated over and over, thousands of times. Saying the united states "has no friends or allies with Donald Trump as President". The united states "lost" the support of the global community, and isolated itself, by raising tariffs on china. This is the common theme that has been repeated over the last 4 years. It could also be the reason only the USA, japan, india and australia are participating in the war game.

I agree china may not be up to the task and could economically implode the way the USSR did. Already we see power struggles between Xi Jinpeng and the communist party. Which could deteriorate into civil war or infighting which hurts their expansion efforts.





Shadow leaders of the world do not want World War III.

Its too large of a conflict and too difficult to control.

That doesn't rule out long term, human, suffering however. Unfortunately for us.

This is what's been going on for a while now and it seems China is winning.

All this show of arms is kind of old school. Australia is joining the naval exercises, yes, and it has made the news. It's been made into a big deal of sorts by political observers. But, mate, shopping in Australia gives you China feels. Everything is made in China. China is the largest trading partner of Australia.

I did a topic on that, the Belt and Road Initiative is an ambitious economic conquest of China that aims for a long term benefit. That is more scarier than armed conflict because they are involved in a countries which means that the CCP will be able to sway decisions in that country. China is still far from winning from this economic war because other countries are catching up as to what is happening and they are doing their best to prevent this veiled deceit from putting deep roots in many countries.

I think they should be involved because this could escalate into a nuclear warfare. Every country should actively participate in preventing our extinction because of conflict. Helping does not necessarily mean military.
I do not think that they should think about the debt they owe when a war could brew. What is the point of a prosperous economy when you are living in a nuclear winter theoretically.
Yeah, I do agree to that is why I said in my pot that they should make a less aggressive territorial approach towards their neighboring countries. Remember in Indian-China Border where there was an armed conflict between two forces. Definitely the allies of the US will help but we can't afford a full scale war, China knows this too that is why they are aggresive towards their neo-colonial expansion.
They did sold it pretty well then because I am living in South East Asia Region and my country is affected by this expansion too and our leader is neutered against China because he believes that CCP is our country's friend. I think this will pop some string into a WW3 because India back then did not want Australia to join the excercise out of respect for China.

This thread is relative to Politics & Society.

This won't happen.

I'm far from seeing them to be friendly as friendly as accepting the verdict of Internationa Tribunal regards to their neighboring countries about sea domination and ownership.

Remember how millennials and zoomers were spamming WW3 memes when there was tension between the US and Iran? This is even worse, because this is just a military exercise, they are conducted all the time, and they often look very provocative, like when they happen right next to someone's borders, because that's partially the point of a military exercise - to demonstrate your strength to your opponent. We are more like to see Bitcoin reach $1 billion than seeing a WW3 in the closest time.

Despite of the growing tension between these great countries, I still believe that WWIII wont happen this year or even next year because China can’t afford that war and yes we can’t afford to have that War too. Its good that US, Australia and Japan is supporting the small countries around South China Sea this can at least lower the tension and make a pressure to China not to do something bad. Though many wars between rebel and other countries are still happening right now, let’s pray for a WWIII not to happen because many will suffer again.

China is waging war against these allied powers for decades now, in the form of debt traps on small nations that are vital for the US and friends’ trade routes, imports and exports. They are doing it on African countries currently, with some countries in the Pacific and the largest one being the Philippines. Ridiculously, the Philippine government seem to be very cooperative of this setup to China, even agreeing to a joint natural gas expedition on the disputed Spratly islands in the West Philippine Sea.

All in all, everything is going towards China’s favor IMO, from a sociopolitical and economic standpoint. While most countries condemn China for their strategic overtaking of a country’s resources by offering debts and insane terms, most of these countries appear to be very careful on the words that they say.

a different type of war has already been taking place for over a decade now. an economical war with China being ahead while they keep increasing their foothold all around the world in different continents even in US.
my speculation is that in a couple of years an armed conflict is not going to even be possible because China will simply reply with "if you threaten us with conflict, we will crush  your economy and starve you to death".