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Topic: Shorts on Bitfinex at a all time high! - page 6. (Read 9889 times)

legendary
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April 20, 2015, 07:10:39 AM
#76
there's OKcoin but not too sure how they work

Their future markets seem to behave a bit funky these days, aren't they? I wouldn't be surprised if at least one Chinese exchange pulled a Gox, or at least a Stamp at some point this year or maybe next year.

Wouldn't that be bad for Bitcoin's price and another stain on the way it's percieved by the mainstream?

Yeah, that would be terrible, sure. But it wouldn't surprise me much. This is still very much 'amateur hour' like many people like to call it. We need more insured and regulated exchanges!

No wonder people are shorting...
hero member
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April 20, 2015, 07:08:21 AM
#75
there's OKcoin but not too sure how they work

Their future markets seem to behave a bit funky these days, aren't they? I wouldn't be surprised if at least one Chinese exchange pulled a Gox, or at least a Stamp at some point this year or maybe next year.

Wouldn't that be bad for Bitcoin's price and another stain on the way it's percieved by the mainstream?

Yeah, that would be terrible, sure. But it wouldn't surprise me much. This is still very much 'amateur hour' like many people like to call it. We need more insured and regulated exchanges!
legendary
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April 20, 2015, 06:56:18 AM
#74
there's OKcoin but not too sure how they work

Their future markets seem to behave a bit funky these days, aren't they? I wouldn't be surprised if at least one Chinese exchange pulled a Gox, or at least a Stamp at some point this year or maybe next year.

Wouldn't that be bad for Bitcoin's price and another stain on the way it's percieved by the mainstream?
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April 20, 2015, 06:38:20 AM
#73
there's OKcoin but not too sure how they work

Their future markets seem to behave a bit funky these days, aren't they? I wouldn't be surprised if at least one Chinese exchange pulled a Gox, or at least a Stamp at some point this year or maybe next year.
sr. member
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April 20, 2015, 06:24:35 AM
#72
there's OKcoin but not too sure how they work
legendary
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April 20, 2015, 06:19:05 AM
#71
Is Bitfinex the biggest place that offers shorts?

I was wondering about this actually...  Why don't the other exchanges offer some bitcoin to be loaned for a fee.
legendary
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April 20, 2015, 06:07:41 AM
#70
I love this... I know swaps have proven to be a quite bad indicator of impending movements but longs still going down and shorts this high... At some point they will have to close. And if we go down even further there'll be enough buying pressure to kick us out of the 2014 downtrend for sure!

As long as BTC keeps going down, they will not close. 

Sure they will. People who make money close their shorts from time to time, so as not to lose money in an upwards-correction. But if shorts continue to pile up, this may lead to a cascade at some point, wiping out many positions at once. One hell of a sight Smiley

Again, we'll see.  This could go either way.  The important thing is always be ready whatever direction the trend goes.
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April 20, 2015, 05:58:44 AM
#69
I love this... I know swaps have proven to be a quite bad indicator of impending movements but longs still going down and shorts this high... At some point they will have to close. And if we go down even further there'll be enough buying pressure to kick us out of the 2014 downtrend for sure!

As long as BTC keeps going down, they will not close. 

Sure they will. People who make money close their shorts from time to time, so as not to lose money in an upwards-correction. But if shorts continue to pile up, this may lead to a cascade at some point, wiping out many positions at once. One hell of a sight Smiley
legendary
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April 20, 2015, 05:54:43 AM
#68
I love this... I know swaps have proven to be a quite bad indicator of impending movements but longs still going down and shorts this high... At some point they will have to close. And if we go down even further there'll be enough buying pressure to kick us out of the 2014 downtrend for sure!

As long as BTC keeps going down, they will not close. 
hero member
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April 20, 2015, 05:45:43 AM
#67
I love this... I know swaps have proven to be a quite bad indicator of impending movements but longs still going down and shorts this high... At some point they will have to close. And if we go down even further there'll be enough buying pressure to kick us out of the 2014 downtrend for sure!
legendary
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April 20, 2015, 02:15:16 AM
#66
There's a rate spike yesterday... was it really 4% avg rate for a BTC swap? That seems insane.


The bulls don't have a monopoly on idiots.
Than means it is good to invest in BTC swaps if I want to earn money? Or is this market gonna crash?
legendary
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April 19, 2015, 11:42:35 PM
#65
They would close into the 100k+ BTC that have been opened as longs.and need to close at some point.. Roll Eyes

However, sooner or later Bitfinex will implode and bulls and bears will get burned at the same time. Smiley

how will it implode?

Bitcoinica??

Zhoutonged??

Oh no bitfinex be closed, all our coins are gone they got "hacked"  we will return shortly don't worry!!

We will make it all good including that last 7% per week.  Everything is fine..
sr. member
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April 19, 2015, 08:15:50 PM
#64
There's a rate spike yesterday... was it really 4% avg rate for a BTC swap? That seems insane.


The bulls don't have a monopoly on idiots.
legendary
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April 19, 2015, 08:10:12 PM
#63
There's a rate spike yesterday... was it really 4% avg rate for a BTC swap? That seems insane.

legendary
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April 19, 2015, 05:32:48 PM
#62
As I said in the wall observer thread, I understand this, but if it's cascading there is no time for any of that to happen. 30K shorts will close into 20K asks before a single trader with a long decides to sell, a shorter decides to reopen, or new asks appear on the order book. This happened at bfx before with the long squeeze to 100. Although unlikely, still dangerous.

Anyways, I'm out, hopefully we have some fun tomorrow!
Are there take profit orders on Bitfinex? Some longs might be set to take profit at a certain price level, providing liquidity.
Also AFAIK Bitfinex has a system in place to prevent flash crashes/rises since that flash crash to $100.
hero member
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April 19, 2015, 04:27:45 PM
#61
To close out those shorts coins have to be bought back. They have around 20K coins on finex for sell. It was a joke about million dollar coins, but just wanted to point out there are more shorts than can be closed. Or am I missing something?

If I borrow something and sell it, and then I have to buy back in able to return what I sold but there isn't enough out there no matter the price, what do I do?

Also, I don't need bitcoin to be above 300. I want as many coins as possible, shorters are helping me accumulate. But seeing the order books I would not short myself.

That would be assuming the shorters don't short again after closing position or that people in long positions don't close their longs as the price rises. However as the price begins to rise from other closing their position new asks will be placed on the orderbook.



As I said in the wall observer thread, I understand this, but if it's cascading there is no time for any of that to happen. 30K shorts will close into 20K asks before a single trader with a long decides to sell, a shorter decides to reopen, or new asks appear on the order book. This happened at bfx before with the long squeeze to 100. Although unlikely, still dangerous.

Anyways, I'm out, hopefully we have some fun tomorrow!
legendary
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April 19, 2015, 04:17:19 PM
#60
order book is never 100% accurate
legendary
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April 19, 2015, 04:13:43 PM
#59
To close out those shorts coins have to be bought back. They have around 20K coins on finex for sell. It was a joke about million dollar coins, but just wanted to point out there are more shorts than can be closed. Or am I missing something?

If I borrow something and sell it, and then I have to buy back in able to return what I sold but there isn't enough out there no matter the price, what do I do?

Also, I don't need bitcoin to be above 300. I want as many coins as possible, shorters are helping me accumulate. But seeing the order books I would not short myself.

That would be assuming the shorters don't short again after closing position or that people in long positions don't close their longs as the price rises. However as the price begins to rise from other closing their position new asks will be placed on the orderbook.

hero member
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April 19, 2015, 04:04:30 PM
#58
They would close into the 100k+ BTC that have been opened as longs.and need to close at some point.. Roll Eyes

However, sooner or later Bitfinex will implode and bulls and bears will get burned at the same time. Smiley

how will it implode?

Due to the fact that longs can be opened with BTC as collateral. The lower BTC/USD price gets the more dangerous it becomes. I explained the situation a few weeks ago, I'm too lazy to write it again. My guess was that@ around 80-100$ the lights will go out for Bitfinex, as probably most of those longs have been opened with BTC as coll.

Doesn't their algorithm work in a way it takes btc price into account? Let's say you use btc as collateral and open a long, it says you will get margin called at $120, that means at a price of $120 your btc worth $120 each will not be enough to cover your loans. It doesn't work as if btc price is now $220 so you have $220 worth of collateral no matter the btc price. That would be just plain dumb.

Would you mind giving the link to your post? I'm interested as I use bfx.
hero member
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April 19, 2015, 03:59:49 PM
#57
To close out those shorts coins have to be bought back. They have around 20K coins on finex for sell. It was a joke about million dollar coins, but just wanted to point out there are more shorts than can be closed. Or am I missing something?

If I borrow something and sell it, and then I have to buy back in able to return what I sold but there isn't enough out there no matter the price, what do I do?

Also, I don't need bitcoin to be above 300. I want as many coins as possible, shorters are helping me accumulate. But seeing the order books I would not short myself.

The same can easily be stated for those longs being margin called,  not enough bids.  price would also implode

True, but there is far more money on the exchange that is not on the order books. 90% of my fiat is not on the order books, so who knows how much is out there waiting to pounce on a long squeeze. While there may be many coins not on the order books I doubt it even comes close to fiat. All my coins are on the order books at a very high price just in case there is a flash or error and I get "overpaid" for my coins. The reason I don't do the same with my fiat is I don't want anyone to think there is support and hopefully they sell and bring the price down to a point in willing to buy at.
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