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legendary
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December 07, 2012, 12:03:35 AM
#75
another gem from inaba

Quote from: Inaba
Hypocrisy comes with pathological behavior, Mesarah.  It's often the only way a pathological liar can reconcile their behavior and/or words in the face of incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.

That quote is well written. Sounds like it comes from experience.
legendary
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December 06, 2012, 10:35:24 PM
#74
another gem from inaba

Quote from: Inaba
Hypocrisy comes with pathological behavior, Mesarah.  It's often the only way a pathological liar can reconcile their behavior and/or words in the face of incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.
mem
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Herp Derp PTY LTD
December 06, 2012, 09:46:54 PM
#73
I can agree to that possibility.  It still doesn't equate to lying, and I still give them the benefit of the doubt.

When does that benefit get retracted? These folks are dishonest. BFL reps are still peddling the prospect of late December shipping to customers, that's just flat out lying given what we know about the state of their assembly process.

come on guys, why wouldnt you trust a cunt convicted con man like Sonny ?
Anyone one that gouges senior citizens out of 22 Million USD then has the balls to say they made a bad investment after serving his sentence is obviously trustworthy.
And if your not going to trust a company chaired by a ex con who only stepped aside as CEO when his past was revealed then why not trust the man child Inaba, he is just waiting to type up an agnsty 3.5 pages of teeth gnashing & insults.

BFL lost the good will required for the benefit of the doubt a long time ago, see asshat inaba's post history for justification.
You are dealing with a convicted felon, an immature ego maniac and a company that has record for dishonestly only matched by Pirate's Ponzi.
legendary
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December 06, 2012, 08:12:32 PM
#72
I can agree to that possibility.  It still doesn't equate to lying, and I still give them the benefit of the doubt.

When does that benefit get retracted? These folks are dishonest. BFL reps are still peddling the prospect of late December shipping to customers, that's just flat out lying given what we know about the state of their assembly process.

Well,I understand how hard it is to make something noone else has ever made before.

So,I'm not giving up on BFL......or anyone else for that matter,bASIC,Avalon,etc....  Wink

These devices will come when they come  Tongue
sr. member
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December 06, 2012, 07:22:02 PM
#71
If they had a history of lying, then I wouldn't believe them.

How many times do they need to break a promise before it is considered to be lying? Hundreds of customers over many months were promised products "in 6-8 weeks", and none of them got it when promised. They have a clear history of distorting and stretching the truth. To me that indicates a strong likelyhood that anything not verifiable is likely a lie from them.

Shipping of new units is still anticipated to being late November or early December.

Think they still might make that "late November" date? Since they don't specify the year, I guess they mean 2013 so they're not lying, right?

It's interesting that when I purchased my fpga equipment from them I was expecting 6 - 8 weeks and got them in under a month.
sr. member
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December 06, 2012, 01:57:43 PM
#70
I can agree to that possibility.  It still doesn't equate to lying, and I still give them the benefit of the doubt.

When does that benefit get retracted? These folks are dishonest. BFL reps are still peddling the prospect of late December shipping to customers, that's just flat out lying given what we know about the state of their assembly process.
legendary
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December 06, 2012, 01:53:32 PM
#69
1) Highly experienced in their industry in general is what I would take that to mean.  I would assume they mean that they have engineers onboard who have designed ASICs for other projects before.  Obviously, they hadn't designed an ASIC for Bitcoin mining before.  No one had.
2) They've probably developed ASICs before, which are most certainly microprocessors.
3) You have no proof of them lying about this.
4) Ok, I agree, a lie, or at the very least, a half-truth.  They should have clarified this by stating "procuring and installing high-speed equipment".  However, I still put this statement in a much different pool than I would put them in if they said the same thing and they weren't actually buying any equipment to install.
5) You have no proof of them lying about this.

See how you have to bend over backwards to believe their claims. They're the one making claims that no one can verify.

And no, I wouldn't believe you, because you haven't given me good reason to believe you.  However, if you began to post verifiable indicators of your vast store of wealth, such as photos of you driving your Ferrari and pictures of your Bitcoin miners inside your mansion, I might believe you.

How did you know I just bought a Ferrari? I'm installing it in my garage right now.

https://i.imgur.com/dIlxd.jpg

creativex has another opportunity for me, so things are looking very bright for my retirement.
Right.  They have chosen not to allow some of their claims to be verified.  That is NOT the same as lying.  Again, I believe them because they have given me no reason not to believe them.  If they had a history of lying, then I wouldn't believe them.  Thus far, they have had a history of bad estimates and poor wording, but no broken promises or outright lies.  Because of their history, I expect their estimates to be off and I request clarification on anything important that isn't cut-and-dry, but I don't expect them to lie.

When you post a picture of you driving it (as well as some image verifying that the driver is actually you, perhaps by holding up a sign of your bitcointalk username), then I might start believing you.  Wink

This is called cherry picking, and it usually means they are hiding shitloads.
I can agree to that possibility.  It still doesn't equate to lying, and I still give them the benefit of the doubt.
mem
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Herp Derp PTY LTD
December 06, 2012, 05:30:49 AM
#68
1) Highly experienced in their industry in general is what I would take that to mean.  I would assume they mean that they have engineers onboard who have designed ASICs for other projects before.  Obviously, they hadn't designed an ASIC for Bitcoin mining before.  No one had.
2) They've probably developed ASICs before, which are most certainly microprocessors.
3) You have no proof of them lying about this.
4) Ok, I agree, a lie, or at the very least, a half-truth.  They should have clarified this by stating "procuring and installing high-speed equipment".  However, I still put this statement in a much different pool than I would put them in if they said the same thing and they weren't actually buying any equipment to install.
5) You have no proof of them lying about this.

See how you have to bend over backwards to believe their claims. They're the one making claims that no one can verify.

And no, I wouldn't believe you, because you haven't given me good reason to believe you.  However, if you began to post verifiable indicators of your vast store of wealth, such as photos of you driving your Ferrari and pictures of your Bitcoin miners inside your mansion, I might believe you.

How did you know I just bought a Ferrari? I'm installing it in my garage right now.

https://i.imgur.com/dIlxd.jpg

creativex has another opportunity for me, so things are looking very bright for my retirement.
Right.  They have chosen not to allow some of their claims to be verified.  That is NOT the same as lying.  Again, I believe them because they have given me no reason not to believe them.  If they had a history of lying, then I wouldn't believe them.  Thus far, they have had a history of bad estimates and poor wording, but no broken promises or outright lies.  Because of their history, I expect their estimates to be off and I request clarification on anything important that isn't cut-and-dry, but I don't expect them to lie.

When you post a picture of you driving it (as well as some image verifying that the driver is actually you, perhaps by holding up a sign of your bitcointalk username), then I might start believing you.  Wink

This is called cherry picking, and it usually means they are hiding shitloads.
legendary
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Merit: 1003
December 06, 2012, 02:37:33 AM
#67
When is the Jalapeno getting FCC approval?

Maybe two weeks? We are waiting for the test lab to issue the test report.

It has now been more than a month. Who is the test lab? What was the result?
, I didn't realize this until just now.

But in the response, the statement of two weeks is actually posed as a question rather than a statement....



Lets hope for the best.

Visit the following thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1381541
legendary
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December 05, 2012, 11:45:08 PM
#66
When is the Jalapeno getting FCC approval?

Maybe two weeks? We are waiting for the test lab to issue the test report.

It has now been more than a month. Who is the test lab? What was the result?
legendary
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Merit: 1193
December 05, 2012, 10:10:45 PM
#65
If they had a history of lying, then I wouldn't believe them.

How many times do they need to break a promise before it is considered to be lying? Hundreds of customers over many months were promised products "in 6-8 weeks", and none of them got it when promised. They have a clear history of distorting and stretching the truth. To me that indicates a strong likelyhood that anything not verifiable is likely a lie from them.

Shipping of new units is still anticipated to being late November or early December.

Think they still might make that "late November" date? Since they don't specify the year, I guess they mean 2013 so they're not lying, right?
legendary
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December 05, 2012, 08:13:45 PM
#64
1) Highly experienced in their industry in general is what I would take that to mean.  I would assume they mean that they have engineers onboard who have designed ASICs for other projects before.  Obviously, they hadn't designed an ASIC for Bitcoin mining before.  No one had.
2) They've probably developed ASICs before, which are most certainly microprocessors.
3) You have no proof of them lying about this.
4) Ok, I agree, a lie, or at the very least, a half-truth.  They should have clarified this by stating "procuring and installing high-speed equipment".  However, I still put this statement in a much different pool than I would put them in if they said the same thing and they weren't actually buying any equipment to install.
5) You have no proof of them lying about this.

See how you have to bend over backwards to believe their claims. They're the one making claims that no one can verify.

And no, I wouldn't believe you, because you haven't given me good reason to believe you.  However, if you began to post verifiable indicators of your vast store of wealth, such as photos of you driving your Ferrari and pictures of your Bitcoin miners inside your mansion, I might believe you.

How did you know I just bought a Ferrari? I'm installing it in my garage right now.

https://i.imgur.com/dIlxd.jpg

creativex has another opportunity for me, so things are looking very bright for my retirement.
Right.  They have chosen not to allow some of their claims to be verified.  That is NOT the same as lying.  Again, I believe them because they have given me no reason not to believe them.  If they had a history of lying, then I wouldn't believe them.  Thus far, they have had a history of bad estimates and poor wording, but no broken promises or outright lies.  Because of their history, I expect their estimates to be off and I request clarification on anything important that isn't cut-and-dry, but I don't expect them to lie.

When you post a picture of you driving it (as well as some image verifying that the driver is actually you, perhaps by holding up a sign of your bitcointalk username), then I might start believing you.  Wink
hero member
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December 05, 2012, 07:53:39 PM
#63


How did you know I just bought a Ferrari? I'm installing it in my garage right now.

https://i.imgur.com/dIlxd.jpg

How many MHash does that thing provide?
sr. member
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Merit: 250
December 05, 2012, 07:43:06 PM
#62
Sure thing buddy! Just lemme get these clock buffers installed. Things will be right as rain!
legendary
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December 05, 2012, 07:35:31 PM
#61
1) Highly experienced in their industry in general is what I would take that to mean.  I would assume they mean that they have engineers onboard who have designed ASICs for other projects before.  Obviously, they hadn't designed an ASIC for Bitcoin mining before.  No one had.
2) They've probably developed ASICs before, which are most certainly microprocessors.
3) You have no proof of them lying about this.
4) Ok, I agree, a lie, or at the very least, a half-truth.  They should have clarified this by stating "procuring and installing high-speed equipment".  However, I still put this statement in a much different pool than I would put them in if they said the same thing and they weren't actually buying any equipment to install.
5) You have no proof of them lying about this.

See how you have to bend over backwards to believe their claims. They're the one making claims that no one can verify.

And no, I wouldn't believe you, because you haven't given me good reason to believe you.  However, if you began to post verifiable indicators of your vast store of wealth, such as photos of you driving your Ferrari and pictures of your Bitcoin miners inside your mansion, I might believe you.

How did you know I just bought a Ferrari? I'm installing it in my garage right now.

https://i.imgur.com/dIlxd.jpg

creativex has another opportunity for me, so things are looking very bright for my retirement.
legendary
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Merit: 1005
December 05, 2012, 07:09:01 PM
#60
They certainly were planning to ship out in October.  So?  Unforeseen delays happened.  What do you expect them to do?

I expect them to tell the truth.

They were not "highly experienced", they're working on their first ASIC and finding out ASIC design isn't as easy as FPGA routing.
They were not "a market leader in microprocessor design", they are FPGA programmers.
They had no real hope of "shipments for October", they just wanted you to think that so you wouldn't buy from someone else.
They were not "installing high-speed equipment", they were simply bidding on ebay for such hardware.
They don't have "venture capital funding", they just have $19 million stolen from customers in a mail fraud scheme and a lot of customer pre-order funds.

I'm scheduling to retire with $10 million in the bank next week. Do you believe that?
1) Highly experienced in their industry in general is what I would take that to mean.  I would assume they mean that they have engineers onboard who have designed ASICs for other projects before.  Obviously, they hadn't designed an ASIC for Bitcoin mining before.  No one had.
2) They've probably developed ASICs before, which are most certainly microprocessors.
3) You have no proof of them lying about this.
4) Ok, I agree, a lie, or at the very least, a half-truth.  They should have clarified this by stating "procuring and installing high-speed equipment".  However, I still put this statement in a much different pool than I would put them in if they said the same thing and they weren't actually buying any equipment to install.
5) You have no proof of them lying about this.

And no, I wouldn't believe you, because you haven't given me good reason to believe you.  However, if you began to post verifiable indicators of your vast store of wealth, such as photos of you driving your Ferrari and pictures of your Bitcoin miners inside your mansion, I might believe you.
sr. member
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Trust me, these default swaps will limit the risks
December 05, 2012, 06:39:37 PM
#59
December is a bust, and probably January as well. Although I'm wondering what they will release that will keep people from pulling massive amounts of refunds. I bet they release some form of evidence of a working prototype around Christmas, a video most likely.
sr. member
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December 05, 2012, 05:13:49 PM
#58
I'm scheduling to retire with $10 million in the bank next week. Do you believe that?

YES! Moreover I have a ONCE IN A LIFETIME investment opportunity for you my friend! Tongue
legendary
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December 05, 2012, 05:07:22 PM
#57
They certainly were planning to ship out in October.  So?  Unforeseen delays happened.  What do you expect them to do?

I expect them to tell the truth.

They were not "highly experienced", they're working on their first ASIC and finding out ASIC design isn't as easy as FPGA routing.
They were not "a market leader in microprocessor design", they are FPGA programmers.
They had no real hope of "shipments for October", they just wanted you to think that so you wouldn't buy from someone else.
They were not "installing high-speed equipment", they were simply bidding on ebay for such hardware.
They don't have "venture capital funding", they just have $19 million stolen from customers in a mail fraud scheme and a lot of customer pre-order funds.

I'm scheduling to retire with $10 million in the bank next week. Do you believe that?
hero member
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December 05, 2012, 04:30:02 PM
#56
Examine Josh's statements more closely and you will find this is a recurring theme. The man says NOTHING without a whole bunch of weasel clauses.

Every company has the representative(s) it deserves -> BFL must really be a shitty company.
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