Should drugs be listed at bitcoin.it?

mizerydearia

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Quote from: fetokun on May 03, 2011, 11:46:21 AM

I would also like if drugs (and other "illegal" things) were listed somewhere

I voted for removing them from the official wiki, but I thought they would be listed at least in a website like http://www.bitcoinsites.com/

Feel free to post all sites at http://bitcoinsites.witcoin.com/ and apply tags as necessary

mizerydearia

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https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade_R was deleted.

I suggest someone establish an alternative wiki with no censorship whatsoever.

NghtRppr

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Quote from: BitterTea on May 03, 2011, 10:46:39 AM

Quote from: xf2_org on May 03, 2011, 10:09:47 AM

Quote from: PLATO on May 03, 2011, 12:55:47 AM

MagicalTux: The entire point of a wiki is collaboration, and it's clear that many people are upset at this censorship. Someone brought up the idea of an R-rated wiki Trade page, and a regular wiki Trade page. Are you willing to do that? Just don't link to the R-rated page from any 'official' sites or other wiki pages. Initially I suppose porn + drugs should go there.

To comply with the law, it needs to be an R-rated site, separate from the official wiki.

Which law? Of which country?

I would assume wherever the operator is located, the site is hosted and the DNS is registered, which could be up to three different countries.

fetokun

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I would also like if drugs (and other "illegal" things) were listed somewhere

I voted for removing them from the official wiki, but I thought they would be listed at least in a website like http://www.bitcoinsites.com/

mp420

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I voted against censorship but I too can sympathize with the admin's choice. The laws in the US in particular are extremely draconian when it comes to anything that's related to illegal drugs.

(How come they had to amend their constitution to prohibit alcohol, but a much harsher prohibition on drugs did not require such amendment? Land of the free, my arse.)

I think bitcoin-accepting illegal and/or immoral sites should be listed somewhere. How secure can torsites be made? Could bitcoin wiki link to a portal site in tor that had links to all sites that accept bitcoin but are deemed too shady to be listed in the wiki?

BitterTea

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Quote from: xf2_org on May 03, 2011, 10:09:47 AM

Quote from: PLATO on May 03, 2011, 12:55:47 AM

MagicalTux: The entire point of a wiki is collaboration, and it's clear that many people are upset at this censorship. Someone brought up the idea of an R-rated wiki Trade page, and a regular wiki Trade page. Are you willing to do that? Just don't link to the R-rated page from any 'official' sites or other wiki pages. Initially I suppose porn + drugs should go there.

To comply with the law, it needs to be an R-rated site, separate from the official wiki.

Which law? Of which country?

xf2_org

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Quote from: PLATO on May 03, 2011, 12:55:47 AM

MagicalTux: The entire point of a wiki is collaboration, and it's clear that many people are upset at this censorship. Someone brought up the idea of an R-rated wiki Trade page, and a regular wiki Trade page. Are you willing to do that? Just don't link to the R-rated page from any 'official' sites or other wiki pages. Initially I suppose porn + drugs should go there.

To comply with the law, it needs to be an R-rated site, separate from the official wiki.

caveden

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Congratulations, you've managed to scare the guy before he receives any serious, concrete threat. Nice job spreading fear.

PLATO

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MagicalTux: The entire point of a wiki is collaboration, and it's clear that many people are upset at this censorship. Someone brought up the idea of an R-rated wiki Trade page, and a regular wiki Trade page. Are you willing to do that? Just don't link to the R-rated page from any 'official' sites or other wiki pages. Initially I suppose porn + drugs should go there.

theymos

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MagicalTux also runs KalyHost, which is used by many Bitcoin sites. I'm not worried that he'll abuse his power, but maybe KalyHost will be forced offline.

Shortline

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So essentially, magicaltux both:

1. Runs the primary currency exchange

2. Runs the primary information exchange

I'm not sure how I feel about this as a long-term situation. And I don't have any opinion one way or the other about his reputation or ability to competently fill both these rolls, but perhaps it's not a good idea to have all the eggs in one basket.

ifjrjgierjgierjerij

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If the server is in USA it is not legal to link to websites that sell illegal drugs, and the owner could technically be charged with the same drug crimes as the vendors he links to under the Ryan Haight act passed a few years ago. If this is the case, I sympathize with admins choice. If the server is in Japan, there is no such law and not allowing links only shows his lack of a backbone. I suggest that someone buys a server in Russia or some other place like that and puts up a Wiki that respects everyones freedom. I am done using the Fascist Wiki, although I do respect it is admins right to do whatever he wants with it.

ifjrjgierjgierjerij

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Also in addition to drugs and bitcoin exchangers who do not follow know your customer rules, the links to gambling sites must also be removed as those are illegal in the USA. So who will step up and make a free wiki for us? Maybe I should buy a server.

eifjiewfjewkij

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Well it is totally in the owners right to do this, but I hope he chances the wiki name to "The Bitcoin Neconservative Wiki" and someone else puts up a "Bitcoin Libertarian Wiki". Also, I hope someone removes all links to Bitcoin exchangers who do not require ID verification, because this is certainly illegal under US law.

Also, good luck with the strategy of trying to convert Neoconservatives to Bitcoin. I am sure that they will jump at the opportunity to buy some strange services with some weird currency that might be illegal to use in the USA in the first place. Much better idea to ban all of the drug users and dealers who were going to cause your economy to actually be used for something useful. Hopefully you convert McDonalds to Bitcoin please keep me updated on how that goes.

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Quote from: mewantsbitcoins on May 02, 2011, 01:42:06 PM

Quote from: xf2_org on May 02, 2011, 01:34:14 PM

Quote from: mewantsbitcoins on May 02, 2011, 12:10:53 PM

It is sad, that we care about PR that much.

PR matters, if you care about bitcoin being successful.

1. I'm not saying it doesn't
2. If it comes to ultimatum between PR and freedom of information I choose freedom of information, as majority of this community judging by the poll results.

I hope I am wrong, but I think this will damage our economy and image in the long run.

How can we advocate anonymity and freedom if these are the exact things we are banning??? This is disgraceful!!!

+1

mewantsbitcoins

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Quote from: xf2_org on May 02, 2011, 01:34:14 PM

Quote from: mewantsbitcoins on May 02, 2011, 12:10:53 PM

It is sad, that we care about PR that much.

PR matters, if you care about bitcoin being successful.

1. I'm not saying it doesn't
2. If it comes to ultimatum between PR and freedom of information I choose freedom of information, as majority of this community judging by the poll results.

I hope I am wrong, but I think this will damage our economy and image in the long run.

How can we advocate anonymity and freedom if these are the exact things we are banning??? This is disgraceful!!!

xf2_org

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Quote from: mewantsbitcoins on May 02, 2011, 12:10:53 PM

It is sad, that we care about PR that much.

PR matters, if you care about bitcoin being successful.

LMGTFY

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I've started a "meta" discussion on banning X at Y.

mewantsbitcoins

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It is sad, that we care about PR that much. The poll clearly indicates that community wanted to keep those links.
I think it's a huge mistake and in the long run bitcoin economy will suffer because of this decision.

NghtRppr

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I still haven't gotten an answer to this question: is it legal to share the information? If so, what is the wiki for if not to share legal information? Assuming the information is legal to share, I think the wiki should be as neutral as possible. Filtering out information because it might interfere with some agenda seems like anything but. Of course, if sharing the information is illegal then definitely no.

Again, assuming it's legal to share the information, we should probably start a new wiki that isn't controlled by a single personal agenda and simply make available all the information that is within the legal limits.

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