Should drugs be listed at bitcoin.it? - page 3.

oregreiogerjk

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And you completely missed the point. It is completely irrelevant whether or not drug users are wonderful, smart, productive people. Said PhD chemists are smart enough not to try and force their beliefs on others.

Too bad that you are not smart enough to stop trying to force your beliefs on others.

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Those physicists, doctors, chemists, etc. are likely old enough and wise enough to know that some people have different beliefs about drugs, and that is ok.

Yes it is fine. Please take your own advice.

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If bitcoin is to be an inclusive community, you must not exclude those people whose beliefs differ from yours. The selfish, teenage, immature attitude is "my belief must trump others."

You must be a troll, otherwise the irony is unbearable.

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Surely these PhD drug users support freedom of choice -- including the choice to avoid drugs! There is nothing wrong with having a safe-for-children-and-conservatives official wiki, with the "red light district" being a separate area.

You are either a troll or suffering from massive intellectual dishonesty.

marcus_of_augustus

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I like this idea, let's make a separate wiki page and call it

"THE RED LIGHT DISTRICT" (btc accepted here)

... best name you could come up since it denotes vice, naughtiness without being overtly illegal.

Put up one of those ADULT, R18, etc, warnings you see on porn sites (not that i go into them). Eventually it can fork off onto it's own web site when bitcoin wiki becomes to be purely about the IT, money technology only site some suggest will happen.

xf2_org

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Quote from: oregreiogerjk on April 30, 2011, 08:45:18 PM

Why is it that your idea of the average drug user is a teenager, when I know highly intelligent physicists, doctors, chemists, mathematicians, philosophers, programmers and more in their 20's, 30's and 40's who are the primary drug using group I talk with? Many of the drug users I know are brilliant individuals who most likely would put you to shame both in IQ and in number of years lived. I love when you idiots show your stereotypical thinking, how does it feel to be mind raped by the government?

And you completely missed the point. It is completely irrelevant whether or not drug users are wonderful, smart, productive people. Said PhD chemists are smart enough not to try and force their beliefs on others.

Those physicists, doctors, chemists, etc. are likely old enough and wise enough to know that some people have different beliefs about drugs, and that is ok.

If bitcoin is to be an inclusive community, you must not exclude those people whose beliefs differ from yours. The selfish, teenage, immature attitude is "my belief must trump others."

Surely these PhD drug users support freedom of choice -- including the choice to avoid drugs! There is nothing wrong with having a safe-for-children-and-conservatives official wiki, with the "red light district" being a separate area.

oregreiogerjk

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Who gives a fuck if highly conservative people use Bitcoin or not?

xf2_org

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Quote from: ShadowOfHarbringer on April 30, 2011, 08:54:55 PM

Quote from: xf2_org on April 30, 2011, 08:24:09 PM

Bitcoin should be usable by the most conservative imam in Saudi Arabia

Logical inconsitency.

Dollars are used both for trading drugs all around the world and by conservative imams in Saudi Arabia (and most other islamic countries since oil can only be bought for dollars)...

All currencies can be used for both good and bad things. Using currency for "bad" things doesn't mean that the currency itself is bad.

If you are trying to convince said highly conservative person to use bitcoins, and drugs are the first thing they see mentioned in press articles or wiki Trade page, the effort is wasted and we've lost.

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Quote from: xf2_org on April 30, 2011, 08:24:09 PM

Bitcoin should be usable by the most conservative imam in Saudi Arabia

Logical inconsitency.

Dollars are used both for trading drugs all around the world and by conservative imams in Saudi Arabia (and most other islamic countries since oil can only be bought for dollars)...

All currencies can be used for both good and bad things. Using currency for "bad" things doesn't mean that the currency itself is bad.

oregreiogerjk

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I guess Alexander Shulgin is an immature teenager, despite being a PHD holding biochemist and the inventor (and first person to take!) hundreds of psychedelic drugs through out his life. I guess his entire crowd of friends who took drugs and wrote trip reports with him, you know intellectuals from academia backgrounds, are also all drug using teenagers.

oregreiogerjk

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Quote from: xf2_org on April 30, 2011, 08:24:09 PM

In general, this is very selfish attitude.

If you think drugs should be legal, fine.

But it is self-evident that many people do not.

Bitcoin should be usable by the most conservative imam in Saudi Arabia, as well as the most libertarian, drug-seeking teenager on this forum.

^ Has obviously never been to hive or bluelight, where some of the most intelligent PHD chemists in the world trade tips on synthesis of extremely complex psychoactive drugs. Why is it that your idea of the average drug user is a teenager, when I know highly intelligent physicists, doctors, chemists, mathematicians, philosophers, programmers and more in their 20's, 30's and 40's who are the primary drug using group I talk with? Many of the drug users I know are brilliant individuals who most likely would put you to shame both in IQ and in number of years lived. I love when you idiots show your stereotypical thinking, how does it feel to be mind raped by the government?

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Quote from: xf2_org on April 30, 2011, 08:24:09 PM

Bitcoin should be usable by the most conservative imam in Saudi Arabia, as well as the most libertarian, drug-seeking teenager on this forum.

You never miss an opportunity to call libertarians immature, do you?

If what you say is justification for banning links to drugs, then it also justification for banning links to porn, alcohol, religious objects, and just about anything else.

xf2_org

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In general, this is very selfish attitude.

If you think drugs should be legal, fine.

But it is self-evident that many people do not.

Bitcoin should be usable by the most conservative imam in Saudi Arabia, as well as the most libertarian, drug-seeking teenager on this forum.

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Quote from: Prze_koles on April 30, 2011, 01:00:20 PM

Guys, but look at my previous post. One guy on other forum didn't like the bitcoin idea because we have drugs and porn listed in wiki.

OMFG! So what?

If this one guy on another forum doesn't want to use bitcoin because a wiki points in the direction of something he doesn't like, he's a fool. And when he realises that he missed the boat because his tiny puritan mind failed to accept that other people like the things he doesn't like, I hope he cries himself to sleep.

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Quote from: Meni Rosenfeld on April 30, 2011, 01:07:59 PM

Quote from: Alex Beckenham on April 30, 2011, 06:47:53 AM

Quote from: Meni Rosenfeld on April 29, 2011, 05:36:04 AM

Quote from: Alex Beckenham on April 29, 2011, 04:11:23 AM

Those things clearly go against your morals, but there's nothing inherently wrong with any of them.

Do I also get to use the "it only goes against your morals" card when people talk about how government is evil, or for that matter, how stealing, enslaving, kidnapping, raping and murdering are (or are these ok too)?

Absolutely you can play that card. Those things are okay to some people.

Interesting.

Things don't magically have an inbuilt 'wrongness' factor. They're only wrong or right based on the perceptions of individual minds.

Meni Rosenfeld

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Quote from: Alex Beckenham on April 30, 2011, 06:47:53 AM

Quote from: Meni Rosenfeld on April 29, 2011, 05:36:04 AM

Quote from: Alex Beckenham on April 29, 2011, 04:11:23 AM

Those things clearly go against your morals, but there's nothing inherently wrong with any of them.

Do I also get to use the "it only goes against your morals" card when people talk about how government is evil, or for that matter, how stealing, enslaving, kidnapping, raping and murdering are (or are these ok too)?

Absolutely you can play that card. Those things are okay to some people.

Interesting.

Prze_koles

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Guys, but look at my previous post. One guy on other forum didn't like the bitcoin idea because we have drugs and porn listed in wiki.

Jeffpod

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The only people who don't like drugs, are people who have never tried any form of the freeing release that many illegal drugs give. Shocked

BitterTea

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Quote from: xf2_org on April 30, 2011, 10:40:55 AM

Listing drugs on the wiki is bad marketing, pure and simple.

It also implies that the entire bitcoin community endorses drugs, which is vehemently not true.

Wikipedia links to methods to synthesize illegal drugs. It implies that the entire internet community endorses drugs, which is vehemently not true.

Roll Eyes

sortedmush

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Quote from: xf2_org on April 30, 2011, 10:40:55 AM

Listing drugs on the wiki is bad marketing, pure and simple.

It also implies that the entire bitcoin community endorses drugs, which is vehemently not true.

Pure and simple? Can't argue with that. That's some serious air tight logic.
It implies nothing. It is simply a finger, pointing in the direction of a product. A product nobody is forcing anybody to buy.

xf2_org

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Listing drugs on the wiki is bad marketing, pure and simple.

It also implies that the entire bitcoin community endorses drugs, which is vehemently not true.

jamen

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Quote from: fetokun on April 27, 2011, 03:03:29 AM

to me, the question is: how much are we willing to compromise in order to make bitcoins popular?

It seems to me that almost everybody here agrees that governments have no business in regulating what substances a person can or cannot eat/chew/smoke/drink/etc... But still a lot of us agree on removing the drug listing from the wiki in order to not attract negative attention from people who have the opposite opinion about drugs.

I totally agree.

I believe there is no right or wrong answer in this case, as we are not debating if drugs should be illegal or not, we are debating whether listing drugs on the wiki is a good marketing strategy. It depends on who you are pitching to, if it's the average person then probably it is a good strategy but if it's towards govts or corporations, it will most likely deter them a little.

But the hard part is that bitcoins are fundamentaly free, open, unregulated etc, and that censorship is not compatible with the model. So censoring the wiki would go against the bitcoin ideals, but on the other hand it gives a small impression that btc are used by drug dealers and vigilantes etc.

I really don't think there is a correct answer in this case, it depends on what level you look at it from. That is my unbiased logical opinion.

Now my personal emotional opinion: I think some drugs could be listed especially those that are beneficial to our bodies (medicines etc) and also some that are more psychoactive, that I believe actually help us understand things better, but NOT cr*ck or crystalm*th...

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2. I never understood why libertarians, who think "liberty", whatever that means, is some sort of ultimate moral principle, support the manipulation of people into surrendering their liberty and free will to drug addiction (or, in the case of hallucinogenics climbing , to a state of detachment from reality).

I never understood why fascists support the manipulation of Christians into a religion that removes their free will, and entraps them in a state of perpetual detachment from reality. Actually I do understand it perfectly. They want LSD illegal because it lets people experience God for themselves (and he is much nicer and less fond of them than they make it out to be!), where as if they go to church the preacher will tell them about God and lie in such a way that he can manipulate them to the whims of the fascists and create a self perpetuating mind virus that allows for control of the masses. Taking LSD breaks those chains so it must be outlawed.

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