Should Everything Be Decentralized? - page 2.

The Bad Guy

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Quote from: rockyrotcoin on March 02, 2015, 10:13:35 AM

It should not be.

Malicious people will take advantage if everything is decentralized.
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It should be . At least some people start using their brains by then .
Instead of just trading (or anything else) without thinking then they go back to the police or whatever .

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Quote from: The Bad Guy on March 01, 2015, 12:15:00 PM

Decentralization should be on the Internet it self also .
Like http://maidsafe.net/ project for example of Kim Dotcom MegaNet project . so yes everything should be Decentralized .

Maid safe is the real shit. Kim Dotcoim is an opportunist, his stuff is not as legit.
Im going 75% in when the price goes back to 5000.

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It should not be.

Malicious people will take advantage if everything is decentralized.

HELP.org

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Quote from: The Bad Guy on March 01, 2015, 12:15:00 PM

Decentralization should be on the Internet it self also .
Like http://maidsafe.net/ project for example of Kim Dotcom MegaNet project . so yes everything should be Decentralized .

OK, let's start with your Bitcointalk account. You need to give up control and somehow put the account into the blockchain so we can come to some kind of decentralized consensus on what you will be posted by the account.

On the other hand you can consider https://piazza.com/princeton/spring2015/btctech/home instead of posting nonsense.

The Bad Guy

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Decentralization should be on the Internet it self also .
Like http://maidsafe.net/ project for example of Kim Dotcom MegaNet project . so yes everything should be Decentralized .

stopsigningbitch

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I have to agree with HELP.org, the vast majority of you don't even understand what goes along with decentralization. An example of how decentralization can't work on some things in the real world is:

1) Decentralization of companies (Those in the company uninformed or ignorant on matters should be given equal right as those that are specially trained on such matters? Cashier vs Manager, think about it)
2) Decentralization of Public Transportation (This would cost anyone using Public Transportation much more money than they're using for it now, as you'd be responsible for contributing aka buying miners, and Also how would any repairs get done or any improvements?)
and more

As he pointed out, Reddit is not decentralized. If you want decentralization on the scale that Bitcoin has it or for everything in life, then you need to prepare to fork out a lot of $ just to keep doing what you're doing for relatively cheap today.

Get real people.

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Quote from: chmod755 on February 20, 2015, 09:44:47 PM

Some people in Bitcoin are arguing that everything (or most things) should be decentralized. I firmly disagree with them, and here's why:

1. There's only a limited amount of world-class programmers - if they are working on 1000 different projects it's very likely that 950 of these projects won't be used by more than just a few people - effectively wasting a lot of time that could be used to make a huge project.

2. Usability: Most projects that are trying to "decentralize" are not user-friendly at all. Companies however are building very user-friendly software and manage to actually attract a lot of users (see: coinbase.com)

There are certainly a few cool projects that are decentralized, but most of them will probably remain to be unknown by the general public.

Comments?

I like the notion of decentralization. In terms of everything being decentralized, that's a bit to black and white, and extreme. Decentralization should not happen for it's own sake, but for the sake of utility.

However, stating that there are very few great programmers out as being a reason to not have decentralization does not sit well with me personally. In fact I think that's why decentralization should happen as it might create incentive so that more people learn how to program and therefore yield a larger pool of great programmers.

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Quote from: AtheistAKASaneBrain on February 26, 2015, 10:41:51 AM

The problem is we have people like Bill Gates not fully endorsing Bitcoin because they are scared of its decentralized nature.

That's not what he said. In the videos where he talks about Bitcoin he says that he's concerned about criminals using it, but he likes that it's cheaper than traditional payment methods.

A few members of the Bitcoin community are actively taking steps to make it more difficult for criminals to use Bitcoin, but we need more.

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The problem is we have people like Bill Gates not fully endorsing Bitcoin because they are scared of its decentralized nature.

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Quote from: MarihuanaStocks on February 25, 2015, 03:18:16 PM

Quote from: HELP.org on February 25, 2015, 02:53:40 PM

Quote from: MarihuanaStocks on February 25, 2015, 02:17:41 PM

Internet allready has done a lot for decentralisation. Now everyone can sell his stuff on amazon, has a platform for his show or music on Youtube. Twitter and Facebook helped destroying totalitarian regimes all around the world.

The Internet did many things just like Bitcoin can do many things but it does not fundamentally change human nature which is what some of the "wing nuts" and cultists are claiming.

A friend of mine often talks about some very weird esoteric-stuff. He told me: The peoples minds will be connected..bla..bla..bla..

I said: The peoples minds ARE allready connected!And Web 3.0 is what you are waiting for!

He said: NO! Thats nonsense, it's for kids, NSA and geeks.

The internet makes what human nature can not do...it connects us ALL.

And so does/will bitcoin as a globally decentralized currency

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Quote from: HELP.org on February 25, 2015, 02:53:40 PM

Quote from: MarihuanaStocks on February 25, 2015, 02:17:41 PM

Internet allready has done a lot for decentralisation. Now everyone can sell his stuff on amazon, has a platform for his show or music on Youtube. Twitter and Facebook helped destroying totalitarian regimes all around the world.

The Internet did many things just like Bitcoin can do many things but it does not fundamentally change human nature which is what some of the "wing nuts" and cultists are claiming.

A friend of mine often talks about some very weird esoteric-stuff. He told me: The peoples minds will be connected..bla..bla..bla..

I said: The peoples minds ARE allready connected!And Web 3.0 is what you are waiting for!

He said: NO! Thats nonsense, it's for kids, NSA and geeks.

The internet makes what human nature can not do...it connects us ALL.

MarihuanaStocks

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Yes it was developed in the USA. And yes i know ICANN.

I guess you are talking about issues of data-privacy? But isn't exactly that a central point in
ethereum-development and the whole "CRYPTO-community"? Data-security?

I mean, Tor, PGP, Bitcoin, Ethereum and so on... Their purpose is to realize more privacy!

HELP.org

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Quote from: MarihuanaStocks on February 25, 2015, 02:17:41 PM

Internet allready has done a lot for decentralisation. Now everyone can sell his stuff on amazon, has a platform for his show or music on Youtube. Twitter and Facebook helped destroying totalitarian regimes all around the world.

The Internet did many things just like Bitcoin can do many things but it does not fundamentally change human nature which is what some of the "wing nuts" and cultists are claiming.

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better everyday ♥

Quote from: R2D221 on February 25, 2015, 02:33:41 PM

Quote from: MarihuanaStocks on February 25, 2015, 02:30:37 PM

Depends on which government and military you mean and in which context?

USA. Who do you think developed Internet?

Correct, ARPANET was the first successful project entailing networked computers across the US.

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Quote from: MarihuanaStocks on February 25, 2015, 02:30:37 PM

Depends on which government and military you mean and in which context?

USA. Who do you think developed Internet?

MarihuanaStocks

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Depends on which government and military you mean and in which context?

I heard, Erdogan is not really happy about facebook?

R2D221

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Quote from: MarihuanaStocks on February 25, 2015, 02:17:41 PM

What did the internet look like, in the first years? A toy-network for students?

For the military and government, you mean.

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First of all i'd say: No dogmatism!

Like Rome wasn't created in one day, so won't Ethereum. What did the internet look like, in the first years? A toy-network for students?

For sure, the internet is not real life. But it helps to connect real live and made a lot of things much easier and cheaper in the past years. Also it undermined censorship and bought truth with an endless mass of independent news channels aso.

Internet allready has done a lot for decentralisation. Now everyone can sell his stuff on amazon, has a platform for his show or music on Youtube. Twitter and Facebook helped destroying totalitarian regimes all around the world.

Not long ago, people said: What do you want with the internet? It's a useless toy for little kids and geeks!

Look at it now...

Blockchain technology is like a new internet. And again i hear the people saying:
Blockchain is far of reality.

Why?

I think the dominating financial system is so far of reality, that this technology is not only needed, it is the true essence of all needs. <3

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Quote from: MarihuanaStocks on February 24, 2015, 02:39:20 PM

Quote from: HELP.org on February 24, 2015, 08:28:32 AM

Quote from: redsn0w on February 24, 2015, 08:11:33 AM

Maybe we will never obtain a 100% decentralization, because I think the people will start to think decentralization = anarchy but it isn't the same thing. Instead we can decentralize the life aspect as the approach with the government's institutions but it will take some time (and remember the governments can no longer be corrupt, or "bribe").

The slide from the Nakamoto Institute : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPY-5SR-jPQ#t=1063

Of course they use Satoshi's name without permission to try to gain attention for themselves and they claim to know Satoshi's intentions based on cult-like reasoning and wild speculation. They call themselves an "institute" and give themselves titles like "director of research" yet they have no peer review whatsoever outside their small group of nut jobs and they sit around calling everyone else stupid like a bunch of unemployed teenagers who sit around making fun of people going to work..

You can never stop government corruption or change the fundamental nature of human society by running a blockchain . You can maybe affect certain things and disrupt some business models but it is not reasonable to expect more than that. Here is an example of how most people see the Bitcoin "wing nuts" (Note that this guy is starting a business based on cryptocurrencies and not some anti-Bitcoin person)

https://blog.caseykuhlman.com/entries/2014/bitcoin-somaliland.html

I say: Yes, you can! Imagine, that the right ethereum-agent could do all administrative work for a city! If you see a road hole somewhere, you post it on mist and then all people that are responsible for that street vote for repairing it, so the ethereum agent advertises the work to several company's that return competing offers. Everything transparent, fair and cheap. How nice would that be?

What makes it possible? The Blockchain!

You understand the problem of 51% attacks, but you don't understand the problem with democracy?
If 51% of the people control 100% of the tax-money(in fact they even control money printing)..what do you think will happen?

Something being possible is not the same as motivation to do something. It all sounds great if you live your life in a video game or a John Lennon song but this is the real world.

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#Free market

Quote from: chmod755 on February 24, 2015, 09:05:45 PM

Quote from: MarihuanaStocks on February 24, 2015, 02:39:20 PM

I say: Yes, you can! Imagine, that the right ethereum-agent could do all administrative work for a city!

Can you do that? Most Ethereum-related things I've seen are rather lame.

I would like to see what ethereum will do (if it will be released). Can it help the decentralization ? Oraclize can do the same (about decentralization) and it has been already released.

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