Should Gavin resign from developement of Bitcoin? [POLL] - page 4.

Quickseller

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Quote from: the joint on June 02, 2015, 02:36:28 PM

It's so refreshing that people are making such definitive conclusions about a dev who has guided development of this project for years, especially when they are so technically versed about the issue at hand Roll Eyes

My guess is that somewhere between 90-99.9% of people who are weighing in on this subject have absolutely no clue about what the technical ramifications of his proposal actually are. People are just upset their investments might dwindle, and their concerns are based on what they hear from the 100th person in a game of telephone.

I think people who are heavily invested in various alt coins are most likely going to want the 20 MB fork to fail. If the fork fails then bitcoin will not be able to ever reach mainstream adoption and as a result as bitcoin gets more popular, people will be forced to also start to use alt coins as well which will push up the value of various shitcoins.

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It's so refreshing that people are making such definitive conclusions about a dev who has guided development of this project for years, especially when they are so technically versed about the issue at hand Roll Eyes

My guess is that somewhere between 90-99.9% of people who are weighing in on this subject have absolutely no clue about what the technical ramifications of his proposal actually are. People are just upset their investments might dwindle, and their concerns are based on what they hear from the 100th person in a game of telephone.

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Quote from: MrZigler on June 02, 2015, 02:38:14 AM

That thing about the fork not happening until 90 % of nodes are running XT, that is going to change too.

These guys on a power trip have no intentions of waiting for 90 % of the nodes.

Get ready because if this powergrab is allowed to go unchalleged next thing is the 21 million BTC limit along with changing the target time.

They will definitely wait for the 90% before the fork happens because if they didn't it would completely screw up both the original and the new. This would devalue Bitcoin, and everyone would lose confidence in Gavin if he caused the fork to occur so that there actually are two separate coins that essentially doubles any amount of Bitcoin people have right now. He would loose his power and his power grab would fail if he screws up the way that it forks.

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Quote from: tvbcof on June 02, 2015, 02:24:39 AM

Quote from: Pecunia non olet on June 02, 2015, 01:24:52 AM

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lol, i'm actually really bad with this stuff Grin

LOL! True. That's half of the reason it is so funny.

Here is my even more lame attempt:

digicoin

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"Crash the price" A kid says. Ha ha. Cheesy

forlackofabettername

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You know you don't have consensus, when your proposal crashes the price. What more do you want to know? The market already declined his allures, in fact people are so upset around 50% of people votes for Gavin to leave developement. I think this case is crystal clear.

LiteCoinGuy

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man, you are one of the biggest trolls here

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Quote from: Amph on June 02, 2015, 01:21:08 AM

no, on the contrary he should be the only one in charge, the others 4 should resign instead, it's better to have only one guy that deal with the whole client, after all this whole thing starteg with satoshi only

this

Agestorzrxx

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I really feel bad about recently fork things. When I know bitcoin, I realize it's the way going to freedom. And charge your money by yourself. But this things just show me we only waiting the things happened.

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Quote from: deine mudder on June 01, 2015, 10:43:32 PM

-Gavin is the only dev who supports this proposal

Gavin's method of slowly raising block limit is simple and it works. The other proposed sidechain method is complicated and premature. He is out numbered not because his direction is wrong, it's because the other devs have "personal interests" on their solution.

Quote from: deine mudder on June 01, 2015, 10:43:32 PM

-Gavin was planning to foist his and Hearns' XT altcoin on the community for one year plus and this was all planned for a long time.

The others devs' founded Blockstream, it was all planned for a long time too. It has been receiving millions of funding from "investors". Are these devs likely to push their sidechain tech or follow Gavin's method?

Quote from: deine mudder on June 01, 2015, 10:43:32 PM

-Gavin caused a decline in the price of Bitcoin which could possibly turn into panic selling (we don't know yet)
-Gavin caused a serious loss in investors confidence and thus harmed Bitcoin greatly

Gavin did not cause the difference in opinion among the devs. All the devs as a group caused it. Besides, panic selling and loss in investors confidence is speculation.

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Quote from: MicroGuy on June 01, 2015, 11:18:36 PM

It goes like this: Satoshi > Gavin > Community
Not like this: Satoshi > Community > Gavin
If you put the community in the middle there will be total chaos with no direction or cure. The community must go with flow chart A.

Wrong.

Network Consensus > Community > Core Developers > Satoshi > Gavin

onewiseguy

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Quote from: MicroGuy on June 01, 2015, 11:18:36 PM

It goes like this: Satoshi > Gavin > Community

Not like this: Satoshi > Community > Gavin

If you put the community in the middle there will be total chaos with no direction or cure. The community must go with flow chart A.

I like your stat on that Bitcoin was meant to be decentralized and Mr. gavin wants the whole cake.

Does not look so good. at the same time what makes Gavin a bad dude I have seen a couple of his videos. Up to this point seems like a far guy.

Am I missing something?

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Quote from: Amph on June 02, 2015, 01:21:08 AM

no, on the contrary he should be the only one in charge, the others 4 should resign instead, it's better to have only one guy that deal with the whole client, after all this whole thing starteg with satoshi only

If anyone thinks Bitcoin needs a leader, I highly recommend:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/37vg8y/is_the_blockstream_company_the_reason_why_4_core/crqnnni

Quote from: Greg Maxwell on Reddit /r/Bitcoin

You can mentally replace "leader" with "point of failure" or "target to compromise" and not be too far off the mark

jacktheking

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I read lot of things about this particular person. And I voted for Yes. I feel that he is making Bitcoin complex and uneasy for everyone.

MrZigler

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The other devs like Peter Todd have done such a good job putting out evidence that dramatically increasing the blocksize will lead to centralization of bitcoin that instead of refuting it the pro Gavin power grab are a screaming chorus of urgency and crisis reminding me of when there is a bill like the patriot act being pushed through congress.

Many are already decloaking and admitting an elitist centralization agenda.

That thing about the fork not happening until 90 % of nodes are running XT, that is going to change too.

These guys on a power trip have no intentions of waiting for 90 % of the nodes.

Get ready because if this powergrab is allowed to go unchalleged next thing is the 21 million BTC limit along with changing the target time.

The Gavin Regime will turn into Darth Vader saying "I'm altering the deal, pray I don't alter it any further"

tvbcof

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Quote from: Pecunia non olet on June 02, 2015, 01:24:52 AM

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lol, i'm actually really bad with this stuff Grin

LOL! True. That's half of the reason it is so funny.

Amph

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lol, how Gavin fork is centralized more than the whole bitcoin itself, built by one whole man, explain? it can't be, i just see it as a mandatory upgrade, the other proposal is even more shit if you really want to ask me, so by how i see it we have no choice

lucky we still have time, if in some months some better alternative will come up, i could change my mind

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Quote from: Amph on June 02, 2015, 01:21:08 AM

no, on the contrary he should be the only one in charge, the others 4 should resign instead, it's better to have only one guy that deal with the whole client, after all this whole thing starteg with satoshi only

I think you'll gladly join his centralised shitcoin and let your coins be blcklisted and funds frozen by the govt, am i right?
I hope you can accept that many people don't share Gavins' vision of a shitcoin to buy coffee which will be more like ripple than it will be like Bitcoin and maybe you can see there will be no consensus for this shit.

Look what i found:

or maybe more like a trojan horse?

lol, i'm actually really bad with this stuff Grin

Amph

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no, on the contrary he should be the only one in charge, the others 4 should resign instead, it's better to have only one guy that deal with the whole client, after all this whole thing starteg with satoshi only

Pecunia non olet

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Quote from: anderson00673 on June 02, 2015, 12:56:49 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on June 01, 2015, 11:52:22 PM

Just WTF. I am not sure why so many people are so strongly against the fork to allow for 20 MB blocks. Especially random newbie accounts. It seems that someone might be using shills to make it look like more people are against the fork then what really are Roll Eyes

Yeah and I am surprised that they don't pony up a few coins to buy some FM and senior member accounts, the cheap bastards. The noob accounts make it pretty obvious what is going on. How does a noob have such strong opinions on things? I didn't even know wtf the blockchain was when I first signed up, let alone be familiar with inside details about the developers.

The 'noob'-ad hominem. Again. If i only would get a satoshi each time i need to read that particular ad hominem i would be lying on the beach of Jamaica or something.
This forum is the same shit over and over again on all threads. Are you not getting tired of saying the same crap over and over again?

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