Topic: Should Gavin resign from developement of Bitcoin? [POLL] - page 5. (Read 5183 times)

It would be good if everyone just ignored him and never ever even discusses to accept anything he codes. Best would be he comes out and says he's not coding for btc anymore because otherwise we have to deal with such bullshit all the time. He needs to make an altcoin because he is mentally not big enough to lead a decentralised open source project that requires a consensus of a large group of people. In an altcoin he can be the king and have a coin with 3 nodes of which are all hosted by him personally and all his minions can support him there.

Yeah and I am surprised that they don't pony up a few coins to buy some FM and senior member accounts, the cheap bastards.  The noob accounts make it pretty obvious what is going on.  How does a noob have such strong opinions on things?  I didn't even know wtf the blockchain was when I first signed up, let alone be familiar with inside details about the developers.

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Inserted links so you're having a harder time spreading lies. If i wasn't so worn out i could easily provide a lot more evidence for all the listed points. I might do tomorrow.

Some people are blowing this out of proportion .... Gavin suggested a change to benefit the Bitcoin protocol. {If the change is not done, we might have problems in the future}

He cannot get consensus about this change and then he went the wrong route to force this change, by suggesting him leaving Bitcoin and supporting Bitcoin-XT {More debate should have been the better option}

I did not like the way it was handled, but I can see why it was done and what the impact for the future will be, if it's not done.

Let's say, NO change is done, and Bitcoin fails... Gavin will be blamed. If he apply the change on a NEW fork, and the implementation is successfull, you can still follow the NEW route. {So it seems}

Does that make any sense? {This is how I understand it}  

False!  It's not 'his' XT altcoin but rather Mike Hearns'.  Gavin simply wants to merge Bitcoin under the project.  Gavin is the putative leader of Bitcoin so anyone who doesn't like it can go suck an egg.

So you are in support of a power grab so Gavin is the sole decision maker just because some other people in the devteam work on offchain transactions which are actually a benefit for bitcoin and don't require to damage it?
So these other devs are guilty and biased now because they oppose a centralisation idea and work on stuff that gets max txs up?
Don't you think Gavin is biased too like Hitler was biased with his power grab in germany?
If you support a monarchy you can do that but don't expect people to listen to your bullshit much longer.

This "HUGE" conflict of interest does not exist. It is propaganda by the Gavin cocksuckers same as the "urgency" gavin imagines all the time was all propaganda and lies. We are seeing through it. You can stop trying to tell lies 24/7 because it gets you nowhere. Most of you gavin-cocksuckers talk is lies. Please go to gavincoin, the bitcoin community won't follow you and some would be really greatful if gavin would leave so the price can recover.

All i get to read here is a lot of manipulative and misleading bullshit from you folks. Reddit is worse.

This... this... and this +1

Right, but it turns out his announcement was really low then. Really, really low.
Read it again: http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34155307/

I don't think that is how he should talk to the community. This letter/announcement is a failure. He is a failure. He failed and it turns out he is harming the coin so what's the problem with him fucking off to his altcoin and leaving bitcoin alone? There is no problem with that. Who has a problem with it can go support his altcoin.

The truth of the matter is: this whole discussion is a waste of time for everyone involved. The easiest way for everyone is if he would resign.

So what's this 'left behind' shit then? How can he even adress the community in this tone? Is this an april fools joke or what? He behaves like fuckin' Hitler! Take away his bloody alert keys already! This guy is a danger to Bitcoin.

Amen https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1077912

Just WTF. I am not sure why so many people are so strongly against the fork to allow for 20 MB blocks. Especially random newbie accounts. It seems that someone might be using shills to make it look like more people are against the fork then what really are

I do not see any other way that would allow for bitcoin to not become a centralized money transmission service similar to western union other then to allow the max block size to grow. I also think this is only one step in the right direction as more needs to be done to allow for the network to handle a greater number of tps.

No, because the team that opposes him has a HUGE conflict of interest.  They will benefit from strangling the bitcoin, they will profit from your pockets.  Its called blockstream and it is the reason for this mess.  Not Gavin.  He is trying to look ahead and fix problems before they happen.  I wish everyone would educate themselves on the matter and not spread FUD.  There will be no alt coin, there will be no double coin, in fact the switchover should be invisible for the casual bitcoin holder/user.  I hate having to type these things over and over, but I will keep doing it as long as the cancerous fud spreads.

EVERYBODY PLEASE STOP WITH THE FUD!!!!!.

The fork IS NOT an altcoin. It is a fork that will happen when >95% of the last 1000 blocks mined conform to the new version rules.

possibly true.

Stop spreading FUD and rumors if you don't know yet.

We don't know yet if these are true. Prove it. Find specific quotes of him publicly saying things that blackmail, lie, and show that he doesn't care for decentralization.

Not true. If you read above about how the blockchain will be forked, he is respecting consensus because the vast majority of the miners and thus nodes will need to upgrade.

Both possible, but first is rumor and FUD, no proof.

I think you are wrong.

It goes like this: Satoshi > Gavin > Community

Not like this: Satoshi > Community > Gavin

If you put the community in the middle there will be total chaos with no direction or cure. The community must go with flow chart A.

So it turns out:
-Gavin was planning to foist his and Hearns' XT altcoin on the community for one year plus and this was all planned for a long time. (http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/37vg8y/is_the_blockstream_company_the_reason_why_4_core/crqbd78)
-Gavin is the only dev who supports this proposal (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/34y48z/mike_hearn_the_capacity_cliff_and_why_we_cant_use/cqz9xf3)
-Gavin caused attrition not only for the devteam but for all of the community
-He caused a lot of important people in the space to be upset and even some devs threaten to leave
-Gavin caused a decline in the price of Bitcoin which could possibly turn into panic selling (we don't know yet)
-Gavin caused a serious loss in investors confidence and thus harmed Bitcoin greatly
-He sends blackmail letters to the Bitcoin community "do how i say or else ..."
-He doesn't care for decentralisation
-He lies about many things
-He tried a power grab and sides with people who support blacklisting of coins
-He caused massive unease for everyone for prolonged time
-He has no idea what consensus is or disrespects it willfully
-A majority of the community thinks he is a CIA mole (he lost his marbles)
-He threatens to risk network consensus and thus the value of a lot of peoples' investement

There are certainly more things to list. I'll complete the list later on.

I think it's time to think about if he is really an asset for Bitcoin or more of a burden right now. I have a feeling Bitcoin could rebound +10% if he would resign and thus end this discussion and bring back some investors confidence again. What do you think?