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Topic: Should I make the jump to segwit? (Read 536 times)

sr. member
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May 17, 2019, 01:21:25 PM
#28
I had hopes it was some sort of secret coded message... or a private key to satoshi's millions... but alas, I believe it is just random chars in threads/posts he couldn't figure out how to delete? Huh

AFAIK there are at least 2 restriction when delete posts :
1. You cannot delete thread created by yourself
2. There are few boards where you're not allowed to delete your own posts (but you still can edit)

I think you guys like made him rage quit a forum lmao!

I doubt it.

On a side note, you should lock the thread to prevent further off-topic if you're satisfied with the answer.

Yeah, you guys are the homies thanks for the answers.

Also, this thread makes me proud to have this as my 500th post.

Closing thread

Love you all Smiley
legendary
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May 17, 2019, 03:23:55 AM
#27
what the hell, didn't he have like 300 posts? Looking at his post history, seems like something in him snapped.

Ye.. he had about 220 - 280 posts. Something like that.



According to him, he was searched by several governments or some shit like this. Maybe he's just cleaning his tracks?

lol

Maybe he got arrested and the leading special operator needed to destroy all of his valuable information he has given to us about BTC and possible improvements.  Smiley



I think you guys like made him rage quit a forum lmao!

He probably just was an alt for trolling.



P.s. I know that this post of mine is completely off-topic. Feel free to report / delete it. Just had to put in my two satoshis.
sr. member
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May 16, 2019, 04:38:34 PM
#26
Did all of Antimaxwellians comments just disappear?

I mean, I'm all for removing spam, but this just destroys the entire dialogue and thread as a whole...

Come on ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


edit: Or did he remove them all himself?
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https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/antimaxwellian-2589061

what the hell, didn't he have like 300 posts? Looking at his post history, seems like something in him snapped.

I think you guys like made him rage quit a forum lmao!
HCP
legendary
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May 16, 2019, 04:32:52 PM
#25
According to him, he was searched by several governments or some shit like this. Maybe he's just cleaning his tracks?
@TryNinja Lol.  Did you read that in his posts, or did he divulge that information to you privately?  He did seemed like the tinfoil hat type. 
Yes, he mentioned several times about being under surveillance from government agents and the like...


https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/antimaxwellian-2589061
what the hell, didn't he have like 300 posts? Looking at his post history, seems like something in him snapped.
I had hopes it was some sort of secret coded message... or a private key to satoshi's millions... but alas, I believe it is just random chars in threads/posts he couldn't figure out how to delete? Huh
legendary
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May 16, 2019, 03:17:57 PM
#24
@TryNinja Lol.  Did you read that in his posts, or did he divulge that information to you privately?  He did seemed like the tinfoil hat type.  

Oh well, I got tired of reporting his shitposts, and maybe he got tired of all the PMs informing him his shitposts were deleted.  
He posted that once when answering one of my posts.

Unfortunately, Maggiordomo (mention bot) only quotes you a part of the post where you got tagged. But I'm pretty sure that was it:

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May 16, 2019, 03:16:27 PM
#23
@TryNinja Lol.  Did you read that in his posts, or did he divulge that information to you privately?  He did seemed like the tinfoil hat type.  

Oh well, I got tired of reporting his shitposts, and maybe he got tired of all the PMs informing him his shitposts were deleted.

ETA: @OP, to answer your question: Yes.
legendary
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May 16, 2019, 03:10:49 PM
#22
According to him, he was searched by several governments or some shit like this. Maybe he's just cleaning his tracks?

lol
legendary
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May 16, 2019, 02:50:57 PM
#21
Did all of Antimaxwellians comments just disappear?

I mean, I'm all for removing spam, but this just destroys the entire dialogue and thread as a whole...

Come on ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


edit: Or did he remove them all himself?
--
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/antimaxwellian-2589061

what the hell, didn't he have like 300 posts? Looking at his post history, seems like something in him snapped.
legendary
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May 16, 2019, 05:13:19 AM
#20
edit:

now in a fee war, the cost of a tx increases, so I don't see how you can claim it a 'savings'.

With segwit you pay less fees than with a legacy transactions.

Therefore you save on fees with segwit compared to legacy. How can that be misunderstood?  Roll Eyes

It doesn't matter whether the fees are at 1 sat/B or 1000 sat/B. A X% decreased fee with segwit will always lead to a cheaper fee with segwit -> save on fees.
legendary
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May 16, 2019, 04:58:12 AM
#19
As for how many UTXOs I have in my mining wallet there are hundreds maybe even close to a thousand at one point
A thousand UTXOs is ridiculous. There are three things you can do here to reduce your fees:

1) Switch to SegWit, as discussed above
2) Increase your minimum payout level further. Increasing to 0.05 if a good first step, but if you are still sitting with hundreds of UTXOs, then obviously you aren't spending the coins that quickly, and therefore don't need them to be sent to you that frequently. Sounds like you could quite easily increase to 0.1 or 0.2 and not be left desperately waiting for a payout.
3) Consolidate your inputs. Now is a bad time to do so, as you can see from how full the mempool is: https://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#1,2d. It may take days, weeks, or even months, to settle down again. Keep an eye on the graph, and once we get back to the range of 1-2 sat/byte transactions confirming within 24 hours, consolidate to 1 UTXO.


Electrum was trying to make me pay close to $200 moving a little over a grand out of one of my wallets today and I was like hellll no and used a wallet that had me pay like $15 and I was content with that
Electrum will let you pay anything you want to pay. Go to Tools -> Preferences and check the box "Edit fees manually".
sr. member
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May 16, 2019, 01:02:33 AM
#18
How much will I save on fees really though that's my question. I get paid out from slushpool every .02 and my list of coins in electrum is really long so I figure big transactions of moving lots of coins I could pay less fees.
The answer is... it depends.

The two main factors will be how many UTXOs do you have? (that is to say, in Electrum, how many individual entries are on the "coins" tab?)... and what the fee "rates" are like when you create a transaction.

One other thing to consider... is it possible to increase the slushpool minimum payout level so that you generate less UTXOs in the first place? Huh


Yeah I just set the payout to .05 to have less UTXOs

As for how many UTXOs I have in my mining wallet there are hundreds maybe even close to a thousand at one point but I did consolidate the coins at one point a few months back when fees were lower.


Has it been long enough where I can safely move all my coins from legacy to segwit wallets to save on fees or is the adoption not as widespread as I think it now is?
Perhaps you should spend more time reading the OP... and a little less time finding youtube videos of crickets Roll Eyes

HCP is correct XD


I think my best course of action is to increase my min payout from slushpool. The other thing I could do is have my newly mined coins go to a nested segwit wallet. If memory is correct lighting uses nested segwit so for me to get the benefit of taking the least amount of fees I would have to convert legacy to nested segwit at some point regardless and I should wait for transactions to decrease. Electrum was trying to make me pay close to $200 moving a little over a grand out of one of my wallets today and I was like hellll no and used a wallet that had me pay like $15 and I was content with that... Which is sad in itself because back in the early days I remember paying a fraction of a penny if that.
sr. member
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May 16, 2019, 12:57:48 AM
#17
How much will I save on fees really though that's my question. I get paid out from slushpool every .02 and my list of coins in electrum is really long so I figure big transactions of moving lots of coins I could pay less fees.
The answer is... it depends.

The two main factors will be how many UTXOs do you have? (that is to say, in Electrum, how many individual entries are on the "coins" tab?)... and what the fee "rates" are like when you create a transaction.

One other thing to consider... is it possible to increase the slushpool minimum payout level so that you generate less UTXOs in the first place? Huh


Yeah I just set the payout to .05 to have less UTXOs

As for how many UTXOs I have in my mining wallet there are hundreds maybe even close to a thousand at one point but I did consolidate the coins at one point a few months back when fees were lower.


Has it been long enough where I can safely move all my coins from legacy to segwit wallets to save on fees or is the adoption not as widespread as I think it now is?
Perhaps you should spend more time reading the OP... and a little less time finding youtube videos of crickets Roll Eyes

HCP is correct XD
HCP
legendary
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May 16, 2019, 12:15:24 AM
#16
What about 1 input, 1 output?
The size of an "Output" is relatively small compared to inputs.  That coinb.in calculator fixes it to 34 bytes per "legacy" output and 32 bytes per "P2SH" output. So, each output doesn't affect the overall transaction size nearly as much as an input does.

Rough calculations suggest the savings actually increases slightly to about 28% for Nested and around 42% for native (if 1 input+1 output).

Forgot to mention in last post, that by "size" of a transaction I mean "virtual size". A good explanation of virtual size and "weight" and how it affects fee rate calculations.


Has it been long enough where I can safely move all my coins from legacy to segwit wallets to save on fees or is the adoption not as widespread as I think it now is?
Perhaps you should spend more time reading the OP... and a little less time finding youtube videos of crickets Roll Eyes
HCP
legendary
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May 15, 2019, 11:07:46 PM
#15
How much will I save on fees really though that's my question. I get paid out from slushpool every .02 and my list of coins in electrum is really long so I figure big transactions of moving lots of coins I could pay less fees.
The answer is... it depends.

The two main factors will be how many UTXOs do you have? (that is to say, in Electrum, how many individual entries are on the "coins" tab?)... and what the fee "rates" are like when you create a transaction.

In terms of %, the numbers often quoted for fee reduction are:

Legacy (aka P2PKH) transaction: 226 bytes
Nested SegWit (aka P2SH-P2WPKH) tx: 168 bytes =~ 26% saving
Native SegWit (aka P2WPKH aka bc1) tx: 141 bytes =~ 38% saving

However, those values are for your "typical" 1 input, 2 output type transactions. Using something like the coinb.in/#fees calculator you can mess around with different values and we can see:
100 "legacy" inputs + 2 outputs = Chargable Transaction Size: 14874 bytes
100 "Nested SegWit" inputs + 2 outputs = Chargable Transaction Size: 10076 bytes

A difference of ~32%... which would equate to quite a substantial amount of BTC in times like this when BTC is pumping and "recommended" fees start pushing the 100+ sats/vByte mark! Shocked Shocked Shocked Although, you'd probably be advised to wait until the network isn't quite as busy and aim for that sweet sweet 1 sat/vByte fee rate Tongue

One other thing to consider... is it possible to increase the slushpool minimum payout level so that you generate less UTXOs in the first place? Huh
sr. member
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May 15, 2019, 08:39:50 PM
#14

How much will I save on fees really though that's my question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg

Was talking % wise on high input trans.
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May 15, 2019, 08:05:07 PM
#13
I'd suggest you use legacy addresses for long term storage and mind to short term use, go with segwit.
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May 15, 2019, 06:55:43 PM
#12
So nested segwite sounds like the way to go then since it is backwards compatible.
Probably, if you use a lot of online services. It's not that native SegWit isn't backwards compatible per se, just that some services don't support it yet.

Aren't some wallets with a "3" multisig I remember the few multisig transactions I have done they always used a 3.
Correct. All Pay-to-Script-Hash addresses start with 3. That script may be nested SegWit, may be multisig, or may be something totally different.

How much will I save on fees really though that's my question. I get paid out from slushpool every .02 and my list of coins in electrum is really long so I figure big transactions of moving lots of coins I could pay less fees.

Also, thank you!
legendary
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May 15, 2019, 05:06:53 PM
#11
So nested segwite sounds like the way to go then since it is backwards compatible.
Probably, if you use a lot of online services. It's not that native SegWit isn't backwards compatible per se, just that some services don't support it yet.

Aren't some wallets with a "3" multisig I remember the few multisig transactions I have done they always used a 3.
Correct. All Pay-to-Script-Hash addresses start with 3. That script may be nested SegWit, may be multisig, or may be something totally different.
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May 15, 2019, 04:52:05 PM
#10
Okay now I never heard of nested segwit. I mainly used bitcoin-qt and a ledger with electrum or ledger live.
So put very simply, there are 3 different types of bitcoin address:

Legacy addresses, which start with "1". These are also known as Pay-to-Public-Key-Hash or P2PKH.
Nested SegWit addresses, which start with "3". These are also known as Pay-to-Script-Hash or P2SH. (Note that while all nested SegWit addresses start with "3", not all addresses which start with "3" are nested SegWit, but you probably don't need to worry about this.)
Native SegWit addresses, which start with "bc1". There are also known as bech32.

If you were to create a new wallet with Electrum using your Ledger device, for example, you will be given these 3 options which I have listed above. Nested SegWit saves you some money on fees, and maintains full compatibility with all online bitcoin services. Native SegWit will save you more money on fees, but some services don't accept or recognize native SegWit yet: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bech32_adoption.



So nested segwite sounds like the way to go then since it is backwards compatible.

Aren't some wallets with a "3" multisig I remember the few multisig transactions I have done they always used a 3.
legendary
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May 15, 2019, 04:40:11 PM
#9
Okay now I never heard of nested segwit. I mainly used bitcoin-qt and a ledger with electrum or ledger live.
So put very simply, there are 3 different types of bitcoin address:

Legacy addresses, which start with "1". These are also known as Pay-to-Public-Key-Hash or P2PKH.
Nested SegWit addresses, which start with "3". These are also known as Pay-to-Script-Hash or P2SH. (Note that while all nested SegWit addresses start with "3", not all addresses which start with "3" are nested SegWit, but you probably don't need to worry about this.)
Native SegWit addresses, which start with "bc1". There are also known as bech32.

If you were to create a new wallet with Electrum using your Ledger device, for example, you will be given these 3 options which I have listed above. Nested SegWit saves you some money on fees, and maintains full compatibility with all online bitcoin services. Native SegWit will save you more money on fees, but some services don't accept or recognize native SegWit yet: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bech32_adoption.

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