Topic: Should newbies be restricted again? (Read 3264 times)
I vote yes.
they must be restricted!!!
faken newbies worst plague of bittalk.org should be restricted to 1 post per hour and no new topicos
"I'm sorry to say the lifting of the 'newbie' restrictions has made the board noticeably worse. To the point where I am seriously considering to stop using "my" subforum (speculation).
The number of new accounts aggressively opening useless threads is through the roof. I never had to put so many people on ignore as in the last week. And all of that, despite the subforum being run by a very competent mod (Blitz).
All in all, it really backfired, and I sincerely ask you to cohinsider adjusting your decision.
How about the following: Allow sub-forum mods to set a certain 'activity' value that a user has to have reached before he can post in this forum, and keep at least one forum unrestricted ('beginners' comes to mind), so the newbies can earn their activity points there.
I'm not proposing anything elitist here, so maybe you could rule out too high activity numbers being set for a sub-forum, but some "credence check" really seems necessary to keep signal/noise in acceptable levels."
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5020743
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The number of new accounts aggressively opening useless threads is through the roof. I never had to put so many people on ignore as in the last week. And all of that, despite the subforum being run by a very competent mod (Blitz).
All in all, it really backfired, and I sincerely ask you to cohinsider adjusting your decision.
How about the following: Allow sub-forum mods to set a certain 'activity' value that a user has to have reached before he can post in this forum, and keep at least one forum unrestricted ('beginners' comes to mind), so the newbies can earn their activity points there.
I'm not proposing anything elitist here, so maybe you could rule out too high activity numbers being set for a sub-forum, but some "credence check" really seems necessary to keep signal/noise in acceptable levels."
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5020743
This guy understands.
there was an increase in "send x.xx btc and get xxxxx btc in return" in gambling section, it's still a gamble though with a 0.0000000000000000000 odds.
anyway restricting them encourage them to buy accounts and it doesn't matter.
anyway restricting them encourage them to buy accounts and it doesn't matter.
Absolutely. Newbie's should be restricted and definitely should not be allowed to post on the Announcement pages to promote new shit coins. I have invested in some noob coins myself, after some considerably communication and research of the devs, but would trade it in a heartbeat to see the other 99 out of 100 threads that are B.S. be eliminated from this site.
I've already posted a few times about this in the other thread, the one that announced that newbie restrictions are lifted, but I'd like to summarize it once more here:
I would really love to see some form of a simplified 'approval' system for new users: Newbies are at first restricted to only post in a dedicated 'newbie' board, where ideally they should be asking questions about the protocol, how to securely set up a wallet, etc... just generally posting and showing that they can adhere to good form.
Now, any user who is a member for, say, 1 year or longer can go there and 'approve' a newly registered account. The standards for this 'approval' should be rather low: it doesn't mean we would only approve new accounts that made super-smart posts, but rather that if you see an account that has 5 or 10 posts, and is not yet approved, and you get the impression he's well behaved, you 'approve' him, i.e. he can post anywhere in the forum.
If that never happens, then after some time (say, 1 week maybe) the account is auto-approved.
The result would be that decently behaving new users would get approval more or less immediately after making a few posts in a restricted forum, and those who are too lazy to do that will eventually be able to post as well -- but hopefully the *impatient* trolls would have it harder.
The idea behind the above is a bit like how some of the Wikipedia projects have 'sighted' versions of articles: anyone can edit an article, but it takes an established account to confirm that an edit wasn't spam/trolling, and mark the article as 'sighted'.
I would really love to see some form of a simplified 'approval' system for new users: Newbies are at first restricted to only post in a dedicated 'newbie' board, where ideally they should be asking questions about the protocol, how to securely set up a wallet, etc... just generally posting and showing that they can adhere to good form.
Now, any user who is a member for, say, 1 year or longer can go there and 'approve' a newly registered account. The standards for this 'approval' should be rather low: it doesn't mean we would only approve new accounts that made super-smart posts, but rather that if you see an account that has 5 or 10 posts, and is not yet approved, and you get the impression he's well behaved, you 'approve' him, i.e. he can post anywhere in the forum.
If that never happens, then after some time (say, 1 week maybe) the account is auto-approved.
The result would be that decently behaving new users would get approval more or less immediately after making a few posts in a restricted forum, and those who are too lazy to do that will eventually be able to post as well -- but hopefully the *impatient* trolls would have it harder.
The idea behind the above is a bit like how some of the Wikipedia projects have 'sighted' versions of articles: anyone can edit an article, but it takes an established account to confirm that an edit wasn't spam/trolling, and mark the article as 'sighted'.
1 hour online before you can reply
2 hours online before you can post a topic
Vouch system for expediting non-spammers through.
Or something like that.
2 hours online before you can post a topic
Vouch system for expediting non-spammers through.
Or something like that.
BUMP!
We need to keep this thread at the top of the forum until something is done about it. I am tired of reading garbage/spam posts from newbie accounts.
Maybe we should create a (really) deep embedded sub forum and name it something like "veteráni". Hopefully all the new people would just ignore the the sub-forum. It could be our secret hideout away from all the newbies! Even better if it required a min post limit to enter!
We need to keep this thread at the top of the forum until something is done about it. I am tired of reading garbage/spam posts from newbie accounts.
Maybe we should create a (really) deep embedded sub forum and name it something like "veteráni". Hopefully all the new people would just ignore the the sub-forum. It could be our secret hideout away from all the newbies! Even better if it required a min post limit to enter!
Maybe a compromise would be newbies are prohibited from making new threads outside beginners, but can reply to existing threads.
I endorse that. Make it happen.
People would still be able to participate in discussions no matter how new they were. (There is still this hella annoying post restriction for newbies to prevent spam, which I belive does it's job quite well.) But they wouldn't be able to create their own. I believe this would truly decrease the "annoing" posts created by newcomers or even scammers.
I don't see the harm in requiring 5 posts in the newbie section and spending 1 hour online.
I would prefer it if they could have at least 28 activity before they could be able to start a topic. This would at least stop the crappy topics that are continually started in the wrong boards.
Maybe a compromise would be newbies are prohibited from making new threads outside beginners, but can reply to existing threads.
yes this would be good some kinda restriction to starting threads
Yes! I am sick of all these users with 0 posts posting shit in Bitcoin Discussion board.
I don't see the harm in requiring 5 posts in the newbie section and spending 1 hour online.
I don't see the harm in requiring 5 posts in the newbie section and spending 1 hour online.
Newbies have to be restricted. This is my proposal:
My idea is to implement a reputation score starting at 0 for newly created accounts. They can post anywhere but in the Markeplace section and can't send PMs. Whenever a member finds a post worthwhile, they can click on the button near the post to give some reputation points to its author. While a member has a reputation score < n, the Marketplace section and PMs are off limits to him/her.
In order to avoid abuse, newly created accounts have a reputation power (the number of rep points left on each click) of 0, so that scammers can't create multiple accounts with the sole purpose of giving each other rep points.
Also, each member category may have a different reputation power: x for Jr Members, y for Members, z for Sr Members, etc.
This way only people with a minimum threshold of quality contribution to the forum are entitled to the Markeplace section and PMs = 95% of scam attempts instantly gone.
In order to avoid abuse, newly created accounts have a reputation power (the number of rep points left on each click) of 0, so that scammers can't create multiple accounts with the sole purpose of giving each other rep points.
Also, each member category may have a different reputation power: x for Jr Members, y for Members, z for Sr Members, etc.
This way only people with a minimum threshold of quality contribution to the forum are entitled to the Markeplace section and PMs = 95% of scam attempts instantly gone.
I think earlier newbie restriction was too strict and instead of moving back to it if only we can restrict newbies from creating new threads most of the current issues would be resolved and at the same time the restrictions will be acceptable.
I'm a newbie and I could agree with this. Usually I only have a question to an existing subject. The only negative I can see is that a knowledgeable person who is also a newbie wouldn't be able to contribute and that actually restricts the flow of new ideas for the whole group. I have a newbie question however, how do I emerge from newbie to jr member?^^^ There are a lot of questions asked in the newbie section... The expert can simply answer those for the time being...
I think earlier newbie restriction was too strict and instead of moving back to it if only we can restrict newbies from creating new threads most of the current issues would be resolved and at the same time the restrictions will be acceptable.
I'm a newbie and I could agree with this. Usually I only have a question to an existing subject. The only negative I can see is that a knowledgeable person who is also a newbie wouldn't be able to contribute and that actually restricts the flow of new ideas for the whole group. I have a newbie question however, how do I emerge from newbie to jr member? $6 to join is to me quite reasonable. Here in the U.K. that equates to only £3.59. Christ I spend that on a paperback book to read up on things. Also for people to get information they could do what I did. I read lots of stuff on here and got lots of valuable information without needing to join. I only joined recently as I wanted to help put a bit of what I have learned back into help.
Just for the record, Theymos would never do that and I am glad that you guys dont own the forum...
Never? Oblivious to truth, obviously, but I'll let you sleep more. Just continue thinking there is something that does not change sooner or later, because
of one reason or another.
If this forum did charge money the bounce rate would go like crazy. Maybe only 1% will actually register. This forum was meant to be free, and will probably be free for the rest of its life. Why dont you create a separate thread and see how many people support your idea.
$6 to join is to me quite reasonable. Here in the U.K. that equates to only £3.59. Christ I spend that on a paperback book to read up on things. Also for people to get information they could do what I did. I read lots of stuff on here and got lots of valuable information without needing to join. I only joined recently as I wanted to help put a bit of what I have learned back into help.
Just for the record, Theymos would never do that and I am glad that you guys dont own the forum...
Never? Oblivious to truth, obviously, but I'll let you sleep more. Just continue thinking there is something that does not change sooner or later, because
of one reason or another.
If I had to pay, I wouldn't have joined this forum (mainly because at the time I didn't know how Bitcoin worked).
I still think 0.01 BTC payment to join this forum would help the most.
It is very difficult to get 0.01 nowadays, even when its value is just $6. It takes absolutely ages from faucets, impossible to mine from cpu, months from first gen asics, or may be a 50 mile drive to a bitcoin shop or atm.
$6 to join is to me quite reasonable. Here in the U.K. that equates to only £3.59. Christ I spend that on a paperback book to read up on things. Also for people to get information they could do what I did. I read lots of stuff on here and got lots of valuable information without needing to join. I only joined recently as I wanted to help put a bit of what I have learned back into help.
Just for the record, Theymos would never do that and I am glad that you guys dont own the forum...
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