Should the forum stop advertising mixers? - page 5.

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Quote from: Falconer on March 15, 2023, 02:48:25 PM

Quote from: dzungmobile on March 15, 2023, 01:24:24 PM

Should forum admin consider to stop all campaigns related to mixers?

Just stop if it's the last solution. But I don't think forum are going to stop it just because mixer services provide an opportunity for anyone to increase privacy. Abuse of the service should be excluded even if some people use the mixer to obfuscate their bitcoin transactions for prohibited things, the conditions should be the same as when bestmixer was confiscated. This means that the forum doesn't stop advertising other mixers.

So far I haven't gotten any red flags about the existence of a mixer on bitcointalk especially to anyone using it legally.

The FBI and other law enforcement agencies are still carrying out investigation therefore it will be too early to conclude the Chipmixer issue. Every product or service can be abused. It is not wise to just stop mixers advertisement because other users in countries outside of the US are not affected by this findings or investigation. The forum is an international platform that is not governed by the laws of any country that is why it might not stop the advertisement of mixers. Mixers are not generally bad but the wrong application of this service is what is giving this service a bad name.

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Quote from: dzungmobile on March 15, 2023, 01:24:24 PM

Should forum admin consider to stop all campaigns related to mixers?

Just stop if it's the last solution. But I don't think forum are going to stop it just because mixer services provide an opportunity for anyone to increase privacy. Abuse of the service should be excluded even if some people use the mixer to obfuscate their bitcoin transactions for prohibited things, the conditions should be the same as when bestmixer was confiscated. This means that the forum doesn't stop advertising other mixers.

So far I haven't gotten any red flags about the existence of a mixer on bitcointalk especially to anyone using it legally.

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Quote from: ShowOff on March 15, 2023, 02:21:38 PM

From the above statement, I think we all know that bitcointalk complies with applicable laws in US jurisdictions. If the US government asks bitcointalk to ban that type of advertising then I think there is a possibility for the admin to approve it.

You said it yourself, this is US jurisdiction, not China. So there will never be a request like that.

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I can quote something for you, but I don't know what to answer because all the decisions are with the admin.

About privacy

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From the above statement, I think we all know that bitcointalk complies with applicable laws in US jurisdictions. If the US government asks bitcointalk to ban that type of advertising then I think there is a possibility for the admin to approve it.

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Quote from: dzungmobile on March 15, 2023, 01:41:13 PM

I don't know but it is serious. I proposed it as a preventive solution for the forum. Theymos and Cyrus will decide. Maybe they must have an internal meeting of admins and global moderators and maybe moderators too.

If the administration cannot even create a cyber security and privacy board, then good luck convincing them to take the more laborious action of identifying and banning accounts that support mixers.

Ps. If any admin is reading this, then go approve this (linked) request. It's nearly unanimously agreed on!

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Quote from: dzungmobile on March 15, 2023, 01:24:24 PM

Many mixers were seized but it is a first time I read documents mentioned Bitcointalk directly like this by Chipmixer seize.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1574581/download

Should forum admin consider to stop all campaigns related to mixers?

I know forum is against porn campaigns so how about mixers after this fiasco?

I don't think it will be profitable at all because Mixer are not a bad thing itself but offcourse you can use it for bad purpose so. its very bad that Bitcointalk mentioned in this document but these mixers are also available in google search, advertised in twitter and other social Platform then all these platform will ban Mixers Advertising?

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Quote from: dzungmobile on March 15, 2023, 01:36:00 PM

I am talking about prevention, not want to see the forum seize.

If you read the unofficial rules of bitcointalk, you will know how shit your post is.

Unofficial means many things can be added.

theymos is flexible and he can change his policy in forum anytime like he stop ads banner auctions months ago.

Quote from: mindrust on March 15, 2023, 01:40:37 PM

To answer your question... I think it is a decision for the admins. If they think advertising mixers would be dangerous for the forum people, then they should ban it. I don't think there is such danger, yet.

I don't know but it is serious. I proposed it as a preventive solution for the forum. Theymos and Cyrus will decide. Maybe they must have an internal meeting of admins and global moderators and maybe moderators too.

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Holy shit this is pretty serious. It is mindblowing to read a gov paper mentioning btt.

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As explained further below, NGUYEN used the moniker “ChipMixer” on the
popular bitcoin message board BitcoinTalk (available at bitcointalk.org). On May 18, 2017

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On June 15, 2017, NGUYEN responded to a BitcoinTalk post criticizing
money laundering laws and know-your-customer requirements, stating,

If your money is in a bank, it’s like bitcoin on exchange - you don’t have private
keys. It can be frozen, it can be traced, it can be watched very carefully.

If you have cash, you can do whatever you want. Nobody can invalidate it.
Nobody can track it. Except police that can take it from you.

Bitcoins are better. Nobody knows you have it (unless you use KYC exchange),
you can exchange it for cash wherever you want.

He must have hit a nerve with that post. Gov people lost their shit it seems. How dare you promote bitcoin as an alternative to the USD? and you say it is even better?

I guess they log everything we say in this forum. Shiet. Cheesy

To answer your question... I think it is a decision for the admins. If they think advertising mixers would be dangerous for the forum people, then they should ban it. I don't think there is such danger, yet.

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Quote from: Charles-Tim on March 15, 2023, 01:33:48 PM

Do you know the number of scam ads that google may have? Ads can be for scammers.

Stop posting shit please. Don't teach me about theory, things on paper.

I am talking about prevention, not want to see the forum seize.

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Do you know the number of scam ads that google may have? Ads can be for scammers.

Mixers are meant for maintaining privacy, but some bad actors can take advantage of that. Mixers should have their own rules and regulations, nothing concerns Bitcointalk.

Mixers are not prohibited by law.

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Many mixers were seized but it is a first time I read documents mentioned Bitcointalk directly like this by Chipmixer seize.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1574581/download

Should forum admin consider to stop all campaigns related to mixers?

I know forum is against porn campaigns so how about mixers after this fiasco?

Quote from: OgNasty on December 11, 2022, 04:25:31 PM

when mixing sites get banned here for promoting money laundering

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