Topic: Should this forum ban the use of chatbots and AI entirely? (Read 784 times)

3. I've heard about tutoring an AI to post like you but I still do not believe it and I see those who are using AI to post to be lazy people. What is difficult in expressing yourself by yourself? Well, maybe I see it that way because I love writing. However, I've read you well that you made the AI usage known to all, so someone like you will always be forgiven and the fact that you still edit it means that it is no more 100% AI. Otherwise, your plagiarism may be too much.

4&5. This is normal, a forum like this will frown on such an act, but judging by what you used it for and a practical example of catching a violator with it means that your usage of it is positive to the forum. So I wonder what the forum stands to lose.

6. You don't need that. Anyone who calls you out will certainly be addressed because you've already openly stated your style and the reason for it.

7. You need to forgive the ineffectiveness of our search engines, it has never been reliable. But I can assure you that there are many similar topics like this on the forum.

Grammarly is slowly morphing into a full-blown AI writing assistant. If I look at their home page, I see taglines like: "Responsible AI that ensures your writing and reputation shine" and "Work with an AI writing partner that helps you find the words you need⁠—⁠to write that tricky email, to get your point across, to keep your work moving."

They're making a company-wide push to be involved in more than just the "revision" stage of writing:


Personally, I wouldn't use Grammarly; at some point, there's going to be little to no (plagiarism-wise) difference between using it or something like ChatGPT to improve your writing. (For the record, I don't have a problem with generative AI being used to improve and paraphrase writing, what I have a problem with is using it, for anything, without credit: I can't see how an attribution requirement would upset anyone but those wanting to appear to possess a skill that they're actually missing.)

Also, even before embracing generative AI (so, a little unrelated to this discussion, but, still worth pointing out, I think), Grammarly has (as far as I know) always been a closed-source online-only profit-driven black box... Definitely not the smartest thing (privacy-wise) you could choose to become reliant on and habitually pipe most/all of your writing/correspondence through.

Precisely. The forum is not designed to allow AI generated posts and chatbots become the soles basis of majority of the forum members. It’s still a lot different if we base our own explanation or discussion from our own points of view, not from AI or chatbots. While AI may provide more precise or bigger impact replies, but we all know explanations based from our own experiences are still the most reliable source of information not even AI can replaced.

Although I'm not in favor of permanently banning the usage of chatbots or AI models and I believe they should be monitored, do we need a chatbot or a language model for what you are referring to? I mean, any decent tool such as Google Translate can help you translate a text from one language to another, I know it messes up sometimes but with some corrections, what it gives us after the translation can be understood perfectly.

And about grammatical mistakes and corrections, we can use Grammarly or any other similar tool. It's not a language model so you don't even need to mention a source because you are the one writing the text and it is only going to rectify your mistakes.

You can't be surprised. Every time I come across these machine-produced essays my eyes glaze over them. TBH I only read one sentence further in your post.


We know this already, and I think that's fine, so long as the author acknowledges ChatGPT as the source of text.

Here is another reason to allow the use of chatbots on the forum:

The most heavily trafficked subs and threads on the forum are in English. The forum has various local subs, but the experience is not the same due to lower usage and smaller communities. Chatbots can translate posts to and from English and can help make posts grammatically correct.

It's clear enough that we have to get banned this AI generated posts and chatbots, in order to create a fair discussion between all members of the forum. No more exceptions, like this or like that. So if you get used to prioritize AI more than your own, personal opinions and ideas, then get rid with it now, otherwise you'll be soon get banned and vanish in the forum.

Be it plagiarism or not, using AI still falls on it and should never be tolerated in the forum. We are not computers here, but we are real humans, so we should stick to the main reason why this bitcointalk forum is made in the first place, that is to exchange humanely problems and solution ideas that are gained from personal experiences of a member itself.

This forum won't serve its own purpose if we only post following AI and chatbots. Instead of giving our own ideas and perspectives to the topics, we end up basing everything on AI and that's something losing the essence why we are here in the forum. Otherwise, if we adapt AI and chatbots here inside the forum, it's like we are not the ones that are exchanging ideas and insights, but it's already those computer generated robots that are taking our place in the forum.

I was also wondering how OP would be using AI to find scammers, I mean is there any AI that can read all the forum's data and you just have to click one button and it will find all the scammers for you. I don't think there is any such AI tool that could pull this off. Because giving a command and pushing one button is not going to give you the desired results. We are not yet advanced, although Elon is going to realise its new AI bot named as Grok which I think will be an interesting one.

Overall according to the moderator if the OP is using AI just to catch scammers and then mentioning the source then he is good to go, because to avoid plagiarism people give source of the content or product, so if OP would give the disclaimer that he has used AI to find these spammers then I will say he is living in the modern age. I just read a topic about AI and now this, and these two topics gives the vibe that forum is going to be taken over by AI which is not correct. AI need human touch they can't just do all of the stuff by themselves at least at the current era.

I would like to clarify that, as I mentioned in my initial post, I will be sure to reply to what everyone has to say next week, but I have noticed that some members have ignored my statement. But that's okay, it's good to see many responses!

1. Some of the questions you all asked have already been answered in my previous thread, so make sure to check it out if you haven't already https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64262630.
2. I get that some of you might think using a chatbot is insincere or even cheating, but let me tell you, it's just so much faster and more efficient for me to use a chatbot to help me detect scams and create scam accusation threads.
3. I always review the chatbot's output before posting, so I never just copy and paste chatbot output like an idiot.
4. It's not surprising that most of you are against chatbots and AI, but I hope you can understand that I'm using it to try  prevent scam from spreading.
5. The chatbot has already helped me create scam accusation threads and flag some scammers, which has resulted in some scammers stopping their posts and one of them even getting banned.
6. I'll make sure to add a signature to all my replies and threads to let everyone know that I'm using a chatbot.
7. I did forget to search if this topic has been discussed before, but I couldn't find a thread specifically asking whether the usage of chatbots/AI should be banned in form of a forum poll.
8. As @Vod asked, I'm talking about website and tool that can generate text (as well as images and videos) based on what I want it to generate when I say AI.
9. I'll continue to use my chatbot to detect and call out scams to prevent the spread of fake or hoax information.

I've kept my reply short, as I've been accused of creating walls of text in the past. I'm sorry if I missed answering any specific questions. I'll be sure to check back later.

Which one exactly? Can you be more specific. Depending on chatbots/ai detection tools isn't that reliable. I have used many AI detection tools in the past, none of them are that good. They were never accurate and gave false positive results. So accusing someone based on those is not something I would prefer. In many cases, I have seen one tool would detect a content as AI and another tool detect the same content as human made. What would you make of that then!. Instead, I rely on my instinct, you can tell whether its AI or not. Not always, but your guts can tell something is wrong/fishy. That's the most powerfully tool.

I agree with what you say, but if there is a rule imposed for AI-generated text posters to get banned or restricted, how do you suggest are those posts identified? I know that currently, AI-generated posts are pretty obviously identifiable because most AI text models have a pattern for their text generation which is detectable if you use a tool, but when more advanced AI models are created that can write in different patterns which aren't easily detectable or identifiable both by humans and AI text detection tools, it will be a difficult thing to do.

In that case, the rule would be difficult to enforce because if we can't know what text is generated by AI, we can't take any action against the users. One might be using an AI but writing in a human-like pattern isn't detectable.

The use of chatbots or AI to post is not allowed, but there are no official rules as to whether this is actually prohibited or permitted in some cases.

I will definitely support the rule prohibiting the use of chatbots or AI if the admin considers this rule an official rule. Posts created by AI can be considered plagiarism considering that there is no supporting source and anyone who uses AI should be treated exactly as a plagiarist. Whatever is written in the post created by AI has been posted online elsewhere, however I do not see AI providing a valid source and this could be considered plagiarism.

The databases of AI are not up to date, but if we use our effort to research we can get the answer in a timely manner and humans can give the most logical answer compared to AI which just uses what can it extract from its databases.
The direction of the discussion will be lost if we allow AI to be used here, I can't imagine answering or discussing a topic with AI, a forum will always be about human interaction so I voted no.

What happened to your input in this thread that you created as an attempt to avoid receiving tags on your account. You no longer post there: Chatbots: The Future of Scam Hunting

You are clearly playing the role of an innocent individual pretending to be ignorant yet all you did was to demonstrate your mindset. Your ditec_wrogn account has been noticed by far too many members now and for that reason will probably not be monetised via signature campaigns in future therefore why keep up the charade?

Your posting similarities to a certain account comes to mind. How many accounts do you have in the forum?

The forum does not have a rule yet that an AI post should be deleted. An AI written post might look like a good constructive post, may look better than a post written by a human effort. Would the moderator delete it when there is no rules to delete AI post?

We need to add a clause in the unofficial rules first.

AI cannot solve everything, some of the information produced by AI may be incorrect so you have to do your own research. Moreover, AI cannot solve current problems because AI only takes past data and summarizes it for you, so AI cannot be relied on to solve current problems.

Exactly. Everything will be computer generated, leaving us the real humans not useful anymore. And real life problems and concerns about crypto will not be highlighted anymore, as everything has already its solutions produced by AI.

A forum is said to be a medium or channel where personal views and ideas on certain issues are being exchanged, thus if AI or chatbots will take place everything, then there’s no essence anymore participating in a forum where fixed ideas and solutions are already provided by out from AI’s point of view.

Of what use is your brain if you can't make constructive posts on your own. People shouldn't rely on machines to do all work for them, at least not In every aspect of life. I don't support the use of AI and chatbots in this forum. It will only make you lazy and unproductive. you can't compare the feeling when someone follow your idea and solve a real life problems, it's never the same when you copy and paste from a machine. Humans makes posts interesting and brings out different ideas and points of arguments in them. If you ask 5 people same question, you will have different opinions and explanations that are still pointing to one direction but their choice of words and construction will be different. If AI and chatbots are deployed in this forum we will be getting same answers with the same flow, because machines are programmed to produce same answer if asked same question by different people. I don't know what people find interesting in AI when it comes to writing posts and articles, the more you keep depending on them, the you start depreciating in your ability to contribute meaningful and constructive posts of your own.

The problem is that 9 out of 10 forum members will not spend their time checking whether a post is AI generated or not, and in addition to making a quality report from which the moderator will be able to conclude that the post should be deleted. Reporting AI is not the same as reporting spam or referral links in terms of how much time you need to spend.

In other words, you (and many others) are sending the message that such behavior is practically acceptable and the possible punishment depends on only a few members who actively report such things.

It really feels irritating how a forum user could be boasting about being a critical thinker to solve problems or how you'd be unique to the quest where there're many others when they relies their abilities on AI or bots.
If the use of AI or chatbosts were enabled in the forum, the literally this forum wouldn't be relevant because we can also clear our doubts and findings through the AIs while in our respective being without the forum.
Hence, this forum is trying to profer advanced ideals from users by their logical contributes that's why chatbots or the AI isn't permitted here.

I think this topic has been discussed many times. Same responses, different dates and usernames. It's like, just let it be. Let them post and if you think the poster is AI generated, then report it. Let the forum moderator decide if the post should be deleted.

Always remember this from the report note:

I believe it's not fair when someone without any efforts can post and perform better than someone who puts immense effort into creating high quality posts, topics and sharing his large knowledge in this field. Imagine someone joined years ago and being a long time participant in the Bitcoin and crypto community, making much effort and contributing to discussions and building a reputation on Bitcointalk. Then, within a few months someone using ChatGPT and AI tools just surpassing you that easy, gaining more recognition and opportunities for jobs and trades, without much efforts.

Isn't it unfair for someone to earn credibility in a field they have no genuine understanding of? Recently, I started a topic in our local section about some members who don't even speak our language or belong to that local region, yet they posted topics and received many merits ( even from me), they were using translation services and probably AI tools also to create posts. Meanwhile, some serious members are doing their best to keep the board with quality posts, meaningful topics and educational content.

I am definitely against the use of AI for creating posts, and not admitting or mentioning its use.

That part caught my attention as well because he  also said that he uses it to provide arguments against scammers and wonder whether people debate with scammers now when they are supposed to cut off the conversation as soon as they notice suspicious behavior.

On several occasions, the issues concerning the usage of AI has been discussed and addressed before and there is a thread(s) where such posts are being reported. Everyone is familiar with internet and can have access to these technological tools if interested. I would advise to suggest the use of chat bots to a user who’s in need of help than to do that on their behalf and give reference link. One might be carried away sometimes and would probably forget to get a reference link.

I can not remember it for a permanent ban but as far as I can remember there were some cases where members were temp ban for small mistakes like joining a giveaway thread which was not a giveaway thread but it looked like a giveaway thread and things like that.

First of all we need a clear clause to add in the unofficial rules, then we can think about the rest.

It's been two days and three pages on his thread, and he still hasn't shown it; I got it. Maybe he is trying to get the best answers to his AI and chatbot figuring out the best defense for his question.
Should this forum entirely ban the use of chatbots and AI?

When you rely on AI and chatbots, you're not trusting your logic and opinion. If you used to rely on AI and chatbots for your answers even without copy-pasting only for output, you are giving yourself an edge over the members of this forum, which is not right.

A permanent ban is never issued hastily, even when it comes to cases where plagiarism is more than evident. The same method would also be applied when assessing whether someone used AI or not, and regardless of the fact that AI detecting tools are not 100% accurate, the use of AI can be determined with great certainty through the detection of several posts of specific user with multiple tools. There can always be mistakes, but if you look at the AI ​​Spam Report Reference Thread, you will hardly find a case where this was the case.

What, in my opinion, is the biggest problem is actually the lack of rules regarding the use of AI on the forum, and if you don't have rules, then some members obviously think that they can write their posts with the help of AI.

I'm having trouble imagining under what kind of circumstances the use of AI would be alright in the context of making posts here.  You might have some ideas, but we both know that any tool that would allow retarded shitposters to make coherent posts that they'd otherwise not be able to form with their own brains would be abused to no end.  And if exceptions are made, then members who get banned are going to appeal in Meta and it's going to be an enormous shit show.

I say make a rule forbidding any use of AI programs that aid in generation of posts--unless there are very clear exceptions that make sense.  Unless there's a rule like that, this forum is in serious trouble.  How long do y'all think it'll be until it's just AI bots appearing to make posts related to whatever topic a thread is about?  It won't be long, so 1) we need firm rules, and 2) those rules need to be enforced mercilessly. 

It wasn't so long ago that the quality of "discussion" being had on bitcointalk dropped so low that Theymos came up with the merit system.  AI tools in the hands of greedy scumbags who can't write will make that problem seem like a temporarily glitched pixel.

If you were observant, as _BlackStar rightly pointed out, you would see that we use several tools to identify posts written by AI, and only based on their overall output can a person be accused of using a chatbot. Moreover, by checking a huge number of posts, those who use these tools can even determine at a glance whether a person wrote the text himself or not.
Today, there are already tools that give accurate results, and after testing, all other tools also show AI texts. In addition, you can always check the posts of several people for comparison and make sure that all other posts will be identified as written by a person. But messages from a person accused of using AI will still be identified as being written by a bot.

If the forum is indifferent to those who use AI to write posts, then the forum will turn into a place where robots communicate with each other, losing the meaning of communication and humanity.

As children, we often played with dolls and talked to them. Is anyone ready to look like a child talking to a robot while naively thinking that it is a person?

Sometimes what you say is true - however, if an AI detection tool says it's an AI-generated post, then it's most likely true. You can use some detection tools as used by some users in this thread - so this will prevent you from making the wrong decision that someone is posting with AI.

I think @nutildah and @lovesmayfamilis and some other user are pretty good at this. Check out their work in the thread I referenced below:

1. AI Spam Report Reference Thread

Why can’t you just make all those scammy behavior arguments yourself? Why do you have to make use of AI? You are supposed to post your opinion on the forum here without making use of AI. I see people posting with AI as a lazy set of people, and they have nothing to offer the forum. Everyone can decide to post with AI, but it doesn’t make sense. If you are posting, then make sure you are the one writing the post yourself.

Since lots of people are against the use of AI, then it’s just better you stop making use of it. Posting with AI isn’t really benefiting the forum in any way. We want to see people posting their opinions and not just spamming with AI posts.

I can’t find the thread right now but I’m pretty sure the use of AI in the forum has been discussed before. I believe nutildah was the creator of that topic and it was popular opinion then that the use of AI would do more harm than good to the forum. If you want to be a scambuster, you can do so without the use of AI. There are websites like scamadviser.com that one can use to detect scam sites. I checked the scam reports your post history and none of them look like they need the help of AI to find.

I don't mind if people use it on their own if they have questions that they want to be answered, but if they start using it on this forum to reply to forum posts and make it look like it is their own content, then that is a problem, that is basically plagiarism and plagiarism it is a bannable offense.

I've seen quite a lot of tools wrongly detect a post as AI generated, when it actually isn't. I know you can say it has to pass through several tools before a conclusion can be reached, but if one tool is saying it isn't AI generated and another is saying it is, the accused user has an argument and banning them outrightly might not be possible. Using AI chatbot to post can only attract the same punishment as plagiarism, if it can be completely proven that the post is AI generated without any false positives.

What I noticed is that many of these members' posts seem completely inconsistent, as how is it possible for someone to provide accurate analyzes of cricket, boxing, and even hockey and rugby at the same time? I cannot believe that anyone in the world has analytical ability in all of these games at the same time, and when you see the content of the posts, you notice accuracy in the analysis and opinions that appear sound and logical to the extent that raises doubt. It's too good to be true.

Campaign managers are not required to criticize the posting behavior of campaign participants because they will not find any incriminating evidence. If the writing language is sound and the ideas are clear, he will not have anything to raise suspicions. Fortunately, some honest members are interested in scrutinizing the posting behavior of some accounts, especially those who participate in campaigns that pay in Bitcoin.

I keep telling newbies that there are no hard rules in this forum. Here is the most lovely and accommodating place only if you are sincere to yourself and to the community members. When we talk about plagerism, not all who plagiarise are penalized. It is treated in a case by case base. Most times, what is considered is the intention of the plagiarist. Whereby the plagiarist intention wasn't to claim ownership of an idea or to monetize their posts, such a plagiarist might be forgiven.

Likewise in AI usage;

• If you have a proven way to use your chatbot to detect scammers without littering the forum with generic texts, please prove it and you might be allowed to use same.
• If you use your chat bot occasionally and you are able to reference it by quoting. I think you won't be penalized only if it's not a continuous deliberate act.
• In all, try to communicate here as a human. Share feelings with one another. If here eventually becomes an AI forum, even you will not like it. Just imagine that I am using a bot to reply to this your thread, how will you understand or enjoy the flow.

I see a problem though. Plagiarism can be proved with concrete evidences but it is not going to be easy to bring concrete prove against AI written texts. The tools we saw that developed are not 100% reliable too. You are likely to response to a false positive and a user may receive a punishment that he does not deserve.

In that case, the administration should take a position that would be clear, and if everyone (or the majority) shares your opinion, then it should not happen that some members, even after several dozen reported posts do not receive even a temporary ban due to the use of AI. If using AI inappropriately is the same as plagiarism, I guess the punishment should be the same.

With chatGPT someone can create a small mobile application. It means based on your instructions the AI is writing codes for you. This is useful though. AI is good when it is helping you to solve an equation, a complex mathematics. But AI is not good to manager resources from the internet, arrange them in a database then give you the copy/pasted article to create a journal for you.

To an extent what you are trying to gain is commendable. Mu question is does it solve the problemm? It does not as their are multiple ways to deceive your search to find AI generated content. Staying with the topic, what makes you think that BTT will be existing when a lot of new discussion boards are gaining popularity.

As to my understanding a discussion forum like reddit is already in the process of making it more monetize globally. This is will be the end of an era where discussion was decentralized. For now we are still dependent on the admin.

I don't think it's a coincidence that you brought up AI usage twice in a row after being reported. Coincidence? Probably not. Before the report, there wasn't any mention regarding AI usage and chatbots in your post history, and now suddenly, you're trying to portray that you're using this technology to hunt down scammers (and how exactly would you be doing that?) and discussing whether the forum should allow its usage. I'm pretty confident you understand how suspicious this sounds. Your posts were suspicious enough, following a specific pattern and writing style from the beginning; I believe this is an attempt to "come clean" about your AI usage and nothing more.

Those users want to show if they have an interest to gambling, since we all know most campaigns right now are promoting gambling, when they already earn sufficient activity and merit, they will apply the campaign and raise the chance to get accepted. They don't want the managers or other users to judge if they shift or change their posting habit just to fill campaign requirements.

Will you ban every users who post using AI? I see @OP didn't get banned yet.

Chatbot or AI apparatus is highly prohibited in the forum and there's existing sanction to penalize who uses it.
Using AI in the forum in disguise of using your self knowledge is plagiarism which is unethical in the forum but I think using a both to detect or pinch fraudulent fragments by which it's believed that there're scammers in the forum might be acceptable because the forum is decentralized and it's every forum members responsibilities to watchfully and contributes to the orderliness reputation of the forum.

You said, you have been using an AI to detect scammers but what you are actually doing is ask an AI to create a response and post it here.

And to back it up, here is your statement.


AI, GPT4 or whatever tool you are using, it doesn't give the most accurate answers that is why people are not encouraging it and it violates the forum rule


If you think it is giving you an accurate answer then insert it into a quote and mention it as was generated using AI tool.

And this is the interpretation that I agree with. Because you have some people over here thinking of novel applications of the use of artificial intelligence - as in, not for posting stuff but they are using it to structure scam report formats like the OP (seriously, that is impressive. I haven't thought about that), and maybe the same can be said about the technical support board where there is a convention to describe the problem, especially for non-English speakers.

You should not be able to use AI to make low-quality posts faster just to milk campaigns.

It makes no sense to prohibit something if you will not be able to enforce the prohibition.

Today, AI is detectable mainly for copy and paste cases, but it will become less and less so, especially if it is used intelligently, not simply for copy and paste.

Personally, I'm going to continue to use AI more and more, rather than focus on how to ban it, which is the recurring debate on the forum. I don't know what it reminds me more of, Groundhog Day or Neverending Story.

How is it an "improvement" if the poster is copy/pasting incorrect information, or garbage that nobody wants to read?


And everybody knows they're bots. There's a difference between that and implicitly taking credit for something you didn't actually write.


And they are their own words -- again, there's a difference.


In this thread, there's already a moderator who considers these posts to be plagiarism, just like many of us do. Its fine if somebody wants to post AI-written text so long as they make it clear that's what their doing. Why should someone be exempt from the plagiarism rule when it comes to AI text?

We can ask  them, but would you (or anyone wearing a sig) stop posting less if it meant you were paid less?

They are posting to fulfill their earning requirements, same as you. 

About the chatbot, it is difficult to take a position on it personally, but certainly, the forum frowns on a thing like that. What use is an organic post again if people can resort to that? Everything will look nonsensical if allowed and true self-expression will vanish, so it should be tolerated.

As for AI in general, well, the use should be technical. You do not ask questions from AI and just write everything down with a copy and paste, that's bad. You can learn from it to have an idea of what you are to write and then write it down in your own way. Also, if at all you will write or quote anything online or related to AI, it is better you quote it. Otherwise, you will plagiarise so much to the point that your account would be banned.

Re topic -- no absolutely not. Don't resist change, and don't oppose improved technology from being used.

The most prolific poster is quite literally a bot that posts price charts every hour. Several of the forum's most merited users often use scripts to create, and post some of their posts.

With regard to LLMs specifically, which the OP may be referring to, they can produce a lot of high-quality content very quickly. As many may know, they do have an issue of sometimes making up information, and that is something that is being worked on. If someone is making many incoherent posts, it should be disallowed, regardless of how the content of the posts is created. Conversely, if a post contains useful information that is relevant to the topic, there isn't any reason why it should be disallowed just because it was created by a LLM.


Further, using a LLM will lower the barrier to entry for having discussions about topics that others may find interesting.

Chatbots don't do this... Relying on AI to make conclusions about whether something is a scam or not is a bad idea. Its the equivalent of posting false information about bitcoin in the technical boards... the info that the AI learns from may be incorrect, or it could misinterpret factual information on its own.

You may have good intentions, but pasting stuff straight from a bot should be discouraged. What's so hard about writing using your own words? As others have suggested, if you are terribly worried about spelling and grammar then you should use something like Grammarly. Nobody would mind that.

I do not agree with the use of AI for writing posts because it is not your own original content. You are just summarizing other people’s words and passing it off as your own. In some cases AI will just make up nonsense. Using AI generated content will just make you look like a spammer. Ai usage was not necessary to bust any of the scams you detected, using common sense would have been enough to notice any red flags.

Is there any way to get this not rid off from the system? Except for those that are configured to pass update on a regular basis such as mentioning or price update on some specific thread and sites to reflect with the forum here.

FYI - as someone who records all posts, I can tell you over half might as well be bots; they just post price updates or participation proof and there is no discussion.

So far it's very hard to let chatbot or AI do all the task here and to me I don't think this ai can give accurate results concerning an argument or between users who scammed or not. If I could understand correctly there are lot of users that has been reported for using ai or chatbots to make post over here, I could recall correctly here is place meant for real human discussion and not bots to take over here. So, to me this idea can be put outside here since it wasn't originally created for people to use chatbot or ai to post and perform most of the task.

You are talking about machine learning, which is one way to train AI.   AI has already created new medicines, new rocket and airplane designs, etc.   It cannot do these things simply by trial and error - it's not a million monkeys creating Shakespeare kind of thing.  The AI learns how the human body reacts to pieces of DNA and designs genetic tools.   No human could do this, or understand how the AI does it.   

The problem with these accounts is a real dilemma because it is more than just getting merit points in order to upgrade the membership in the shortest possible time. Those accounts that adopt this method will get opportunities they do not deserve, and they will either rush to join one of the signature campaigns to take a place that would have been deserved by someone more worthy than them, especially if the campaign pays for posts in local boards, and therefore they will not stop using AI (I noticed many accounts posting In the gambling section in a completely suspicious way, but it is not easy to prove manipulation), or they gain a reputation due to their upgraded accounts that enable them to manipulate, spread false information, or deceive other users who are unaware of anything, especially new visitors to the forum. Not to mention those who will be able to take a loan from the loan board, that will compensate them for all the effort they have made in a short time.

AI detection tools.
What's considered AI today isn't even authentic... Just some human fabricated text; Imagine asking for a description/detailing on an inventory and/ house plan for a certain pattern of an architecture and you got 'em filling you up with copied and already licensed plan... Sometimes, they change or convert the designs but in real sense, it's the same thing. Does it generate a thing on it's own? I don't think so.
The forum would be much better without these wannabe AIs... But it's impossible to remove them totally.

Users found posting content on forum using AI will be reported to moderator. Usually the moderator will delete the post and if they join as one of the signature campaign participant, they will be deleted without payment. Some DT can take definite steps to reduce the rate at which AI posts appear on forum - they can mark you as an AI poster and may even put you on their ignore list as well.

In particular case - it seems @hilariousandco's post has represented all opinion. But of course I wonder - have AI posters previously been banned after being caught posting with AI consistently?

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I asked the AI ​​specifically on ChatGPT - look what they answered when I entered these keyword:

Is there any difference between AI and bots?

Anyway, if you are using these bots and you just copying all the text it generated you are arguing as a bot with a scammer, not a real person if you are doing this on the forum and someone finds your post as AI-generated like others said you might get red tag or you might ban but if you using it as a reference and get some ideas then I think it should be fine.

However, not all information from the chatbots will give you the right information if you always use it for ideas it is not a good source you might get misinformation. So people might notice it here as an AI-generated post because of misinformation or you leading them to wrong information.

I suggest use Google instead to get ideas and the right information than using chatbots or AI.

The forum have high regard for quality contributions and for that only human efforts are graded as quality posts, and since bitcointalk is a human discussion forum,  the use of artificial intelligence to create the content in here is against the fundamental purpose of the forum.

Chatbots ant real and their can make tons of replies with little or no efforts at all and at that we should not encourage it usage on discussion here an2d that the reason used of AI if discovered can lead to ban even though there are no clear rules to that in the first place.

I have seen a post that a reputed user posted that he used AI for good English construction and nothing more than that. If it is true, using AI for such is allowed on this forum. But some people use it to get information, copied and pasted the information on this forum without any referencing which is just not good at all. It would be good if theymos ban such on this forum. The punishment should be permanent ban.

I think chatbots are the same thing as AI and it is highly discouraged to be be used in the forum. Many accounts have been banned with others tagged due to the use of AI. I think there are justifiable reasons why AI is forbidden in the forum because in reality, AI is similar to plagiarism which is a very big offense in the literary world. Posting garbage from chatbots simply make here boring and without originality and if you think it through, it will eventually destroy the forum. If you have been using chatbot to make contribution to this forum, I will suggest you desist and if it is for other purposes, I would love to know how you do that.

Currently there are no rules but AI posting shouldn't be allowed for people to just copy and paste responses with no effort. In certain circumstances it could be ok as long as it's quoted and noted that it's AI generated content in a similar way that another's work you are relaying should be quoted and sourced. If it's not then it's the same as plagiarism to me.

I think it comes down to the content itself.  If you make your own arguments and just use the chatbot to fix grammar and stuff, I think thats ok.  The AI helps you say what you wanna say better.  But if you let some random bot spit out whatever without thinking, thats not ok.  No real person talks like that and we dont need more spam generic responses without real context.

So yeah.  Chatbots and other AI tools can be useful but they shouldnt do all the work for you.  And for real you should mention in each of your posts if you used one to avoid drama about plagiarism.  Just be real about it.

I'd like to know your definition of AI, as most online services can be considered same.

AI posting is not allowed on this forum, if it's been used for posting  there's high chance of plagiarism as you will get an existing answer word for word from an AI .. and once you post a plagiarised content you're breaking one of the rules
And breaking one of the rules will lead to ban on your account...
AI can be on the forum(depending on what it's been used for ) but AI contents are prohibited

Do you mean you have been using your chatbot to detect those who are involved in scamming? If so, how is that being done?
 
AI usage is just equal to plagiarism, and if you make use of a chatbot to get any information and you want to share it with the public (I mean with forum members in this forum), you can equally do that as long as you can give credit that you got your data from the chatbot.

I guess that will be okay. At least you let the people know that this is where you get your information from other than placing it as your findings and trying to outsmart others.

If you make this forum a place for chatbots, AI posts then it does not need a human anymore. All of us can set a bot and start posting replies.

This is a forum for real people to share, discuss about ideas, problems, solutions. This is not a place for any kind of bots. If you are using chatbots/AI generated texts then you should stop using it. You may see many members are tagging you and your account will become worthless soon

Hey everyone,

So I've been using a chatbot to help me detect scammy behavior and provide arguments against scammers, and I've gotten mixed reactions to it. Some people appreciate the flags and scam accusations I've made with the help of my chatbot, while others think it's insincere or even cheating.

I've noticed that some people don't like the use of chatbots in this forum, and I'm cool with that. But I haven't seen any official petitions or discussions about it, so I thought I'd bring it up here.

What do you all think about the use of chatbots and AI in this forum? Should they be allowed, or should this forum totally ban their usage? I'm curious to hear what you all think! I'll be sure to reply to what everyone has to say next week, but for now, I hope you all have a great weekend!