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Topic: Should we put a merit/post ratio? Like torrent site - page 2. (Read 20807 times)

legendary
Activity: 1344
Merit: 1251
I would be against this suggestion in its current form.

While I agree that most of the users affected by a 1-merit-in-200-posts restriction would be spamming newbies, there are bound to be false positives in there. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the denizens of Politics & Society and Off Topic such as notbatman or BADecker hit that ratio. While these users' views are (in my opinion) insane, we shouldn't be seeking to silence people we disagree with. I could also foresee a situation where people stop being helpful and responding to newbie's/simple questions, as they are unlikely to get merit for these posts, which is not something we wish to encourage.

A suggestion I did see in another thread, which I would prefer over this one but has a similar outcome, is charging users 1 earned merit per activity period (2 weeks) to display a signature. If they run out of earned merit, they lose their signature until they earn more.

Wrong here, they do reach this ratio and quite easily ^^

Simply because even if I agree considering their views are... Batshit crazy... They still display from times to times enough quality to get a few merits.

But I quite like the other suggestion that seems to be a good fight against sig spamming.

Check the last one too...

This is exactly what a ratio would avoid. Don't put it high so it doesn't harm users that just like to talk a lot, but a very small one will avoid this.
Fuck that, peteswhoobviouslyisnttheman actually needs a tag - he shouldn't be allowed to do business on this forum for that post alone
I would really like my account deleted for personal reasons. As if I never even posted. Not a permanent ban but a deleted account.
Something is fishy here.

Just... How do you do that? Oo
How do you find a 2014 message so fast?
legendary
Activity: 2338
Merit: 10802
There are lies, damned lies and statistics. MTwain
<...> I don't know if that seems like a good idea to you but I could easily imagine a ratio for everyone and the day you drop below a certain point you can no longer post on the forum. And why not warning you a bit before so you know you MUST post only extremely high value content or you won't post anything anymore.
Back in October 2018, I calculated the merit per day, in order to get a general idea of how many people were keeping up with the 1 merit per day, which is sort of the equivalent of being able to rank-up without merit slowing one down. The number of people with or above the 1 merot per day ratio was of 109, which represented at the time 0,5% of all merited forum members (disregarding recently created accounts in order to avoid noise in the data).

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EarnedMeritPerDay             nUsers    %
[>=1]                         109       0,50%
[0.75 ... 1)                  49        0,22%
[0.5 ... 0.75)                128       0,58%
[0.25 ... 0.5)                432       1,97%
[0.1 ... 0.25)                1139      5,18%
[<0.1)                        20114     91,55%
The main core of forum members earn an average per day lower than 0.1 merits. Restricting people from posting with low averages, be it on a per post or per day basis, would have very negative effects. To start with, only 25.809 people have received any merits at all.

That would mean that, all the rest of currently active posters have earned 0 merits per day (and per post), leaving the vast majority out from being able to post. There are also plenty of people who post sporadically and/or in boards that are not showered with merits, and who may well be decent content generators when they post.
legendary
Activity: 1344
Merit: 1251
No, and theymos would never do this as he is against restricting people from posting too much. There are so many users and posts and so few merit sources that it won't be uncommon for average posters to go unmerited but that doesn't mean they should be prohibited from posting. You can certainly use their posts to merit ratio as a barometer if you want but that shouldn't restrict them from contributing. What happens if you just make posts in the marketplace trying to sell things but don't really contribute anything elsewhere? That's fine but in your system without merit they would be prohibited from selling here. If someone is truly a terrible poster or even worse being disruptive then they should be dealt in other ways but automatically restricting people isn't a good idea for reasons I've just stated.

Again I might be wrong here but I don't see how anyone with an average level of posting could get less than 1 merit for 200 posts.

If someone only post in the marketplace then if he respects the daily bumping rule he will most likely never get to the 200 posts anyway. And if he does and is a good seller or buyer he will most likely get a few merits by then. Look at the number of merits dropped in the collectibles or goods section for people selling genuine art, collectibles or legit items.

I haven't seen anyone making anything decent reaching below the 0.005 merit per post ration.
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 18748
I would be against this suggestion in its current form.

While I agree that most of the users affected by a 1-merit-in-200-posts restriction would be spamming newbies, there are bound to be false positives in there. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the denizens of Politics & Society and Off Topic such as notbatman or BADecker hit that ratio. While these users' views are (in my opinion) insane, we shouldn't be seeking to silence people we disagree with. I could also foresee a situation where people stop being helpful and responding to newbie's/simple questions, as they are unlikely to get merit for these posts, which is not something we wish to encourage.

A suggestion I did see in another thread, which I would prefer over this one but has a similar outcome, is charging users 1 earned merit per activity period (2 weeks) to display a signature. If they run out of earned merit, they lose their signature until they earn more.
legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 2965
Terminated.
Check the last one too...

This is exactly what a ratio would avoid. Don't put it high so it doesn't harm users that just like to talk a lot, but a very small one will avoid this.
Fuck that, peteswhoobviouslyisnttheman actually needs a tag - he shouldn't be allowed to do business on this forum for that post alone
I would really like my account deleted for personal reasons. As if I never even posted. Not a permanent ban but a deleted account.
Something is fishy here.
legendary
Activity: 1414
Merit: 1808
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Yes, they are unworthy posts in a views of a bounty manager or a poster like you here but, the point is that does not mean he should be banned from posting as he has earned no merits. If they are banned it would just make a decent crypto collector unable to post on best crypto forum in the world.

What Value or entertainment does he provide on this forum? how is he a "decent crypto collector" ?

just to confirm - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cumakoff-732010  this is the user I am discussing
legendary
Activity: 1344
Merit: 1251
Fuck that, peteswhoobviouslyisnttheman actually needs a tag - he shouldn't be allowed to do business on this forum for that post alone

Yeah well after the DT changes he even has a fucking 42 green trust score xD

FFS check the 1st page of that cunts posts - you are a manager and you think that level of posting is ok?
Yes, they are unworthy posts in a views of a bounty manager or a poster like you here but, the point is that does not mean he should be banned from posting as he has earned no merits. If they are banned it would just make a decent crypto collector unable to post on best crypto forum in the world.

You're wrong. The user is actually just farming and abusing lotteries on the forum. He's most certainly someone having alts and trying to post multiple times on lotteries hold by good guys.
legendary
Activity: 2954
Merit: 3060
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No, and theymos would never do this as he is against restricting people from posting too much. There are so many users and posts and so few merit sources that it won't be uncommon for average posters to go unmerited but that doesn't mean they should be prohibited from posting. You can certainly use their posts to merit ratio as a barometer if you want but that shouldn't restrict them from contributing. What happens if you just make posts in the marketplace trying to sell things but don't really contribute anything elsewhere? That's fine but in your system without merit they would be prohibited from selling here. If someone is truly a terrible poster or even worse being disruptive then they should be dealt in other ways but automatically restricting people isn't a good idea for reasons I've just stated.
sr. member
Activity: 406
Merit: 257
BINGO! BOUNTY MANAGEMENT
FFS check the 1st page of that cunts posts - you are a manager and you think that level of posting is ok?
Yes, they are unworthy posts in a views of a bounty manager or a poster like you here but, the point is that does not mean he should be banned from posting as he has earned no merits. If they are banned it would just make a decent crypto collector unable to post on best crypto forum in the world.
legendary
Activity: 1414
Merit: 1808
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Check the last one too...

This is exactly what a ratio would avoid. Don't put it high so it doesn't harm users that just like to talk a lot, but a very small one will avoid this.

Fuck that, peteswhoobviouslyisnttheman actually needs a tag - he shouldn't be allowed to do business on this forum for that post alone
legendary
Activity: 1344
Merit: 1251

FFS check the 1st page of that cunts posts - you are a manager and you think that level of posting is ok?

Check the last one too...

This is exactly what a ratio would avoid. Don't put it high so it doesn't harm users that just like to talk a lot, but a very small one will avoid this.
legendary
Activity: 1414
Merit: 1808
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FFS check the 1st page of that cunts posts - you are a manager and you think that level of posting is ok?
legendary
Activity: 1344
Merit: 1251
Can anyone point at someone making decent posts not getting that?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cumakoff-732010

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bitdexter-933326

There and many more such examples you should try checking in other sections too.

Thanks for proving my point xD

First user: Complete shitposter. His posts are ONLY participations in free lotteries in the forum or airdrops. Never written anything but his name or a btc address. How is that a useful member for the community?

Second user: made less than 30 posts in the last 2 years.
sr. member
Activity: 406
Merit: 257
BINGO! BOUNTY MANAGEMENT
Can anyone point at someone making decent posts not getting that?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cumakoff-732010

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bitdexter-933326

There and many more such examples you should try checking in other sections too.
legendary
Activity: 1344
Merit: 1251
See https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/percentage-of-merit-received-on-old-posts-deleted-posts-and-average-per-post-5051725 for examples.
I'll add OP when I'm back at my desk.

0.05 Merit per post is far too steep as a requirement.
Spammers won't even reach a fraction of that, and spammers are the only ones who should be stopped by merit requirements.

Well put it at 0.005 then. ANYONE can reach that ratio if there is just a slight beginning of correct English.

That's 1 merit every 200 posts.

Can anyone point at someone making decent posts not getting that?
hero member
Activity: 1659
Merit: 687
LoyceV on the road. Or couch.
See https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/percentage-of-merit-received-on-old-posts-deleted-posts-and-average-per-post-5051725 for examples.
I'll add OP when I'm back at my desk.

0.05 Merit per post is far too steep as a requirement.
Spammers won't even reach a fraction of that, and spammers are the only ones who should be stopped by merit requirements.
legendary
Activity: 2394
Merit: 2223
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Not agree with OP. The current merit system working fine enough. Don't make it more difficult. It's already very hard to earn 1 merit for new user especially for spambie. If you restrict them then forum will be empty. Lol.
However from beginning even me was not a good poster or even I will not angry if you call me spambie. But day by day I has been learning from forum. Still I am learner and gain enough merit. If your intention is good enough then you can earn merit from the forum. If you just bounty spammer means he never expect merit.

So better just keep the current merit system.
legendary
Activity: 2408
Merit: 4282
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I disagree (-1), this is just like saying if I post 20 times on facebook and I don't get a share (or maybe like)  I should be stop from posting. Actually most of my post don't get shared/liked on facebook because they are seen by those who aren't inform about bitcoin and blockchain in general but that's why I make those posts to inform them.    

Back to the forum. If I see a technical post especially those ones with all the codes,  I just move on because I don't understand them, Just like my facebook friends do.

That's why I agree with this user when he said,  

There are many flaws in this.

2. Most of the people are unmerited even after writing quality posts as they are just not detected by someone with smerits.

But there's a solution Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source i have been using it and so far the results are positive.
legendary
Activity: 2898
Merit: 1253
So anyway, I applied as a merit source :)
Take a look at my last 20 posts. Do I seem like the average shitposting scum? Well maybe yes because I post in sections where no merit source visits. But does that make a difference to me? No. Because I care about what I post about and not as an attempt to gain merit.

If you look at my posts in Bitcoin Discussion and Trading Discussion, I always try to usher in a good emotion among people whom I feel are becoming sore after having to hodl through times of bear runs. Thats what we should all do as a part of this community in order to garner the support for bitcoin and crypto in general.

My posts in Project Discussion and Lending go out for calling of scammers who attempt to fake themselves - I feel I am just doing my part in protecting possible victims.

What I dont like is trying to make new topics everyday farming away merits trying to catch the eyes of every merit source and then refreshing the profile page every 2 minutes to check how many new merit one could get by their last "ass-licking" attempt.

No offence to OP though. This was not meant for them anyway. But those who do this know that.

Participate in the forum. Forget about merit. Stop being obsessed with merit and its application to everything. You guys are forgetting what this forum is about.
sr. member
Activity: 1204
Merit: 290
That would totally change the purpose of the Merit system. The system is not supposed to stop people from posting, but it is to stop them from ranking up without any efforts.
If someone joins the forum to earn money through it by joining campaigns and bounties, then they need to rank up first by contributing something in the forum and earning Merits, but if someone joins it for another purpose as mentioned earlier, they don't need to earn Merits and they can continue doing what they want to if they don't really care about ranking up.
Besides, as said by LoyceV, a person's contributions towards the forum are clearly seen by the number of posts they've made and the number of Merits they've managed to get so far.
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