Shouldn't bounty managers clean up spam posts in their thread ?

Rikafip

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Quote from: friends1980 on October 12, 2020, 11:41:20 AM

Sure, I've left a post in his thread. It will not come as a surprise that it was efficiently ignored. If you need an Ignore Manager, don't look any further. Cool

Yep, not surprised when I saw the name of bounty campaign, MASS decided that it wasn't enough to have their ANN spammed, it was time to spread it on rest of the forum. Luckily it seems like it isn't working as they thought it will as I haven't seen their signature around.

Regarding this "manager", if he didn't accept the terms, they would probably find someone else. And those low level managers will accept just about any crazy idea client has in order to get the job and make a few bucks. You know how they say, beggars can't be choosers.

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Quote from: friends1980 on October 12, 2020, 08:34:08 AM

Quote from: libert19 on October 12, 2020, 12:40:06 AM

I guess they just get disheartened by looking at the number of spammy posts, they just give up.

No-one is stopping them from finding a source of income that doesn't get them disheartened and at the same time does respect the forum rules.

That's it, it's the job. Your paid to ensure all that. Supposing the forum passes a rule that penalizes bounty or signature and avatar campaign managers as well as the individual user involved in spamming, don't you thick they will treat the spam with utmost urgency rather than wait for it to be noticed and the they get quarrelled over them? Because, I believe they would.
In fact, this actually could be a suggestion for review if such a rule is put in place. As you are as well a moderator of your thread. As a bounty or signature & avatar manager, you don't have to be overwhelmed by the responses you get on your thread, I know it's not easy that's why it's always in your hands to edit the rules as you deem fit. With that power, comes with responsibilities and how you set the rules ease's your stress as regards your thread.

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Quote from: Rikafip on October 12, 2020, 10:18:05 AM

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Has anyone tried to talk to him about this?
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Sure, I've left a post in his thread. It will not come as a surprise that it was efficiently ignored. If you need an Ignore Manager, don't look any further. Cool

But just to make things clear, when I woke up this old thread, it wasn't necessarily my intention to discuss this one specific case. I only wanted to use it as an example to indicate that in two years time, basically nothing has changed concerning these managers.

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Quote from: Pmalek on October 12, 2020, 10:05:10 AM

I have checked the spreadsheet of the ChipMixer campaign in the past and seen many members do 50 posts a week, but do we have any respected members on the forum who manage even 100 posts a week? I seriously doubt that.

There are few that went over that number in the last 7 days and some of them are even in CM campaign, but I doubt that they do that consistently week after week, sometimes you just get extra inspired. Here is the list https://loyce.club/active/7d.html

Quote from: friends1980 on October 11, 2020, 06:15:52 AM

*necrobump*

This is exactly what I'm talking about, completely unacceptable incentive for people that post OVER 150 POSTS A WEEK!! This bounty manager must be flipping. No idea how he gets away with this for 2 weeks now...

Has anyone tried to talk to him about this? Then again, I am not surprised that MASS is doing that, since they have paid shillers in their ANN for quite some time so I doubt they care much about their reputation here or this forum in general.

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Quote from: friends1980 on October 11, 2020, 06:15:52 AM

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It's simple. He doesn't care about the post quality, the forum, or the spam his campaign generates. He is interested in having the members parade his signature as much as possible. Quantity over quality.

I have checked the spreadsheet of the ChipMixer campaign in the past and seen many members do 50 posts a week, but do we have any respected members on the forum who manage even 100 posts a week? I seriously doubt that.

libert19

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Quote from: friends1980 on October 12, 2020, 08:34:08 AM

Quote from: libert19 on October 12, 2020, 12:40:06 AM

I guess they just get disheartened by looking at the number of spammy posts, they just give up.

No-one is stopping them from finding a source of income that doesn't get them disheartened and at the same time does respect the forum rules.

Hah, you are right. Only if project owners would tell BMs beforehand to clean up the spam.

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Quote from: libert19 on October 12, 2020, 12:40:06 AM

I guess they just get disheartened by looking at the number of spammy posts, they just give up.

No-one is stopping them from finding a source of income that doesn't get them disheartened and at the same time does respect the forum rules.

libert19

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I guess they just get disheartened by looking at the number of spammy posts, they just give up.

Smartvirus

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Quote from: Theb on September 26, 2018, 02:20:53 PM

This isn't avoidable as they are using the thread as a way to report their requirements and it won't change until they find a solution externally. Also cleaning up hundreds of post will be an impossible task for the bounty manager as he is only one person. The solution I am currently seeing is for the future post reports done by the members which are to be sent elsewhere and they can do this maybe by sending their reports outside of Bitcointalk maybe with the help of Google Docs/GForms, with this way we won't be flooded by these kinds of posts in the future, and that we can maybe clean the past reports without any worry that it will pile up with new ones.

Good point. I some times see newbie accounts acting in the capacity of bounty managers. Probably it could be some users Alt which is not allowed and with that knowledge or fact that we assume all newbie accounts to be a potential new user of the forum, it's only natural we assume such account to be inexperienced and as such, can't function in such capacity.
Again, spamming on a bounty thread should come with a strict no pay rule to bring to the consciousness of the user the dangers of it and the stress it puts the managers and moderators in with regards to cleaning and having to go through messages on their thread.
On the issue of spammers dropping spam posts on already finished campaigns, the threads could be easily locked to prevent further activities on it coupled with the fact that, most bounty campagnes come with a telegram chat group to handle complains and provide information/possible solution. That should be exploit for such posts as No.1 in OP.

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nutildah-III / NFT2021-04-01

*necrobump*

This is exactly what I'm talking about, completely unacceptable incentive for people that post OVER 150 POSTS A WEEK!! This bounty manager must be flipping. No idea how he gets away with this for 2 weeks now...

Quote from: PochJvb on September 28, 2020, 11:15:56 AM

3. Signature campaign

The more posts you make on Bitcointalk the more MASS you will be rewarded with. If you make around 50 posts, you will get an additional basic weekly rate bonus. If you make more than 151 posts, you will get 2 times more MASS! (refer to INCENTIVE at below for details) The weekly accounting will start on Monday and end on Sunday.
(...)
INCENTIVE
- 10~50 (x1): 10 to 50 posts will get a weekly multiplier of x1
- 51~100 (x2): 51 to 100 posts will get a weekly multiplier of x2
- 101~150 (x3): 101 to 150 posts will get a weekly multiplier of x3
- 151+ (x4): More than 151 posts will get a weekly multiplier of x4

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nutildah-III / NFT2021-04-01

Quote from: rosezionjohn on October 13, 2018, 01:22:33 PM

Are thread starters (bounty managers) allowed to delete comments done by bounty participants? Or the only option is to report to moderators?

4. Close the thread as soon as all bounties have been distributed.
I think it's better if the bounty thread be closed immediately after the campaign ended and just provide a complaint form at the top of the thread. I know one manager using google form for submitting complaints and it's working.

Yeah. Of course, it's not up to me or us to decide how to run a bounty campaign properly, but they should at least keep their own threads clean. By reporting, self-moderating, closing threads, just any way that works. I am sick of cleaning up other people's mess by hitting this "Report" link one by one. We've all got more useful things to do and if nothing happens, well-meaning members might get demotivated and eventually leave the forums sooner or later. That would be a shame.

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Quote from: rosezionjohn on October 13, 2018, 01:22:33 PM

Are thread starters (bounty managers) allowed to delete comments done by bounty participants? Or the only option is to report to moderators?

When you start a topic, you have the option to make it a self moderated thread. The OP can then delete posts for any reason that they feel like.

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Are thread starters (bounty managers) allowed to delete comments done by bounty participants? Or the only option is to report to moderators?

4. Close the thread as soon as all bounties have been distributed.
I think it's better if the bounty thread be closed immediately after the campaign ended and just provide a complaint form at the top of the thread. I know one manager using google form for submitting complaints and it's working.

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Quote from: Ardavan2150 on October 05, 2018, 07:06:50 AM

It is interesting to know who actually posts these nonsense posts. If the bounty managers simply want to promote their post by allowing shitposting, you cannot do anything about it. I mean even if you remove the post, the topic moves to the top of the thread anyway right?

If you are referring to bumping your thread with never ending spam, this is forbidden and a lot of threads are deleted because of this rule.

Quote from: green547 on October 05, 2018, 09:19:19 AM

Altcoin threads that are self-moderated are a recipe for disaster. Any criticism that someone points out flaws or accusations of being a scam will be immediately deleted. I actually think certain boards shouldn't have a self moderated option because it limits free speech.

It seem that non moderated ANNs is better choice since then the option of scam acquisitions cant be deleted and then mods can see if the thread is bumped with non allowed techniques

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Quote from: Nicole0102 on October 05, 2018, 10:28:43 AM

Quote from: friends1980 on September 26, 2018, 01:52:38 PM

Quote from: cryptohunter on August 13, 2017, 08:43:53 PM

bitbay
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imho

Why?

Quote from: friends1980 on September 10, 2017, 02:16:28 PM

Yes.

The list goes on. Roll Eyes

Hmmm yes. That's spectacular investigative journalism, man. Did it occur to you (even for a second) that replying to these nonsense posts with complete sarcasm was exactly the purpose? Roll Eyes

Surely you did notice that, back then, I couldn't even participate in signature bounties, because I was still a Newbie. Cool

Eventually I quit the sarcasm and started reporting these posts. Mostly not because it was spam, but because people like you didn't understand my replies were meant to be sarcastic.

Oh but please go on with your list. Surprise us.

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There are many people who are posting their reports for months even after the campaign ended. Even There are several senior members on the forum who are continuing their posts in such cases. It hurts more than the freshers in the forum.
Some bounty managers are adding the word "Campaign ended or Ended" in the thread address. There are several others who write it on the first page only. I also suggest them to add the word ended in the thread address itself.
IMO that quoting of reports should be banned only editing or fresh reporting should be allowed. It will save the space. And if a rule is made that quoted reports will not be paid; I think it will be effective.
All of us should bear the responsibility to cleanse the forum.

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Quote from: friends1980 on September 26, 2018, 01:52:38 PM

So I've been spending the past few days cleaning up some bounty threads by reporting several messages as spam.

Meh. Bounties (Altcoin) section is created for that very purpose. To confine all the bounty campaign related posts such as signature campaign signups, weekly social media campaign reports etc.
As stated by mrep here

I do not know much about those bounty campaigns but what I do know is that as long as it is posted on a proper section/thread of this forum, it's okey.

If you are concerned about too many spam posts made on this forum, maybe you should try and report your own posts. Grin

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once it goes live soon, it'll go up. right now, it's all based on speculation.

Question is, when is "soon" ?

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Quote from: cryptohunter on August 13, 2017, 08:43:53 PM

bitbay
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imho

Why?

Quote from: friends1980 on September 10, 2017, 02:16:28 PM

Yes.

The list goes on. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: friends1980 on September 26, 2018, 01:52:38 PM

My gentle suggestions:
4. Close the thread as soon as all bounties have been distributed.

I dont agree with this, what if the delay between the completion of the project and the distribution of bounties for 6 months (even longer than the time of the bounty took place). Most of the bounty report spammers are they don't read the deadline for the completion of the program. If i were a bounty manager, I would lock immediately after the bounty was closed by leaving the last message as an announcement (with a larger writing format that can make them realize that they don't have to waste any more time making their next report).

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Quote from: zStrog on October 04, 2018, 01:26:49 PM

Quote from: friends1980 on September 26, 2018, 01:52:38 PM

My gentle suggestions:
1. Keep your threads self-moderated.

I am absolutely disagree. If threads will be self-moderated, it will be very difficult to discuss the project and expose scam. I've seen how deleted posts that had criticized the project. People might find out negative information too late.

The best decision is using google forms, but they must be open to keep track reports.

Altcoin threads that are self-moderated are a recipe for disaster. Any criticism that someone points out flaws or accusations of being a scam will be immediately deleted. I actually think certain boards shouldn't have a self moderated option because it limits free speech.

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Quote from: friends1980 on September 26, 2018, 01:52:38 PM

...either you don't care enough about this forum and the campaign to just read the OP from time time. Or you're a robot.

My gentle suggestions:
1. Keep your threads self-moderated.
2. Clean up nonsense posts.
3. Clean up bounty updates once the campaign is over.
4. Close the thread as soon as all bounties have been distributed.

It is interesting to know who actually posts these nonsense posts. If the bounty managers simply want to promote their post by allowing shitposting, you cannot do anything about it. I mean even if you remove the post, the topic moves to the top of the thread anyway right?
Also, I think deleting these posts won't help, you have to block the user, at least for a period of time.
Closing the thread after they are done with their bounty is something that I can get on board with.

Also, on a completely unrelated topic,
If someone knows how a bot can take care of bounty reporting please send me a dm. Grin

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