Topic: Shouldn't non productive topics be moved from Bitcoin Discussion to Off-Topic? (Read 3036 times)

No not everything is in my thread. emezh10 is not in my thread, yet.
But I can see his other accounts. let me know if you want to know about them.

feel free to bring something to my thread. No spamming  

I acknowledged it below and have mentioned that thread to Cyrus two or three times when I've messaged him about other spammers but he's probably ridiculously busy and it's going to take hours to look into and investigate fully but I'm sure he'll get around to it.

Well, it is a very extensive list. Even if some of the senior staff members only decide to ban individuals, they'd still have go through the post history of each of those. Now, when you factor in investigating for potential alt accounts on each, it ends up taking even longer.

That's a possibility that I will not deny.

I did report it as soon as I've read your post. No, I'm actually how I missed them in the Speculation section.

What further information? Isn't everything in your thread?

I'm not sure about that; you'd have to suggest it to theymos.

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We are side-tracking from OP here, although what we are talking about has relevance. Maybe we should cross back into your thread?

Every farmed account I have listed is spamming or acting to gain community confidence to scam or sell.
I have shown time and again how they spam, not noticed anything happen, no one has communicated with me.
That is the first I have heard that my list is of any interest to any admin/global mod, after 5 weeks.
I've had no help. No communication. No encouragement. Nothing.
These farmed accounts are totally different to someone owning 2 or 3 accounts.
Probably 1 or 2 (certainly very few) people/groups own many hundreds of farmed accounts.

Ok, I understand you do not have the authority to act here. I've not seen any interest from anyone who could do something.

You are welcome to the report above. It is obvious. Had you seen it already?
You did not ask for further information about the other obvious accounts that I mentioned emezh10 is spamming from, just as obviously, but untroubled by mods?

Any chance of banned accounts being marked so all can see? 

I'd hate to see 100 messages of the same type cluttering up my box.

Not that many users are rational people, and a fair number are involved in the spam so I doubt that this would work. Those that are aware of it and want to fight it in a way, already do (e.g. I don't open non self-moderated threads anymore).

Nobody is allowing farmed accounts that are used for spam. Your list is being looked into among.

As I've already told you this before, the moderation *hierarchy* doesn't give us a lot of options (unless one is global moderator, or admin).

Thanks for the report. This one is obvious and will be dealt with swiftly.

Thing is, there is little point closing/moving threads, but allowing farmed accounts. They gotta post somewhere.
Locking threads in the beginner and help is ok, but these accounts are still lurking.

Take https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/emezh10-836341 emezh10.
If you look in beginner and help now, emezh10 is the most recent poster in 5 6 threads in a row. You can see that took him 6 minutes.

Look at his post history, bingo. Spam. Farmed account.
Those 5 posts in beginner and help were only part of 10 posts today. all in beginner and help. All 10 posts took 8 minute.
To call them 1 line spam is being generous. They are only half a line.

It is so clear to see. So easy to find.
Of course, emezh10 has other accounts doing exactly the same thing, I can see them!

I'd quite like the feeling of logging on after a few days and seeing I've got 100 new messages.


There is only a certain amount that moderators can track (and browsing 60/67 pages of useless information is not recommended for them). So it would be great if other users could take a proactive part and think "that threads too full, lets just tell them and see if they do anything" before they clog the moderator's inboxs (moderators won't delete or lock it anyway as it is not techincally against any rules of the forum).

I have so far recieved a few recommendations while I've been here (including this one) and have tried to solve these issues so that everyone can enjoy this forum and find the information they need. I have moved that thread to off topic and if it continues to be spammed I will lock it and move it to archive.

Correct. The best that an user can do is to send out PMs to the topic creators and ask them nicely to lock them to prevent more spam. Unfortunately, from my own experience this isn't always successful.

No, because what we're mentioning here is not being done or is rarely done.

Well ya but how many times has that been said already? And what has been done about it? So obviously if we keep doing what we've always done we'll always get the same results. Isn't that the definition of insanity?!

Bad idea. It would be easier for moderators to lock threads, rather than force people to lock them.
In any case, I don't think PMs would bother anybody. Especially if you don't expect serious messages here.

OK umm... public hangings? As one of the 'little people' on this forum I feel like we have absolutely no say/control when it's pretty clear most people that are here for legitimate reasons feel that these threads should be abolished. Why are there so few mods that can do anything??

Fighting spam by producing PM spam is actually a very horrible way of trying to accomplish this. Some of those users also may not want to lock their threads for the obvious reasons (they are either spamming themselves or facilitating spam).

Maybe we should have some spam fighters? Like, fight fire with fire? So whoever created the topic we just have 100 people send them 5-10PMs a day saying "lock your useless thread *link* or the spam to your inbox will continue.

No, they are not discussing Bitcoin dircetly. They are discussing useless general stuff that isn't Bitcoin specific (and/or personal experiences), which could also be answered properly within the first page. Such posts are extremely useless in most cases and just end up wasting your time reading through them. They should be moved into Off-Topic at least, or optimally locked and forbidden.

I don't think so. Those topics are discussing Bitcoin, so they have their place here. It has now the same function as the new "Gambling discussion" section.

The biggest improvement that i can imagine would be an effective way to remove a thread from my "new replies" area.  I have done everything to some and they just keep coming.  I removed them from my watch list, made sure that the "unwatch" option is picked and they keep coming back..... Like that "what would you do with 10BTC" one just mentioned and I love the one about "what would you do if BTC hit $200"..... 

really? it has been over $200 for more than a year, why does the thread still get replies and why is it not locked and better yet, why do I keep seeing it!!! Lol, but I digress, it is the forum software and I have suffered from the issue in other forums, including some I have hosted and some I have modded for

Well, not exactly 'nuked', but usually they get marked as insubstantial and trashed/deleted on sight.

Yes, these threads can usually be filled with generic answers and as such become worthless after a fair amount of replies. Afterwards they just get filled with rehashed replies.

As far as that particular section is concerned, yes.

I've noticed that if a new topic like this comes up from a newbie it gets neuked almost instantly but the good old crappy 'what would you do if I gave you 10btc' and useless shit is still plastered all over. Let's see what we have on the front page today shall we...

"Who uses bitcoin?" everyone on this forum.. NEXT
"What are you doing with bitcoin" Exactly what I'm doing with fiat... NEXT!
"How bitcoin is popular in your country" I don't know that it is but i'd love to see the explanation.. oh... just shitty English. NEXT!
"Why do you have bitcoin?" - same as what I'm doing with bitcoin. Same as fiat. NEXT
"2017 year of the bitcoin" predictions should be in speculation shouldn't they? NEXT!
"Will you accept Bitcoin as your salary?" Sure. NEXT!
"Any safe way to grow my bitcoins?" ya. Earn more and HODL. NEXT!
"Easiest way to earn bitcoin" shitpost on that thread for BTC NEXT!
"Pros and cons of using new bitcoin addresses for each transaction" the most legitimate thread I've seen yet. It'll be full of shitposts soon enough though.

Well that's as far as I'm going to go. Enough time has been wasted on reporting these threads. Is it only Theymos, Cyrus or Hilariousandco that can do anything about it?

Soon to come are the much anticipated:

"What would you do with FOUR Bitcoins???"
"Have you talked about bitcoins with your pet?"
"Why doesn't your Grandma own Bitcoins?"
"Satoshi is my uncle's friends' dog's brother's cousin"
"Are you selling bitcoins? Why?"
"Is Bitcoin are be good or is it am are it there am is bad?" (voted most likely to be spammed by illiterate sig spammers)

Just lock your own thread.

Yes, we cracked down on that section and hopefully we will be able to keep it that way.

Well, if you got *some* useful information out of it, you can always just move and/or lock it.

Thank you for being willing to participate in this (I can't say the same for some members).

I noticed my thread on your list and in fairness it could probably do with locking and deleting?
It was supposed to be a way to find useful information, but instead became a scam megathread that was out of control (and I didn't know what to do with it).
Most of the topics theere are probable meant for the same way, maybe threads should be automatically be locked after 10/20 pages have been gone through.

Also, Lauda or anyone on this forum, if you find another thread of mine that appears to be useless in its position or is filled with spam, I'm happy to take a PM and move it to a more appropriate location (or to lock and move it to archive).