Shouldn't Theymos act on Bounty Managers Now - page 2.

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Quote from: r1s2g3 on May 19, 2019, 10:07:02 PM

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on May 19, 2019, 05:21:37 AM

Essentially, changing the rules to require 1 earned merit to display a signature, and therefore knocking thousands of users out of their signature campaign, reduced the number of posts on the forum by two thirds.

What happen if same requirements on minimum earned merits to display signatures, without demotions? I meant for each rank, users in that reach have to earned a minimum number of merits to be able to display their signatures. Demotions might cause mad situation, so such requirements to have rights of displaying signatures might be a good alternative for demotion. For example:
- Junior Member: remains 1 as of demotion in September last year.
- Member: 15 earned merits
- Full Member: 25 earned merits
- Senior Members: 50 earned merits.
- Hero Member: 100 earned merits
- Legendary: 200 earned merits.

You mean no signature or a demoted signature(until you earn the required Merit) If there is no signature then legendary will envy of senoir who is able to get display signature by just earning 50 merit while legendary left without signature even after earning 100 merits

IMHO, not a good suggestion, you can't overrule the old rules with the new one.
Members who have a higher rank in the forum now earn it because of their loyalty, and we have to thank especially the Legendary that they stayed in this forum.

I am also afraid that there will be merit selling and merit farming with that rules being followed.
In addition, merit should not be the major basis as on our standing in the forum as I have seen a lot of good posters that posts were not merited.
Trust either cannot also be a major basis, as one can abuse the trust, but loyalty cannot be bought.

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Quote from: btcsmlcmnr on May 19, 2019, 08:15:51 AM

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on May 19, 2019, 05:21:37 AM

Essentially, changing the rules to require 1 earned merit to display a signature, and therefore knocking thousands of users out of their signature campaign, reduced the number of posts on the forum by two thirds.

What happen if same requirements on minimum earned merits to display signatures, without demotions? I meant for each rank, users in that reach have to earned a minimum number of merits to be able to display their signatures. Demotions might cause mad situation, so such requirements to have rights of displaying signatures might be a good alternative for demotion. For example:
- Junior Member: remains 1 as of demotion in September last year.
- Member: 15 earned merits
- Full Member: 25 earned merits
- Senior Members: 50 earned merits.
- Hero Member: 100 earned merits
- Legendary: 200 earned merits.

You mean no signature or a demoted signature(until you earn the required Merit) If there is no signature then legendary will envy of senoir who is able to get display signature by just earning 50 merit while legendary left without signature even after earning 100 merits

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The altcoin bounty threads are now messy.

User authentication posts, social reports every week — these threads are bound to be messy. What kind of knowledge one would seek in a bounty thread, anyway?

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on May 17, 2019, 02:53:02 PM

I was Proposed guidelines for bounty managers, but unfortunately I haven't got any answer from admin. Likely admin don't want to moderate bounty section. I believe there should be something that would drive bounty managers on right way. BM are living now on freedom forum and they are doing whatever they want. I don't think admin will do something for bounty mangers and perhaps he left it for trust system Wink

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I agree with the guidelines proposal you created but I think there should also be an inclusion of penalty for project that don't pay bounty hunters for the tasks and time they spent.

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Quote from: finaleshot2016 on May 17, 2019, 03:22:09 PM

Agree, I'm just referring that it was discussed long ago but don't have any output that has been done by our admins. I also liked to see how will admins set regulations to bounty managers because some of them are receiving huge payments just to fool the participants. I've been scammed a lot of times in a project and BMs are included in that action. Undecided

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If you got scammed make a thread in the Scam Accusation section with appropriate proof and DT members will tag the bounty manager. Also make sure that you check the trust rating of the bounty manager prior to applying for his bounty. I would be careful of bounty managers who are new to the forums and have just created their accounts, with a bought copper membership, running a bounty campaign.

Unfortunately it's a bit too much to expect theymos to know everything about the ICOs or bounties that get posted here. And users only get tagged and not banned for scams so everyone has to decide for himself what to take part in.

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Quote from: btcsmlcmnr on May 19, 2019, 08:15:51 AM

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In my opinion it's a good idea, and one I have suggested before. I don't think the requirements even need to be as high as you have made them - most spammers are unable to earn a single merit, let alone 200. However, users can and do buy or trade merits, and use one grandfathered account to rank up many alts. With that in mind, I would simply change it to require 10 earned merit, regardless of rank, before being allowed a signature.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on May 19, 2019, 05:21:37 AM

Essentially, changing the rules to require 1 earned merit to display a signature, and therefore knocking thousands of users out of their signature campaign, reduced the number of posts on the forum by two thirds.

What happen if same requirements on minimum earned merits to display signatures, without demotions? I meant for each rank, users in that reach have to earned a minimum number of merits to be able to display their signatures. Demotions might cause mad situation, so such requirements to have rights of displaying signatures might be a good alternative for demotion. For example:
- Junior Member: remains 1 as of demotion in September last year.
- Member: 15 earned merits
- Full Member: 25 earned merits
- Senior Members: 50 earned merits.
- Hero Member: 100 earned merits
- Legendary: 200 earned merits.

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Quote from: Sharon121212 on May 19, 2019, 02:56:43 AM

Rules or no rules, signature or no signature, spam and unhealthy poster would still make there ill sort of post. Even some that can not get one merit to rank up to the level of wearing a signature still constantly make redundant post.

This is true, but the problem is better than it was. This thread from LoyceV tracks the changes: The new rule (1 Merit for Jr. Member) is already reducing spam.

Essentially, changing the rules to require 1 earned merit to display a signature, and therefore knocking thousands of users out of their signature campaign, reduced the number of posts on the forum by two thirds. Even accepting there would have been some compounding factors such as the bear market, this is still a huge number and goes to show how many people are only posting because of their signature.

More users regularly reporting is only a good thing, but it will never overcome the mountain of spamming unless something is done about the root cause, which is bounty campaigns.

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Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on May 19, 2019, 01:42:34 AM

Maybe it's time the community to start controling those managers. I created this thread long ago but wasn't that success. List of Campaign Managers accepting shitposters. Report here >

Thanks for this link. I re read my old comments. Still I guess we are not sure how we deal with somebody who will be running the bounty from outside of this forum.
Best way is to focus on the user that are spamming and encourage BM to contribute in SMAS list.

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Rules or no rules, signature or no signature, spam and unhealthy poster would still make there ill sort of post. Even some that can not get one merit to rank up to the level of wearing a signature still constantly make redundant post. So the aim should be tackling the Shit posters and Shit post. How can that be done? Well for now one good way, and majority knows(but don't execute it) by now is to use the report to the mods button at the bottom of a post or reply, yes if we can effectively do this with out been bias or trolling this can really help to tackle spam post until more measures are put it place

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Maybe it's time the community to start controling those managers. I created this thread long ago but wasn't that success. List of Campaign Managers accepting shitposters. Report here >

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We already have a set of rules for bounty managers to follow, and a set of clearly defined escalating punishments which they will be subjected to if they do not follow them. See the following sticky from the Services section: Signature Campaign Guidelines (read this before starting or joining a campaign). The problem is that these rules are not enforced. If we were following these rules, then about 90% of altcoin bounties would have been banned already.

There is an endless stream of users who are willing to spam, shitpost, and plagiarize for next to nothing in payment, and we will be fighting them forever unless we crack down on the root of the problem - the campaigns that "employ" them at zero cost to themselves, paying them in a token they've just created out of thin air.

Quote from: finaleshot2016 on May 17, 2019, 02:40:34 PM

Also, we can't control the rules of the bounty since they own the project, they will decide what should be done, and that's the risk part of joining a campaign.

The bounty rules are irrelevant. The forum rules state no off topic posts, no low or zero value posts, and no plagiarizing. It doesn't matter if a bounty campaign states that users should copy and paste a specific message across multiple threads and boards. If they are breaking forum rules, they should be banned.

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Any hiring of services that use the forum, such as bounties, and do not pay using Bitcoin, should pay a small fee in Bitcoins. This fee would considerably reduce the number of spam, ghost accounts and bots. It would also help to separate the serious services from the junk that are created daily.

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Quote from: samcrypto on May 17, 2019, 06:49:59 PM

My only suggestion is that, stop the signature program of the bounties if its not paying through BTC let them ask for the bounty hunter to just advertise outside this forum or on social medias ...

This was what the Campaign Manager, Yahoo, did with the MB8coin project he managed which I also participated in advertising on my Facebook profile. We had to share, retwit and post on social media outside this forum as he refused to include signature bounty. I can say that took the spam outside here.

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I guess bounty managers are only bound by moral and legal ethics. Nothing in forum rules specify anything for them.
Theymos never created any guidelines for them, so what you want from Theymos to check?

If in next wave , temp / perm /sig bans are started getting awarded to spammers, then these problem would be solved.

If you are relying on bounty manager then how you will tackle user who are not in any bounty and still spamming.

Theymos allows the users to earn from bounties but there is no endrosement for them. Actually making a list of bounty managers by Theymos will be implied as endrosement by Theymos.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on May 17, 2019, 02:59:40 PM

I'm really happy about all these bans that just happened, but I really don't think Theymos is going to put any restrictions on bounty managers, regardless of what the community thinks. Believe me, I'd love to see some guidelines laid down for bounty managers and how they should have to conduct the application process and post monitoring and everything else, but I'm not going to bet that's going to happen.

Things changed fastly in the forum, and in crypto, so we only have unofficial rules of the forum, instead of official rules. In addition, theymos stated long time ago, maybe in 2019 or late of 2018, that he actually felt campaigns paid in altcoins, tokens are distasteful, and might serious consider restrict all campaigns that not pay in bitcoin. The main reason (likely come from @LoyceV) is that by restricting all campaigns, bounties pay via altcoins and tokens, scammers have to pay some cost (via Bitcoin, the only acceptable payments for bounties) to scam others. It means they have to pay a cost first, and it might potentialy reduce numbers of scam projects that run bounties there to scam crypto enthusiasts.
Such restriction will automatically and dramatically reduce bounty topics and spam in bounty child boards for sure, like what we have witnessed with merit system, months after start of the system, demotions on Junior Members activated, after that spamming reduced considerably.

For a official or unofficial guideline for bounty managers, I don't think that sort of guideline will be launched by admins. Main reasons are most of important things are presented here: Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ, and related reference sources.

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You can suggest here: Signature advertisers: suggestions? He created that thread for this type of topic and it's currently in need of a bump Wink

Read the previous discussion before suggesting, it might be already mentioned by someone.

Take note that he also mentioned somewhere that there are tons of work that have to be done.

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It's a big job for Theymos doing it, he just owned the forum and just like Mark Zuckerberg owning facebook that cannot prevent everything that is posted and shared even if it's illegal. The consequences happens after the very action, and we have the rules to follow, that doesn't change at all.

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Quote from: Mpamaegbu on May 17, 2019, 12:54:13 PM

Now that stringent measures are being put in place to eradicate plagiarism and spamming through ban and all that, will it not also be time for Theymos or the admins to put in place measures to checkmate Bounty Managers on the way they run their bounties? I mean shouldn't these mangers become strict (or be forced to) on crosschecking the post habits of their participants? The altcoin bounty threads are now messy. What can be done to make it better? Your suggestions can help Theymos make a valuable change.

This is a complex issue to address. To what extent a bounty manager should be liable for his/her participants behaviour?
But one thing for sure is these managers are taking up too much job for them to handle. And they are compromising the quality to make it look like they are doing the job properly. And in some instances, they even work with the plagiarizing and spamming to scam the bounty issuer.

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Quote from: Mpamaegbu on May 17, 2019, 12:54:13 PM

Now that stringent measures are being put in place to eradicate plagiarism and spamming through ban and all that, will it not also be time for Theymos or the admins to put in place measures to checkmate Bounty Managers on the way they run their bounties? I mean shouldn't these mangers become strict (or be forced to) on crosschecking the post habits of their participants? The altcoin bounty threads are now messy. What can be done to make it better? Your suggestions can help Theymos make a valuable change.

Bounties section are the busiest section in the forum with a lot of spam, and scams project. Managers should be more liable with their participants and choose only the good one but in bounties section, its easy to join and spam the forum.

My only suggestion is that, stop the signature program of the bounties if its not paying through BTC let them ask for the bounty hunter to just advertise outside this forum or on social medias because I think BTC signature campaign managers are more strict, respected managers and compose of a well participants, because of the huge competition joining the campaign.

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