Topic: [SHUTTING DOWN] [DiceBitco.in | BE THE BANK ! | 1% House Edge] - page 47. (Read 102259 times)

Now im not sure if this really means anything, but if you view the exif data on that picture this is the date it was taken "2014:06:04 11:26:39" So that picture was taken about 3 months ago. But somehow you just recently found the code?

I'm sorry but this is just wrong. What difference does it make if someone's balance is positive or negative? A player placed a bet and should have won a certain amount of coins, but instead the site made him/her lose. You should rerun the bets as they should have happened and refund the difference in the resulting balance, not just negative accounts and not just the initial deposit. Also I think you should probably shut the site down or at least halt gambling, give yourself some time to do a full data audit, code review, whatever you need to do to. I'm not sure I understand why you are asking players to file support tickets for refunds - you should be able to determine who's affected and refund proactively.

Or the mystery employee saw you talking about it and turned your doomswitch off...

I asked the dice.ninja admin when the chat about not having any other developers happened:

16:32 dmf 1 1409885702
16:32 dooglus 176 thanks
16:32 dooglus 176 that's Thu Sep 4 19:55:02 2014 Pacific

So getting on for 70 hours ago.

If I understand well, all people in this forum, even dooglus and stunna are anonymous, in the sense that other users do not know their real names.
If this is true, then I sort of understand DiceBitcoin's decision to not reveal the name of their employee (assuming there is one).
If he did, then the anonymity of the owners of DiceBitcoin would be jeopardised.
So, I do not find anything suspicious in their decision to not tell the employee.

He should just re-fund the bets that were due to win but didn't because of his corrupt employee. That's the logical thing to do yet he is not doing it for some odd reason.

Just to point out. The rolls started being fair soon after I posted about them on PRC and DB. And I figured the site devs had read the chart and fixed the bug. If this was the case, then clearly manl knew the reason behind that happening and was able to fix it immediately.

Also in the chat they say, they will hire someone new. Had they posted anything before today about hiring? and I thought gerry did most of the coding.

Yeah that doesn't like a fair way of handling this. All users who were affected should be appropriately reimbursed.

If you were previously at 50BTC profit before the affected rolls, you should at the very least be reimbursed back to your 50BTC starting point I would think.

If I remember correct, those messages were sent about 40 hours ago. I captured it a few hours ago.

Every morning I copy/paste stats from a few dice sites for my records.

Here are my last two entries for dice.ninja:


So the screenshot was taken after 7:42 am today - after Finn made his video - because it shows more than 970k BTC bets.

Edit: but the chat itself is a couple of days old. There's not much chat activity at dice.ninja, so old chat hangs around for days.

This is all simple expected value/game theory. I'll quickly argue why you wouldn't scam the 7k coins with a single point

Assuming you outright/prematurely scammed 7k coins

* The bitcoin community would hunt/dox you and put your life and livelihood in danger.



Here are the alternatives:

1. You skim off money from bankroll over time and make over 7k coins while remaining undetected and your trust continues to increase. (Ideal!)

2. You skim off money from bankroll over time and then run off with the funds.


#1 is obviously the ideal result while #2 results in the most profit but significant risk.


There's no such thing as being anonymous on the internet anymore, your point means nothing. You had an opportunity in the past to make your system reputable with the help of dooglus and chose not to do it, and I've been suspicious of you since. This isn't about me trying to attack a rival site, I have enough bitcoins to be content forever and I have a full time job outside of PD and near zero expenses or desire for valuable things. This is just me pointing out an obvious scam and refusing to be as naive as others, I've pointed out the dangers in your site previously.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see a "whale" win 300 coins off investors and then those same funds used to pay off people who were scammed to keep this going or perhaps we'll see DB shut down and an identical website take its place.


I will not consider adding investments until it is 100% "provably fair" I recommend other people do not invest in these schemes until the implementation improves as well.

Alright this is beginning to get pathetic. The way they're handling the re-funds is absolutely absurd. So lets say I won 50 BTC (Before the so called rogue employee joined and changed the code to skip winning bets) and then I decide to do a few bets last night (After the employee joins) and I lose 40 coins because of them skipping every winning bet. Then I don't get re-funded since my account is still +10 coins in the green. That is absolutely disgusting.

Yes. That's how finn was winning around 25% of his 49.5% bets - whenever he was due to win twice in a row, he would win, otherwise he would lose.

I can verify your bets to check if your account is affected with the last accident just for small reward, please PM me if you are interested

See https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8714251 for an example of the cheating, and https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8717762 for the official explanation of how it happened.

I stand corrected. Are you sure dice is rolled again only once?

The bold part isn't true. Sometimes a winning bet was rolled again only once. If it was a winner the second time, it wasn't rolled again.

Official story: Bad anonymous employe changed server code so that some of the winning bets were not shown to the players and dropped into nonexistence.

Edit: to be exact, for those winning bets dice rolled again, until turned into losing bets. It was noticed that the nounce of the winning bets were missing.

Trying to get caught up on this thread after a few days....

What's this recent talk of refunds and caught cheating?

With respect to the refund method i'm in dubio (is that english?): I was at a profit of something like 5 btc and went down to -2.62 so on one hand i'm pissed that I don't get all the payouts of the missing nonce bets back (total that I found was for 3 btc but there could have been more) but on the other hand I can see dicebitco's point. I myself would probably have lost most of it anyway. Reaaly not sure what to think of this.

FYI I just received all my investment back promptly. I didn't gamble much so was not affected by this much. However, this is really painful to see something that was going so well mess up.