Topic: Silk Road: anonymous marketplace. Feedback requested :) - page 19. (Read 152817 times)
Silk Road is not the end of Bitcoin. Bitcoin itself is evil enough in the eyes of the excited states, remember what happened to E-Gold? EBullion? All the arrested LR and Pecunix traders in the US? yeah
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What if what Silk Road does isn't illegal in its country? Just because something is illegal in the US doesn't make it illegal everywhere. Nothing ties Silk Road to any one country, and certainly not the US.
This is true, and valid, and as unfortunate for the health of Bitcoin in the US as it is fortunate for Silkroad's well being everywhere. 
operating as if it, Silk Road, were above the law.
What if what Silk Road does isn't illegal in its country? Just because something is illegal in the US doesn't make it illegal everywhere. Nothing ties Silk Road to any one country, and certainly not the US.
Then we are doomed to lose. They will ban the possession and usage of bitcoins, they will subpoena ISPs (successfully), they will devise methods of tracking who is likely to use them, and the same machinery that makes search and seizure of narcotics from individuals so profitable will, with a slight change of its gears, shift to grind miners and traders in their teeth instead of growers.
They will find a way, if we do not have the general public backing us. This isn't a truly anonymous currency. We all know that.
When I speak of corruption, I am speaking of how the united states dollar has come to possess a certain sinister quality to it. It is managed on the macro level by organizations who have every advantage to keep the people using it in debt. We are a country composed of debt - in essence an economical feudal tyranny, with lords, knights, and peasants who are forced by necessity to serve. Their whips and prods are debt and interest. Their collars are credit. Bitcoin could challenge this, but only with those serfs behind it. They will not rally to your ideology because they believe drugs to be bad.
I understand your ideology. Do you now understand mine? We have different motivations in our support of Bitcoins. Let's leave it at that, for now.
They will find a way, if we do not have the general public backing us. This isn't a truly anonymous currency. We all know that.
When I speak of corruption, I am speaking of how the united states dollar has come to possess a certain sinister quality to it. It is managed on the macro level by organizations who have every advantage to keep the people using it in debt. We are a country composed of debt - in essence an economical feudal tyranny, with lords, knights, and peasants who are forced by necessity to serve. Their whips and prods are debt and interest. Their collars are credit. Bitcoin could challenge this, but only with those serfs behind it. They will not rally to your ideology because they believe drugs to be bad.
I understand your ideology. Do you now understand mine? We have different motivations in our support of Bitcoins. Let's leave it at that, for now.
While I don't suggest SR or Bitcoin would actively participate in acts of overt violence. I still think we need to ask if selling tar heroin to a young teen isn't a from of violence in and of itself?
Assuming that it is, what feasible recommendations do you have for Silk Road on the matter?Because I'm not sure what's really going on here I don't think I'm in any position to judge what is or isn't "feasible." If it's a hoax, it's beautiful. On the other hand if it is not a hoax, then I believe it becomes part of the problem. Certainly nothing like cartels and gangs, yet still operating as if it, Silk Road, were above the law. My aim has always been to change the law and make things better for everybody, except of course those who get fat off the way the law is today.
Many individuals who are interested in Bitcoin as a means of challenging the financial power structure that holds the american economy in a ruthless stranglehold would disagree with that statement, anisoptera. Advancement to a more secure and less easily corrupted form of currency is far more important than weed.com.
If Bitcoins cannot be used for, as you put it, "weed.com", then it is not, in fact, a "less easily corrupted form of currency". It is the same bullshit with a different name.
"Corruption" includes outside entities being allowed to arbitrarily decide that certain types of transactions are not authorized. If we allow this to happen to Bitcoin, we have lost.
The only people who should be able to decide if a transaction is acceptable are those involved in that transaction. It isn't the financial network's job to enforce laws. The fact that the US is able to use banking policies to enforce their laws on the world economy is wrong, and Bitcoin is the solution, but only if we protect that power.
You have to protect all the speech, even the speech you don't agree with. Today it's Silk Road. Do you think that that's where it stops?
Many individuals who are interested in Bitcoin as a means of challenging the financial power structure that holds the american economy in a ruthless stranglehold would disagree with that statement, anisoptera. Advancement to a more secure and less easily corrupted form of currency is far more important than weed.com.
I have no doubt in my mind that the cause Bitcoins represents is socially and economically many orders of magnitude more important for mankind's well being than you, Silkroad.
The cause Bitcoin represents is literally the freedom for sites such as Silk Road to exist. If Silk Road goes away, the ideology of Bitcoin has failed.
I don't know what you think Bitcoin is supposed to be doing if "Freedom to perform financial transactions regardless of the circumstances surrounding those transactions" isn't it.
Because Charles Schumer and those like him aren't going anywhere without an armed revolution. That's why. Silkroad, and the entire image of Bitcoins as "the black market currency", has the power to smash the public opinion we so desperately need to build in order to ensure active bitcoin trading by the general public. For Bitcoin to bloom, we cannot give federal and local enforcement authorities excuses to kick down our doors and seize our hard drives.
Silkroad is a tremendously good excuse.
Silkroad is a tremendously good excuse.
I am a single, small and un-influential voice in this community, and I want you gone, Silkroad. This has nothing to do with my personal views on unrestricted trade among consenting adults, and everything to do with the fact that the united states government in its totality has every motive to discredit, damage and disable Bitcoin by any means necessary, and that if Senator Charles Schumer's current actions have any weight to them, the machinery for this has already been set into motion, using you.
You, Silkroad, are a tremendous liability to Bitcoin, and while the users here who are interested in Bitcoin purely for black transactions will disagree vocally with my opinion, your assocation with us is extremely damaging. You can and will be used against us, and I for one want you gone. I do not wish to purchase illegal substances with Bitcoins. I want Bitcoins to be the image of moral progress to the people in my country, and as public opinions stand, this cannot come to be for as long as puppets like Schumer can gleefully call Bitcoins "the black market currency". I want you to drop Bitcoins as an accepted currency and terminate all association with Bitcoin.
You are, collectively, a huge threat to the Bitcoin movement, for purely political reasons, and I have no doubt in my mind that the cause Bitcoins represents is socially and economically many orders of magnitude more important for mankind's well being than you, Silkroad. I only wish more Bitcoin users here would recognize the danger of your association with us.
You, Silkroad, are a tremendous liability to Bitcoin, and while the users here who are interested in Bitcoin purely for black transactions will disagree vocally with my opinion, your assocation with us is extremely damaging. You can and will be used against us, and I for one want you gone. I do not wish to purchase illegal substances with Bitcoins. I want Bitcoins to be the image of moral progress to the people in my country, and as public opinions stand, this cannot come to be for as long as puppets like Schumer can gleefully call Bitcoins "the black market currency". I want you to drop Bitcoins as an accepted currency and terminate all association with Bitcoin.
You are, collectively, a huge threat to the Bitcoin movement, for purely political reasons, and I have no doubt in my mind that the cause Bitcoins represents is socially and economically many orders of magnitude more important for mankind's well being than you, Silkroad. I only wish more Bitcoin users here would recognize the danger of your association with us.
You seem confused. Charles Schumer (and those like him) are the problem, not the Silk Road.
Why don't you "want you gone, Charles Schumer"?
Personally, I want Charles Schumer to say the name "Bitcoin" and "currency" together in front of the media as often as possible. I don't know if Bitcoin is ready for the US government or not, but I'm ready to find out. In the meantime, any of the talking heads blathering on about Bitcoin adds credibility.
I am a single, small and un-influential voice in this community, and I want you gone, Silkroad. This has nothing to do with my personal views on unrestricted trade among consenting adults, and everything to do with the fact that the united states government in its totality has every motive to discredit, damage and disable Bitcoin by any means necessary, and that if Senator Charles Schumer's current actions have any weight to them, the machinery for this has already been set into motion, using you.
You, Silkroad, are a tremendous liability to Bitcoin, and while the users here who are interested in Bitcoin purely for black transactions will disagree vocally with my opinion, your assocation with us is extremely damaging. You can and will be used against us, and I for one want you gone. I do not wish to purchase illegal substances with Bitcoins. I want Bitcoins to be the image of moral progress to the people in my country, and as public opinions stand, this cannot come to be for as long as puppets like Schumer can gleefully call Bitcoins "the black market currency". I want you to drop Bitcoins as an accepted currency and terminate all association with Bitcoin.
You are, collectively, a huge threat to the Bitcoin movement, for purely political reasons, and I have no doubt in my mind that the cause Bitcoins represents is socially and economically many orders of magnitude more important for mankind's well being than you, Silkroad. I only wish more Bitcoin users here would recognize the danger of your association with us.
You, Silkroad, are a tremendous liability to Bitcoin, and while the users here who are interested in Bitcoin purely for black transactions will disagree vocally with my opinion, your assocation with us is extremely damaging. You can and will be used against us, and I for one want you gone. I do not wish to purchase illegal substances with Bitcoins. I want Bitcoins to be the image of moral progress to the people in my country, and as public opinions stand, this cannot come to be for as long as puppets like Schumer can gleefully call Bitcoins "the black market currency". I want you to drop Bitcoins as an accepted currency and terminate all association with Bitcoin.
You are, collectively, a huge threat to the Bitcoin movement, for purely political reasons, and I have no doubt in my mind that the cause Bitcoins represents is socially and economically many orders of magnitude more important for mankind's well being than you, Silkroad. I only wish more Bitcoin users here would recognize the danger of your association with us.
The SR controversy is merely senators trying to capitalize from tabloid journalism. it will die out in a week or so when @LulzSec is all over the news for h4xoring another FBI affiliate.
Online drug dealing has been going on since 1993 as far as i can remember. Patrick Kroupa used to sell acid and mesc on MindVox
Online drug dealing has been going on since 1993 as far as i can remember. Patrick Kroupa used to sell acid and mesc on MindVox
While I don't suggest SR or Bitcoin would actively participate in acts of overt violence. I still think we need to ask if selling tar heroin to a young teen isn't a from of violence in and of itself?
It's none of your business or mine, only that of the child and guardian.
In exactly the same way, I consider religious indoctrination to be a form of child abuse, but its none of my business if others indoctrinate their children into their choice of religion.
Ah, though, BitterTea, this system does not require a "guardian," or more importantly, parental authority. I respectfully disagree that the issue of drug trafficking to (or increasingly by) minors is of no concern to the larger community. In fact, it's a major concern in many communities. This building SR controversy is sure to only heighten it. Rather that be by design or not, remains to be seen. Perhaps SR will become a poster-boy for why we must regulate drugs and take them out of the hands of cartels, dealers and clandestine Internet markets.
While I don't suggest SR or Bitcoin would actively participate in acts of overt violence. I still think we need to ask if selling tar heroin to a young teen isn't a from of violence in and of itself?
Assuming that it is, what feasible recommendations do you have for Silk Road on the matter?
Try to directly relate BTC with SR is the same as linking the Federal Reserve with the drug cartels, taken they use mostly USD...
Still, I don't see the good of SR so far, it came way too soon and may end up linking BTC as "drugs currency"... but let's just hope that will not happen.
Still, I don't see the good of SR so far, it came way too soon and may end up linking BTC as "drugs currency"... but let's just hope that will not happen.
Yes! That's exactly why I am seeking clarification from Silk Road, Bitcoin and anyone involved in the illegal drug market today. No one appears to be stepping forward, at least not yet, to give us an idea of where SR, etc. stand on the moral and ethical issues I and others have raised.
We are not Silk Road. Try talking to them. Bitcoin is not related to Silk Road, beyond being an enabling technology. None of us take any responsibility for what they are doing, nor are we responsible for trying to defend their position on anything.
Dear creighto,
Thank you for that clarification. Although I do not understand what you mean by "enabling technology?"
So what is your role with Bitcoin? Do you speak for the organization?
No, I speak only for myself. I represent the owners of this forum in a limited fashion, but that is as far as it goes. There is no bitcoin "organization". If there were, this project would fail.
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So what is your role with Bitcoin? Do you speak for the organization?
troll much?
Yes! That's exactly why I am seeking clarification from Silk Road, Bitcoin and anyone involved in the illegal drug market today. No one appears to be stepping forward, at least not yet, to give us an idea of where SR, etc. stand on the moral and ethical issues I and others have raised.
We are not Silk Road. Try talking to them. Bitcoin is not related to Silk Road, beyond being an enabling technology. None of us take any responsibility for what they are doing, nor are we responsible for trying to defend their position on anything.
Dear creighto,
Thank you for that clarification. Although I do not understand what you mean by "enabling technology?"
So what is your role with Bitcoin? Do you speak for the organization?
Christ, there's always some whiteknight idiot claiming mail order sites sell teens/children evuuul drugs
#1 they can probably already buy it, at school. i could in grade 9 dealers were everywhere.
#2 mail will probably get opened by parents and drugs seized. they would be too paranoid to order
#3 mail order is too expensive. what kid can afford to blow $100+ on drugs when they could just pay somebody's older bro/sis to go get them bitch bombs of winecoolers aka Panty Remover
#4 parents already have stashes of Oxy, Valium, Drugs and Booze kids are getting into easily (Didn't you?)
#5 dirtbag skids at my jr. high huffed gas in the parkinglot and shop class all the time. at least if they can smuggle real drugs past their parents, it isn't a rag soaked with freaking GAS
in other news I lol'd when that senator in the US said today he would pull the Silk Road domain. series of tubes, hurrderp let's seize that .onion domain derrrrrrr what
#1 they can probably already buy it, at school. i could in grade 9 dealers were everywhere.
#2 mail will probably get opened by parents and drugs seized. they would be too paranoid to order
#3 mail order is too expensive. what kid can afford to blow $100+ on drugs when they could just pay somebody's older bro/sis to go get them bitch bombs of winecoolers aka Panty Remover
#4 parents already have stashes of Oxy, Valium, Drugs and Booze kids are getting into easily (Didn't you?)
#5 dirtbag skids at my jr. high huffed gas in the parkinglot and shop class all the time. at least if they can smuggle real drugs past their parents, it isn't a rag soaked with freaking GAS
in other news I lol'd when that senator in the US said today he would pull the Silk Road domain. series of tubes, hurrderp let's seize that .onion domain derrrrrrr what
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