Silk Road Operator Ross Ulbricht to Be Sentenced Today - page 3.

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Quote from: 311 on June 01, 2015, 02:39:32 AM

Wow, this is exactly what's usually wrong with the American justice system. Rich white kids usually get off whilst poor black people get thrown in jail for relatively minor crimes. Should white guys be given get out of jail free cards now?

OK. Got it. According to your logic, Ross Ullbricht should be punished, since he happened to have white skin and blue eyes. There are very few whites imprisoned right now (it doesn't matter that they make up 50% of the prison population). So we need to jail more Whites, in order to maintain the "racial equilibrium". Grin

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I really hate this case. It is such bs that the FBI can do illegal means that violate the forth amendment and you get screwed. I think this case should have been dismissed on the grounds that evidence was obtained illegally. The judge should be disbarred but that won't happen. Too much corruption in the justice system.

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Quote from: Finchy on June 01, 2015, 08:24:40 AM

Quote from: tidus1097 on June 01, 2015, 04:57:34 AM

Personally I feel that he will win in the appealate court system. If his defense can prove that the judge ruled unfavorably in the ruling(because the defense was not allowed to use their defense) then the ruling will be reviewed for appeal. From what I have learned of the trial, he has many markers for having a good chance at a appeal. The big question is, if someone can prove that the FBI hacked the server to reveal the info of DPR, then they must throw out all evidence including exculputary, and if necessary proceed with another trial or dismiss without prejudice. Which means they can pick the case back up in the future. Wish I had a mother and father like he does. Especially mom. She's in the trenches for him. Go get em Lyn.

That's even if it gets to an appeal court. They might not get that far but even if it did I don't think he'll get his ruling overturned or even a reduction in his sentence. I think giving him a reduced sentence and concrete release date would be fair and appropriate but we all know the us courts are not fair and appropriate. Have you watched the Deep Web documentary that aired last night? There was definitely unfair restrictions placed on what questions could be asked or refusal to answer on how evidence was obtained that were blocked that really should have been addressed.

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If his defense can prove that the judge ruled unfavorably in the ruling(because the defense was not allowed to use their defense) then the ruling will be reviewed for appeal.

That was my point entirely. IF his defense can prove bias into the trial, that in itself is grounds for a appeal. There are many other grounds for appeals as well, not just that one. Thats just 1 on the list of many that I see he can file for in appeals court.

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Quote from: tidus1097 on June 01, 2015, 04:57:34 AM

Personally I feel that he will win in the appealate court system. If his defense can prove that the judge ruled unfavorably in the ruling(because the defense was not allowed to use their defense) then the ruling will be reviewed for appeal. From what I have learned of the trial, he has many markers for having a good chance at a appeal. The big question is, if someone can prove that the FBI hacked the server to reveal the info of DPR, then they must throw out all evidence including exculputary, and if necessary proceed with another trial or dismiss without prejudice. Which means they can pick the case back up in the future. Wish I had a mother and father like he does. Especially mom. She's in the trenches for him. Go get em Lyn.

That's even if it gets to an appeal court. They might not get that far but even if it did I don't think he'll get his ruling overturned or even a reduction in his sentence. I think giving him a reduced sentence and concrete release date would be fair and appropriate but we all know the us courts are not fair and appropriate. Have you watched the Deep Web documentary that aired last night? There was definitely unfair restrictions placed on what questions could be asked or refusal to answer on how evidence was obtained that were blocked that really should have been addressed.

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Personally I feel that he will win in the appealate court system. If his defense can prove that the judge ruled unfavorably in the ruling(because the defense was not allowed to use their defense) then the ruling will be reviewed for appeal. From what I have learned of the trial, he has many markers for having a good chance at a appeal. The big question is, if someone can prove that the FBI hacked the server to reveal the info of DPR, then they must throw out all evidence including exculputary, and if necessary proceed with another trial or dismiss without prejudice. Which means they can pick the case back up in the future. Wish I had a mother and father like he does. Especially mom. She's in the trenches for him. Go get em Lyn.

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Quote from: TheIrishman on May 29, 2015, 06:35:51 PM

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/may/29/silk-road-ross-ulbricht-sentenced

The 31-year-old physics graduate and former boy scout was handed five sentences: one for 20 years[/b], one for 15 years, one for five and two for life. All are to be served concurrently with no chance of parole. The judge handed out the most severe sentence available to the man US authorities identified as "Dread Pirate Roberts", pseudonymous founder of an Amazon-like online market for illegal goods. >>

How is any of that a "life sentence"?

He'll be out in 15 years, max. Crazy Fanboi hysteria... Get a vibrator or something...

So the phrases "two for life" and "no chance of parole" somehow escaped your comprehension?

~~It said concurrently, so he doesn't need parole to be let out after 20 years because he has already finished serving all of the other sentences.~~

Ahh yup... someone listed the sentence lengths in random/retarded order so I missed it. Life is usually considered 25 years in other countries... You guys have geriatrics in American jails?... Y'all still need some f*cking vibrators to help you relax.

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Quote from: TheIrishman on May 29, 2015, 06:35:51 PM

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/may/29/silk-road-ross-ulbricht-sentenced

The 31-year-old physics graduate and former boy scout was handed five sentences: one for 20 years[/b], one for 15 years, one for five and two for life. All are to be served concurrently with no chance of parole. The judge handed out the most severe sentence available to the man US authorities identified as "Dread Pirate Roberts", pseudonymous founder of an Amazon-like online market for illegal goods. >>

How is any of that a "life sentence"?

He'll be out in 15 years, max. Crazy Fanboi hysteria... Get a vibrator or something...

So the phrases "two for life" and "no chance of parole" somehow escaped your comprehension?

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Quote from: 311 on June 01, 2015, 04:02:38 AM

He apparently thinks if you have a college degree you should be given a get out of jail free card but are 'literate/retarded' and live in Harlem/Brooklyn then you're worthless. Maybe Jay Z is worthless too. If we go by amazon4u's logic then Jay Z should have just been locked up because he was never going to contribute anything to society.

Still unwilling to read what amazon4u wrote. Maybe bold red text would help you see it?

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...locking people up is not the solution, re-educating them should be a main priority...

Personally I find it annoying when people claim that I'm saying the exact opposite of what I've said, but I won't speak for amazon4u.

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Quote from: TheIrishman on May 29, 2015, 06:35:51 PM

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/may/29/silk-road-ross-ulbricht-sentenced

The 31-year-old physics graduate and former boy scout was handed five sentences: one for 20 years[/b], one for 15 years, one for five and two for life. All are to be served concurrently with no chance of parole. The judge handed out the most severe sentence available to the man US authorities identified as "Dread Pirate Roberts", pseudonymous founder of an Amazon-like online market for illegal goods. >>

How is any of that a "life sentence"?

He'll be out in 15 years, max. Crazy Fanboi hysteria... Get a vibrator or something... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_hysteria

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Quote from: Crenel84 on June 01, 2015, 03:05:25 AM

Quote from: 311 on June 01, 2015, 02:39:32 AM

Quote from: amazon4u on May 31, 2015, 05:05:22 PM

Imagine this : an illiterate druglord from Harlem/Brooklyn pleads guilty and gets 20-30 years in prison and an educated guy who tries to fight the system (even though he was guilty in my opinion) gets life in prison without the possibility of parole...

who is more useful to society ?

the illiterate/retarded/ drug dealer from Harlem who in 20 years would be just as retarded as before with slim chances of rehabilitation, or an educated guy who in 20 years from now might have something to give back to society : such as advices to young men following in his footsteps...he could lead some really interesting seminaries and help a lot of people along the way to learn from his mistakes but as it turns out he will never have a second chance

The prison system in the US is just wrong...locking people up is not the solution, re-educating them should be a main priority....life in prison for Ross is unfair to say the least...the 20 years prison sentence would've been more appropriate but the US judiciary system has no interest in rehabilitation...

Wow, this is exactly what's usually wrong with the American justice system. Rich white kids usually get off whilst poor black people get thrown in jail for relatively minor crimes. Should white guys be given get out of jail free cards now?

Really? You use race in your response to a statement that does not refer to race... and then you say racial issues are "exactly what's wrong" with the system? Well, if you believe racial issues are the problem, then feel free to -- as the Michael Jackson song says -- start with the man in the mirror and "take a look at yourself, and then make a change." Or maybe when you reply to someone you should just set aside your own issues and see what they're trying to say (you know, like "locking people up is not the solution, re-educating them should be a main priority" which apparently escaped your notice).

Well replace race with classism or other types of discrimination. He apparently thinks if you have a college degree you should be given a get out of jail free card but are 'literate/retarded' and live in Harlem/Brooklyn then you're worthless. Maybe Jay Z is worthless too. If we go by amazon4u's logic then Jay Z should have just been locked up because he was never going to contribute anything to society.

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Quote from: 311 on June 01, 2015, 02:39:32 AM

Quote from: amazon4u on May 31, 2015, 05:05:22 PM

Imagine this : an illiterate druglord from Harlem/Brooklyn pleads guilty and gets 20-30 years in prison and an educated guy who tries to fight the system (even though he was guilty in my opinion) gets life in prison without the possibility of parole...

who is more useful to society ?

the illiterate/retarded/ drug dealer from Harlem who in 20 years would be just as retarded as before with slim chances of rehabilitation, or an educated guy who in 20 years from now might have something to give back to society : such as advices to young men following in his footsteps...he could lead some really interesting seminaries and help a lot of people along the way to learn from his mistakes but as it turns out he will never have a second chance

The prison system in the US is just wrong...locking people up is not the solution, re-educating them should be a main priority....life in prison for Ross is unfair to say the least...the 20 years prison sentence would've been more appropriate but the US judiciary system has no interest in rehabilitation...

Wow, this is exactly what's usually wrong with the American justice system. Rich white kids usually get off whilst poor black people get thrown in jail for relatively minor crimes. Should white guys be given get out of jail free cards now?

Really? You use race in your response to a statement that does not refer to race... and then you say racial issues are "exactly what's wrong" with the system? Well, if you believe racial issues are the problem, then feel free to -- as the Michael Jackson song says -- start with the man in the mirror and "take a look at yourself, and then make a change." Or maybe when you reply to someone you should just set aside your own issues and see what they're trying to say (you know, like "locking people up is not the solution, re-educating them should be a main priority" which apparently escaped your notice).

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Quote from: amazon4u on May 31, 2015, 05:05:22 PM

Imagine this : an illiterate druglord from Harlem/Brooklyn pleads guilty and gets 20-30 years in prison and an educated guy who tries to fight the system (even though he was guilty in my opinion) gets life in prison without the possibility of parole...

who is more useful to society ?

the illiterate/retarded/ drug dealer from Harlem who in 20 years would be just as retarded as before with slim chances of rehabilitation, or an educated guy who in 20 years from now might have something to give back to society : such as advices to young men following in his footsteps...he could lead some really interesting seminaries and help a lot of people along the way to learn from his mistakes but as it turns out he will never have a second chance

The prison system in the US is just wrong...locking people up is not the solution, re-educating them should be a main priority....life in prison for Ross is unfair to say the least...the 20 years prison sentence would've been more appropriate but the US judiciary system has no interest in rehabilitation...

It's not really a question of who is more useful to society though. Governments and those in positions of power have far greater reason to fear the latter type vs. the former.

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Quote from: jaysabi on May 31, 2015, 03:00:08 PM

I'm not talking about his sentence in regards to the attempted murder charge (which he has yet to be sentenced for in Maryland), but the idea that he is a sympathetic hero and the unfortunate victim of an out of control government. His attempted murder charge completely contradicts the martyr status people here are trying to thrust upon him. He's not a hero, he's a hypocrite who sold out his non-violent ideology when he solicited the murder of several individuals. My entire point has been he is not the rallying cry some in this thread want him to be, because he sought to use violence against people who were inconvenient to him; not that his prison sentences for 'non-violent' crimes are appropriate because he solicited murder.

This is what annoys me about his supporters. They completely ignore this charge and make him out to be some sort of freedom fighter hero. I might have sided with them had he not gone completely power-crazy and tried to murder people which he would have done successfully had he not been talking to undercover cops. I think the sentence he got is harsh but he's no angel and deserves time.

Quote from: amazon4u on May 31, 2015, 05:05:22 PM

Imagine this : an illiterate druglord from Harlem/Brooklyn pleads guilty and gets 20-30 years in prison and an educated guy who tries to fight the system (even though he was guilty in my opinion) gets life in prison without the possibility of parole...

who is more useful to society ?

the illiterate/retarded/ drug dealer from Harlem who in 20 years would be just as retarded as before with slim chances of rehabilitation, or an educated guy who in 20 years from now might have something to give back to society : such as advices to young men following in his footsteps...he could lead some really interesting seminaries and help a lot of people along the way to learn from his mistakes but as it turns out he will never have a second chance

The prison system in the US is just wrong...locking people up is not the solution, re-educating them should be a main priority....life in prison for Ross is unfair to say the least...the 20 years prison sentence would've been more appropriate but the US judiciary system has no interest in rehabilitation...

Wow, this is exactly what's usually wrong with the American justice system. Rich white kids usually get off whilst poor black people get thrown in jail for relatively minor crimes. Should white guys be given get out of jail free cards now?

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Silk Road sentencing: why governments can't win the war on darknet drugs

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/may/31/silk-road-sentencing-darknet-drugs

<< Dread Pirate Roberts may have been sentenced to life, but experts and customers say the tide has turned and internet markets for illicit products are here to stay. >>

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Quote from: amazon4u on May 31, 2015, 05:05:22 PM

....life in prison for Ross is unfair to say the least...the 20 years prison sentence would've been more appropriate but the US judiciary system has no interest in rehabilitation...

No argument here, I agree. I consider it a glaring violation of the 8th Amendment. Rapists can get out of prison in under 10 years, murderers can get out in under 30, but somebody running an online market without the supervision and taxation of the government gets multiple life sentences...? The "powers that be" don't like having their power undermined, and they made clear that his sentencing was meant to make an example out of him to discourage others. Whether Ulbricht is a saintly martyr on the temple of libertarianism or a scum only out for money and power means nothing (and meant nothing to his sentencing). This case, and the sentence, was entirely about government power; it's a libertarian issue regardless of the character, actions, or intentions of the man in the middle of the storm.

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Quote from: Benjig on May 30, 2015, 02:31:11 PM

Quote from: Rmcdermott927 on May 29, 2015, 11:17:16 PM

Quote from: Vod on May 29, 2015, 08:44:41 PM

Life in prison without parole. He'll never set foot outside of prison again for the rest of his life.

I wonder if this will deter other scammers, or do most people think they will never be caught, like he did?

I'm sorry, I am not up to date on this story. Did he scam people or did he just operate silk road?

Isn't he same thing?

However in few years, when they legalize half of the stuff that was available on Silk Road, his punishment will become even more ridiculous, not to mention false laws at the first place. We're not living in the free world, we're living in fucking Matrix, I feel real sorry for him.

No, they aren't the same thing. Operating a black market is one thing, but trying to milk money out of people under false pretexts is a different thing.

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Quote from: jaysabi on May 31, 2015, 03:00:08 PM

His attempted murder charge remains wholly relevant.

Relevant to your tangent about how people may view him. Not relevant to the rest of the thread about his sentencing.

Imagine this : an illiterate druglord from Harlem/Brooklyn pleads guilty and gets 20-30 years in prison and an educated guy who tries to fight the system (even though he was guilty in my opinion) gets life in prison without the possibility of parole...

who is more useful to society ?

the illiterate/retarded/ drug dealer from Harlem who in 20 years would be just as retarded as before with slim chances of rehabilitation, or an educated guy who in 20 years from now might have something to give back to society : such as advices to young men following in his footsteps...he could lead some really interesting seminaries and help a lot of people along the way to learn from his mistakes but as it turns out he will never have a second chance

The prison system in the US is just wrong...locking people up is not the solution, re-educating them should be a main priority....life in prison for Ross is unfair to say the least...the 20 years prison sentence would've been more appropriate but the US judiciary system has no interest in rehabilitation...

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Quote from: jaysabi on May 31, 2015, 03:00:08 PM

His attempted murder charge remains wholly relevant.

Relevant to your tangent about how people may view him. Not relevant to the rest of the thread about his sentencing.

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Quote from: Crenel84 on May 30, 2015, 11:22:12 PM

Quote from: jaysabi on May 30, 2015, 09:46:16 PM

That's why the attempted murder charge is important to me. Even if we could all agree that in a "free society" none of his drug dealing and money laundering actions should be illegal, there is nothing that can justify murder.

"Even if we could all agree" that "there is nothing that can can justify murder" ("murder" being an unfortunately malleable concept), that's irrelevant. The multiple life sentences he was given have nothing to do with the attempted murder charge. There were seven charges behind this excessive sentencing, none of which are for crimes with direct victims, unlike (attempted) murder. And convicted murderers can do less time, so even if the attempted murder charge was somehow relevant, it still does not justify Ulbricht's sentencing.

Three charges were for crimes related to the "war on drugs" which was a failure from the very moment it was conceived, one is merely "you're a bad guy according to us," one is ridiculous starting with the very title of it (ooooh, computer "hacking"), and two are about government control over citizens (regarding money and identity documentation).

The charges were:

Distribution/Aiding and Abetting the Distribution of Narcotics
Distribution/Aiding and Abetting the Distribution of Narcotics by Means of the Internet
Conspiracy to Distribute Narcotics
Continuing Criminal Enterprise
Conspiracy to Commit or Aid and Abet Computer Hacking
Conspiracy to Traffic in Fraudulent Identity Documents
Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering

See: Reference
Also see: 8th Amendment to the US Constitution

I'm not talking about his sentence in regards to the attempted murder charge (which he has yet to be sentenced for in Maryland), but the idea that he is a sympathetic hero and the unfortunate victim of an out of control government. His attempted murder charge completely contradicts the martyr status people here are trying to thrust upon him. He's not a hero, he's a hypocrite who sold out his non-violent ideology when he solicited the murder of several individuals. My entire point has been he is not the rallying cry some in this thread want him to be, because he sought to use violence against people who were inconvenient to him; not that his prison sentences for 'non-violent' crimes are appropriate because he solicited murder.

For context, here are my previous short posts:

Quote from: jaysabi on May 30, 2015, 10:57:13 AM

Quote from: Rmcdermott927 on May 29, 2015, 11:17:16 PM

Quote from: Vod on May 29, 2015, 08:44:41 PM

Life in prison without parole. He'll never set foot outside of prison again for the rest of his life.

I wonder if this will deter other scammers, or do most people think they will never be caught, like he did?

I'm sorry, I am not up to date on this story. Did he scam people or did he just operate silk road?

I don't particularly care about Silk Road as a black market. The money laundering is a larger issue, but even this one I can get past. But the murder for hire charge is where I draw the line. I would like to see him serve an appropriately long prison term for attempted murder. It's not excusable.

Edit: I see now they never ended up charging him with the attempted murder charge.

Quote from: jaysabi on May 30, 2015, 11:29:04 AM

Quote from: jmurjeff on May 30, 2015, 11:03:09 AM

Quote from: jaysabi on May 30, 2015, 10:57:13 AM

Quote from: Rmcdermott927 on May 29, 2015, 11:17:16 PM

Quote from: Vod on May 29, 2015, 08:44:41 PM

Life in prison without parole. He'll never set foot outside of prison again for the rest of his life.

I wonder if this will deter other scammers, or do most people think they will never be caught, like he did?

I'm sorry, I am not up to date on this story. Did he scam people or did he just operate silk road?

I don't particularly care about Silk Road as a black market. The money laundering is a larger issue, but even this one I can get past. But the murder for hire charge is where I draw the line. I would like to see him serve an appropriately long prison term for attempted murder. It's not excusable.

Edit: I see now they never ended up charging him with the attempted murder charge.

He still has to face this charge in Maryland. Even if he wins on appeal a reduced sentence, he may get added time for the Maryland charge. He is pretty much going to be stuck behind bars for life.

I thought I had read somewhere that he was charged with attempted murder, so the information in this article wasn't gelling with that. Thanks for reconciling it. It's a serious charge, and one that can't be excused with the community's rush to turn him into a martyr. Pick better heroes, because this guy is not a rallying cry.

His attempted murder charge remains wholly relevant.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 31, 2015, 08:53:53 AM

Quote from: 311 on May 31, 2015, 08:24:04 AM

Apart from all the evidence he was found with on his computer. He's guilty. End of. The only people who are defending him seem to be blinded by this libertarian whole fuck da bankers thing. I'd have had respect for him if he truly stuck to his libertarian morals but he didn't. The power went to his head and he tried to bump people off because they threatened his empire.

Have you personally seen the evidence retrieved from his laptop? The evidence from his laptop proved that he was the administrator of Silk Road, but nothing more. Only a few cooked up emails / chats are presented as "evidence" for the claim that he attempted to murder some of the Silk Road vendors. I am not blinded by anything. I just refuse to be brainwashed by this whole CIA / FBI BS.

So the evidence that's he's the admin is good enough but not everything else? I think you're blinded by your own bias and apparent dislike of the CIA/FBI. They didn't need to cook anything up but of course the conspiracy is always sexier especially when you get to pin it on government corruption.

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