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Topic: Silkroad closed down. Owner Arrested. - page 5. (Read 9649 times)

legendary
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October 02, 2013, 01:49:26 PM
#47
Watching the recent block confirmations. A lot of big transfers by fat wallets. Either some involved party is busy hauling off Silkroad's corpse, or this crash is going deeper than I expected.
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October 02, 2013, 01:42:12 PM
#46
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The FBI has also seized approximately $3.6m (£2,2m) worth of bitcoins - a virtual currency.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24373759

The question then becomes. Will the US Government sell the BTC to pay its debts or hold?

The wallet is mostly likely password protected.  The feds can see the balance but wont be able to spend it without a password.  Either a keylogger needed to be installed or ulrich gives the password.

He will definitely give the password if it gets him a plea of some sort. Thats a lot of money to just leave hanging out there and the FBI will probably want to do something with it. Especially considering there is a chance that somebody else out there knows the password and has the wallet.dat
legendary
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October 02, 2013, 01:40:24 PM
#45
The wallet is mostly likely password protected.  The feds can see the balance but wont be able to spend it without a password.  Either a keylogger needed to be installed or ulrich gives the password.
That's only the case if Silk Road didn't support instant withdrawal.

If instant withdrawal was supported, then there was a hot wallet that can't be password protected (or is password protected with a plaintext password stored elsewhere - equally useless). Of course, given that the seized BTC stash is less than 10% of the supposed commissions collected during Silk Road's operation, there's a significant chance that Silk Road has a cold password-protected wallet not covered by the reported seizure, and a near-surety that Ulbricht has other coins at some other address.
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October 02, 2013, 01:33:44 PM
#44
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The FBI has also seized approximately $3.6m (£2,2m) worth of bitcoins - a virtual currency.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24373759

The question then becomes. Will the US Government sell the BTC to pay its debts or hold?

The wallet is mostly likely password protected.  The feds can see the balance but wont be able to spend it without a password.  Either a keylogger needed to be installed or ulrich gives the password.
legendary
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October 02, 2013, 01:29:45 PM
#43
How did they "seize" bitcoins?  
Silkroad has a government closure notice, so they obviously obtained control over its servers.

Given that, and given that Silkroad didn't use brainwallets for ops money, control over the Bitcoin private keys - and thus, the bitcoins - is trivial.

Edit: Then again, unless we've seen a huge, tens-of-thousands-of-BTC transaction in the last 48 hours, it's possible that the FBI has merely assumed the above without actually taking possession of the bitcoins. In which case, if a bailed Ross Ulbricht has access to a wallet backup...
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October 02, 2013, 01:28:56 PM
#42
How did they "seize" bitcoins? 

Just how they can seize your computer Smiley.
legendary
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October 02, 2013, 01:27:41 PM
#41
Bitcoin is much bigger than SR, in the long run this will be a good thing!

Not really. Most (all) of the sites that accept bitcoin directly, or through a payment processor, look like bodega shops.
Counterexample: OKCupid (Alexa <1000, used by plenty of non-technical people). Also premium subscriptions on 4chan (Alexa <1000) and reddit (Alexa <100).

Long-term, this is not going to have a catastrophic effect. Short-term, well, we're seeing a crash at this very moment, and it'll probably go some distance before things level out.
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October 02, 2013, 01:27:11 PM
#40
How did they "seize" bitcoins? 
sr. member
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October 02, 2013, 01:24:52 PM
#39
This is the buying opportunity we've all been waiting for.
It is, indeed :3

That's not how speculative markets work. If everybody believes a certain price point or range will be reached, then it will not.

Yes, it is that simple. Puzzling why some of you have not figured this out yet.

Plants need light, silly!

Aka don't try to correct me on something I've never even mentioned.
I never mentioned any certain price point.
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October 02, 2013, 01:24:17 PM
#38
This is the buying opportunity we've all been waiting for.

Last chance to get BTC below $100 Smiley
legendary
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October 02, 2013, 01:22:50 PM
#37
btce   25.70%   7080.84   92.73 USD

btce   26.81%   7761.12   80.00 USD
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October 02, 2013, 01:20:29 PM
#36
This is the buying opportunity we've all been waiting for.
It is, indeed :3

That's not how speculative markets work. If everybody believes a certain price point or range will be reached, then it will not.

Yes, it is that simple. Puzzling why some of you have not figured this out yet.
sr. member
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October 02, 2013, 01:18:00 PM
#35
This is the buying opportunity we've all been waiting for.
It is, indeed :3
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21 million. I want them all.
October 02, 2013, 01:14:53 PM
#34
This is the buying opportunity we've all been waiting for.
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October 02, 2013, 01:14:01 PM
#33
Sub 100 is clearly possible, maybe I should have said that with crazy crash I mean sub $60 xD
But I don't think it will be for long.
I'm no oracle though, we will see ^^

Exactly - at 60 I'll start to buy. Cant wait.
Hmmm, I have bids earlier than 60..... all the way down....  Cheesy

BTC-E just hit 109 and dropping.....
FNG
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October 02, 2013, 01:13:21 PM
#32
coinbase no longer tracking bitstamp
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October 02, 2013, 01:10:33 PM
#31
Sub 100 is clearly possible, maybe I should have said that with crazy crash I mean sub $60 xD
But I don't think it will be for long.
I'm no oracle though, we will see ^^

Exactly - at 60 I'll start to buy. Cant wait.
sr. member
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October 02, 2013, 01:10:29 PM
#30
This is a roller coaster, I can't imagine which other asset / currency is so muchy fun to trade?

Is this the second presumed "death" of Bitcoin or just a slight pothole? (no pun intended)


It's really impossible to judge which way this is going to go. Great fun as always.

But we all knew that SR was going bust one day, it was only a question of when..
sr. member
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October 02, 2013, 01:08:53 PM
#29
no effect  

I think it will have an effect, there are some people who believe Silk road is a good portion of the Bitcoin market and they will probably sell.
Also those that want to profit from that fall will also sell.
So I guess we will see a selloff for a short time, but no crazy crash.
no we will see a crazy crash. if you dont sell now you will be well under 100 by tomorrow. mock my words. dont beleave me thats fine but do your self a favor and sell what you can. you can always buy back in tomorrow or the next when its the same price. BUT IT WONT BE for gods sakes man this is the sell sell sell time. sub 100 in 24-48 hrs garunteeeed

Sub 100 is clearly possible, maybe I should have said that with crazy crash I mean sub $60 xD
But I don't think it will be for long.
I'm no oracle though, we will see ^^
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October 02, 2013, 01:07:16 PM
#28
Ok, this is getting silly now. Time to buy some cheap BTC  Grin  Grin  Grin
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