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I would like there be a all-encompassing historical price index for USDBTC.

I currently think that:
- Since Mt.Gox opened, at least until they started having difficulties last summer, it would be MtGox price.
- After the said difficulties, I don't know (help me!)
- Before the opening, the only datapoint I know is the pizza that was about 0.0025 $/BTC. Does anyone know of others that could be used?

peter surda (lonelyminer here) has been researching early prices, I think. I remember him talking about people selling at cost of energy for mining in the early days. Maybe PM him?
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why do you guys keep arguing with crumbs? Dont you see his ignore is dark orange?

You guys keep quoting hims make my ignore list useless.

Move on pls



It only took two posts before I realized he was ignore-worthy

I should have known after the first bit displaying his wealth of economic ignorance  Grin

He could barely wipe paul krugman's semen off of his lips quick enough to yell "hoarding is bad" at the first opportunity. It's like this guy is made of cliches.

Pssst, Ashley, what's it like to have the whole Invisible Hand up in there?  Huh
sr. member
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why do you guys keep arguing with crumbs? Dont you see his ignore is dark orange?

You guys keep quoting hims make my ignore list useless.

Move on pls



It only took two posts before I realized he was ignore-worthy

I should have known after the first bit displaying his wealth of economic ignorance  Grin

He could barely wipe paul krugman's semen off of his lips quick enough to yell "hoarding is bad" at the first opportunity. It's like this guy is made of cliches. I come here to get away from the embarrassing drivel that passes for "economics" these days: Spend spend spend, consume consume consume, debt debt debt, unsustainable bubble to da moon in every market, and oh ya, hoarding is bad because it makes people not spend spend spend, consume consume consume!
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Crumbs,

You do know the difference between money and currency right?  Money is a meduim of exchange and a store of value.  A currency is only a medium of exchange but not necessarily a store of value.  Thats why I have been using the term money when describing gold and bitcoin.  You have yet to use the term currency when speaking of fiat, which is a more accurate description.

I'm a patient, softhearted guy, but you're really beginning to try my patience Angry  This is it -- your last chance:

"Money is any object or record that is generally accepted as payment for goods and services and repayment of debts in a given socio-economic context or country."  --Teh Teachings Of Wikipedos

That's what money is.  
That's where gold and bitcoin fail.
There is no country in which gold or bitcoin are "generally accepted as payment for goods and services."  Gold was once used, but, alas -- a defunct technology.  A relic.  No moar.

A feeble case could be made that bitcoin is accepted as payment in a particular socio-economic context -- amongst bitcoin users.
Fair enough, though we've certainly cut our path unintentionally wide:  Dope, in that case, would be money amongst strung-out dopers, shoes amongst shoe fetishists, etc., etc.  That's what the nerds call Reductio ad Absurdum.

The Dollar, on the other hand, fits the learned Wikipedia definition to a T.

And that's what makes Teh Dollar ... Sound Money. Cool


Whay you are describing is fiat currency, not sound money.  Explain the difference between money and currency if you can.

Please consider an adult education class at your local continuing education facility.
You have exhausted my generosity.

Try this, since you love Wikipedia, and used the term Sound Money: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_money

Even though it redirects to hard currency, which to me is a subset of sound money, it specifically mentions store of value.

You've answered your own question.  The dollar is prominently featured as an example of hard currency, being the de facto reserve currency of the world.  Both gold and bitcoin are notably absent.
Did you assume Sound Money to be a phrase trademarked, reserved & copyrighted by crusty Austrian misers?

You fixate on "the store of value."  Sure, the dollar stores value.  This does not imply that it stores it indefinitely any more than a battery, designed to store charge, will hold it forever.
While losing charge is an undesirable quality in a battery, for the dollar it is an exactingly engineered feature.  Its architects dubbed this quality inflation, and i've graciously described it in an earlier post for your edification.

As the de facto reserve currency of the world, the dollar's value is Teh Standard -- the yardstick by which other, lesser currencies are measured.  As The Standard, its value is immutable Cool

Finally, let's not lose track of the fact that The Dollar actually buys things -- the very hallmark of moneyness.  Something neither bitcoin nor gold are any good at now that DPR has bid us adieu Sad


What are you arguing? That the U.S. Dollar is worth something?

We all know its worth something. Its just that most likely it will be worth less than what is worth now a week from now. As you mentioned it is "engineered" to do so. I would rather have just enough of the U.S. dollar to buy things with and store the rest of my wealth elsewhere. That's why BTC as a store of wealth is a vastly greater opportunity than as a replacement of the U.S. dollar.

Let the U.S. dollar inflate and let my wealth grow faster than that decrease of the U.S. dollar. Meanwhile, BTC can be a growing niche currency, a way to create frictionless transfers of money and mainly a store of wealth. I'll be happy with that evolutionary cycle.

Are you even paying attention?
Are you saying anything that i didn't say already?  Only a fool would hoard dollars.  Said that.  Only a fool would expect the dollar to be worth as much tomorrow as it does today.  Said that too.
What, exactly, do you find issue with Huh

I use and trade bitcoin -- why in the world are you preaching to the choir?
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why do you guys keep arguing with crumbs? Dont you see his ignore is dark orange?

You guys keep quoting hims make my ignore list useless.

Move on pls
legendary
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Crumbs,

You do know the difference between money and currency right?  Money is a meduim of exchange and a store of value.  A currency is only a medium of exchange but not necessarily a store of value.  Thats why I have been using the term money when describing gold and bitcoin.  You have yet to use the term currency when speaking of fiat, which is a more accurate description.

I'm a patient, softhearted guy, but you're really beginning to try my patience Angry  This is it -- your last chance:

"Money is any object or record that is generally accepted as payment for goods and services and repayment of debts in a given socio-economic context or country."  --Teh Teachings Of Wikipedos

That's what money is.  
That's where gold and bitcoin fail.
There is no country in which gold or bitcoin are "generally accepted as payment for goods and services."  Gold was once used, but, alas -- a defunct technology.  A relic.  No moar.

A feeble case could be made that bitcoin is accepted as payment in a particular socio-economic context -- amongst bitcoin users.
Fair enough, though we've certainly cut our path unintentionally wide:  Dope, in that case, would be money amongst strung-out dopers, shoes amongst shoe fetishists, etc., etc.  That's what the nerds call Reductio ad Absurdum.

The Dollar, on the other hand, fits the learned Wikipedia definition to a T.

And that's what makes Teh Dollar ... Sound Money. Cool


Whay you are describing is fiat currency, not sound money.  Explain the difference between money and currency if you can.

Please consider an adult education class at your local continuing education facility.
You have exhausted my generosity.

Try this, since you love Wikipedia, and used the term Sound Money: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_money

Even though it redirects to hard currency, which to me is a subset of sound money, it specifically mentions store of value.

You've answered your own question.  The dollar is prominently featured as an example of hard currency, being the de facto reserve currency of the world.  Both gold and bitcoin are notably absent.
Did you assume Sound Money to be a phrase trademarked, reserved & copyrighted by crusty Austrian misers?

You fixate on "the store of value."  Sure, the dollar stores value.  This does not imply that it stores it indefinitely any more than a battery, designed to store charge, will hold it forever.
While losing charge is an undesirable quality in a battery, for the dollar it is an exactingly engineered feature.  Its architects dubbed this quality inflation, and i've graciously described it in an earlier post for your edification.

As the de facto reserve currency of the world, the dollar's value is Teh Standard -- the yardstick by which other, lesser currencies are measured.  As The Standard, its value is immutable Cool

Finally, let's not lose track of the fact that The Dollar actually buys things -- the very hallmark of moneyness.  Something neither bitcoin nor gold are any good at now that DPR has bid us adieu Sad


What are you arguing? That the U.S. Dollar is worth something?

We all know its worth something. Its just that most likely it will be worth less than what is worth now a week from now. As you mentioned it is "engineered" to do so. I would rather have just enough of the U.S. dollar to buy things with and store the rest of my wealth elsewhere. That's why BTC as a store of wealth is a vastly greater opportunity than as a replacement of the U.S. dollar.

Let the U.S. dollar inflate and let my wealth grow faster than that decrease of the U.S. dollar. Meanwhile, BTC can be a growing niche currency, a way to create frictionless transfers of money and mainly a store of wealth. I'll be happy with that evolutionary cycle.
legendary
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Wait, when did I ask a question?
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Crumbs,

You do know the difference between money and currency right?  Money is a meduim of exchange and a store of value.  A currency is only a medium of exchange but not necessarily a store of value.  Thats why I have been using the term money when describing gold and bitcoin.  You have yet to use the term currency when speaking of fiat, which is a more accurate description.

I'm a patient, softhearted guy, but you're really beginning to try my patience Angry  This is it -- your last chance:

"Money is any object or record that is generally accepted as payment for goods and services and repayment of debts in a given socio-economic context or country."  --Teh Teachings Of Wikipedos

That's what money is.  
That's where gold and bitcoin fail.
There is no country in which gold or bitcoin are "generally accepted as payment for goods and services."  Gold was once used, but, alas -- a defunct technology.  A relic.  No moar.

A feeble case could be made that bitcoin is accepted as payment in a particular socio-economic context -- amongst bitcoin users.
Fair enough, though we've certainly cut our path unintentionally wide:  Dope, in that case, would be money amongst strung-out dopers, shoes amongst shoe fetishists, etc., etc.  That's what the nerds call Reductio ad Absurdum.

The Dollar, on the other hand, fits the learned Wikipedia definition to a T.

And that's what makes Teh Dollar ... Sound Money. Cool


Whay you are describing is fiat currency, not sound money.  Explain the difference between money and currency if you can.

Please consider an adult education class at your local continuing education facility.
You have exhausted my generosity.

Try this, since you love Wikipedia, and used the term Sound Money: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_money

Even though it redirects to hard currency, which to me is a subset of sound money, it specifically mentions store of value.

You've answered your own question.  The dollar is prominently featured as an example of hard currency, being the de facto reserve currency of the world.  Both gold and bitcoin are notably absent.
Did you assume Sound Money to be a phrase trademarked, reserved & copyrighted by crusty Austrian misers?

You fixate on "the store of value."  Sure, the dollar stores value.  This does not imply that it stores it indefinitely any more than a battery, designed to store charge, will hold it forever.
While losing charge is an undesirable quality in a battery, for the dollar it is an exactingly engineered feature.  Its architects dubbed this quality inflation, and i've graciously described it in an earlier post for your edification.

As the de facto reserve currency of the world, the dollar's value is Teh Standard -- the yardstick by which other, lesser currencies are measured.  As The Standard, its value is immutable Cool

Finally, let's not lose track of the fact that The Dollar actually buys things -- the very hallmark of moneyness.  Something neither bitcoin nor gold are any good at now that DPR has bid us adieu Sad

legendary
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Crumbs,

You do know the difference between money and currency right?  Money is a meduim of exchange and a store of value.  A currency is only a medium of exchange but not necessarily a store of value.  Thats why I have been using the term money when describing gold and bitcoin.  You have yet to use the term currency when speaking of fiat, which is a more accurate description.

I'm a patient, softhearted guy, but you're really beginning to try my patience Angry  This is it -- your last chance:

"Money is any object or record that is generally accepted as payment for goods and services and repayment of debts in a given socio-economic context or country."  --Teh Teachings Of Wikipedos

That's what money is.  
That's where gold and bitcoin fail.
There is no country in which gold or bitcoin are "generally accepted as payment for goods and services."  Gold was once used, but, alas -- a defunct technology.  A relic.  No moar.

A feeble case could be made that bitcoin is accepted as payment in a particular socio-economic context -- amongst bitcoin users.
Fair enough, though we've certainly cut our path unintentionally wide:  Dope, in that case, would be money amongst strung-out dopers, shoes amongst shoe fetishists, etc., etc.  That's what the nerds call Reductio ad Absurdum.

The Dollar, on the other hand, fits the learned Wikipedia definition to a T.

And that's what makes Teh Dollar ... Sound Money. Cool


Whay you are describing is fiat currency, not sound money.  Explain the difference between money and currency if you can.

Please consider an adult education class at your local continuing education facility.
You have exhausted my generosity.

Try this, since you love Wikipedia, and used the term Sound Money: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_money

Even though it redirects to hard currency, which to me is a subset of sound money, it specifically mentions store of value.
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Crumbs,

You do know the difference between money and currency right?  Money is a meduim of exchange and a store of value.  A currency is only a medium of exchange but not necessarily a store of value.  Thats why I have been using the term money when describing gold and bitcoin.  You have yet to use the term currency when speaking of fiat, which is a more accurate description.

I'm a patient, softhearted guy, but you're really beginning to try my patience Angry  This is it -- your last chance:

"Money is any object or record that is generally accepted as payment for goods and services and repayment of debts in a given socio-economic context or country."  --Teh Teachings Of Wikipedos

That's what money is. 
That's where gold and bitcoin fail.
There is no country in which gold or bitcoin are "generally accepted as payment for goods and services."  Gold was once used, but, alas -- a defunct technology.  A relic.  No moar.

A feeble case could be made that bitcoin is accepted as payment in a particular socio-economic context -- amongst bitcoin users.
Fair enough, though we've certainly cut our path unintentionally wide:  Dope, in that case, would be money amongst strung-out dopers, shoes amongst shoe fetishists, etc., etc.  That's what the nerds call Reductio ad Absurdum.

The Dollar, on the other hand, fits the learned Wikipedia definition to a T.

And that's what makes Teh Dollar ... Sound Money. Cool


Whay you are describing is fiat currency, not sound money.  Explain the difference between money and currency if you can.

Please consider an adult education class at your local continuing education facility.
You have exhausted my generosity.

Fiat currency and bitcoin are literally changing the definition of money.  Fiat currency has proven to not be a store of value, excluding it from being defined as money.  Bitcoin is helping to make this phenomenon apparent.  Think outside the box a little.
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Crumbs,

You do know the difference between money and currency right?  Money is a meduim of exchange and a store of value.  A currency is only a medium of exchange but not necessarily a store of value.  Thats why I have been using the term money when describing gold and bitcoin.  You have yet to use the term currency when speaking of fiat, which is a more accurate description.

I'm a patient, softhearted guy, but you're really beginning to try my patience Angry  This is it -- your last chance:

"Money is any object or record that is generally accepted as payment for goods and services and repayment of debts in a given socio-economic context or country."  --Teh Teachings Of Wikipedos

That's what money is. 
That's where gold and bitcoin fail.
There is no country in which gold or bitcoin are "generally accepted as payment for goods and services."  Gold was once used, but, alas -- a defunct technology.  A relic.  No moar.

A feeble case could be made that bitcoin is accepted as payment in a particular socio-economic context -- amongst bitcoin users.
Fair enough, though we've certainly cut our path unintentionally wide:  Dope, in that case, would be money amongst strung-out dopers, shoes amongst shoe fetishists, etc., etc.  That's what the nerds call Reductio ad Absurdum.

The Dollar, on the other hand, fits the learned Wikipedia definition to a T.

And that's what makes Teh Dollar ... Sound Money. Cool


Whay you are describing is fiat currency, not sound money.  Explain the difference between money and currency if you can.

Please consider an adult education class at your local continuing education facility.
You have exhausted my generosity.
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Crumbs,

You do know the difference between money and currency right?  Money is a meduim of exchange and a store of value.  A currency is only a medium of exchange but not necessarily a store of value.  Thats why I have been using the term money when describing gold and bitcoin.  You have yet to use the term currency when speaking of fiat, which is a more accurate description.

I'm a patient, softhearted guy, but you're really beginning to try my patience Angry  This is it -- your last chance:

"Money is any object or record that is generally accepted as payment for goods and services and repayment of debts in a given socio-economic context or country."  --Teh Teachings Of Wikipedos

That's what money is.  
That's where gold and bitcoin fail.
There is no country in which gold or bitcoin are "generally accepted as payment for goods and services."  Gold was once used, but, alas -- a defunct technology.  A relic.  No moar.

A feeble case could be made that bitcoin is accepted as payment in a particular socio-economic context -- amongst bitcoin users.
Fair enough, though we've certainly cut our path unintentionally wide:  Dope, in that case, would be money amongst strung-out dopers, shoes amongst shoe fetishists, etc., etc.  That's what the nerds call Reductio ad Absurdum.

The Dollar, on the other hand, fits the learned Wikipedia definition to a T.

And that's what makes Teh Dollar ... Sound Money. Cool


Whay you are describing is fiat currency, not sound money.  Explain the difference between money and currency if you can.  Also, that wiki definition is skeptical at best.
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Crumbs,

You do know the difference between money and currency right?  Money is a meduim of exchange and a store of value.  A currency is only a medium of exchange but not necessarily a store of value.  Thats why I have been using the term money when describing gold and bitcoin.  You have yet to use the term currency when speaking of fiat, which is a more accurate description.

I'm a patient, softhearted guy, but you're really beginning to try my patience Angry  This is it -- your last chance:

"Money is any object or record that is generally accepted as payment for goods and services and repayment of debts in a given socio-economic context or country."  --Teh Teachings Of Wikipedos

That's what money is. 
That's where gold and bitcoin fail.
There is no country in which gold or bitcoin are "generally accepted as payment for goods and services."  Gold was once used, but, alas -- a defunct technology.  A relic.  No moar.

A feeble case could be made that bitcoin is accepted as payment in a particular socio-economic context -- amongst bitcoin users.
Fair enough, though we've certainly cut our path unintentionally wide:  Dope, in that case, would be money amongst strung-out dopers, shoes amongst shoe fetishists, etc., etc.  That's what the nerds call Reductio ad Absurdum.

The Dollar, on the other hand, fits the learned Wikipedia definition to a T.

And that's what makes Teh Dollar ... Sound Money. Cool
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Crumbs,

You do know the difference between money and currency right?  Money is a meduim of exchange and a store of value.  A currency is only a medium of exchange but not necessarily a store of value.  Thats why I have been using the term money when describing gold and bitcoin.  You have yet to use the term currency when speaking of fiat, which is a more accurate description.
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I stopped reading when the neo-keynesian weenie started talking about how hoarding = bad.

Read Fekete.
 
If you love inflationary fiat so much why are you here, on a website dedicated to bitcoin? Bitcoins are deflationary. You don't like deflationary. So are you a shill or just here to troll?

Lol.  Bitcoin is inflationary, hence the circus provided by folks "investing" in ASICs.  What do you think the mined coins are, and where do they come from?
As far as shilling for fiat, i'm afraid it needs no shills -- mah $$$ are just fine without my advertising them, and i'm not trying to sell any.
As far as my being on this forum -- i use and trade bitcoin.  Is that reason enough?

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Inflation doesn't "work," it is just glorified theft. If only fools hoard and inflation "works" to prevent hoarding, why are there so many people 'hoarding' hundreds of millions of dollars in FRNcoin? (federal reserve note coin, the electronic currency  Grin Grin Grin)

You've been misinformed.  Rich people don't hoard money -- they invest & spend it.  Otherwise they'd be poor.  Mattress-stuffing is a sure way to go broke.  Inflation.  95% down from 1913 yada yada.  What fool would hoard that worthless stuff?  Might as well hoard autumn leaves...

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Hoarding is simply a part of any currency or commodity. It is neither "good" nor "bad." Trying to assign a moral value on it is just another useless thing the neo-keynesians do when they're not denying that their policies have failed miserably.

ORLY?  Compared to what, may i ask?  I'm doing just fine, how about yourself? Cheesy
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I stopped reading when the neo-keynesian weenie started talking about how hoarding = bad.

Read Fekete.
 
If you love inflationary fiat so much why are you here, on a website dedicated to bitcoin? Bitcoins are deflationary. You don't like deflationary. So are you a shill or just here to troll?

Inflation doesn't "work," it is just glorified theft. If only fools hoard and inflation "works" to prevent hoarding, why are there so many people 'hoarding' hundreds of millions of dollars in FRNcoin? (federal reserve note coin, the electronic currency  Grin Grin Grin)

Hoarding is simply a part of any currency or commodity. It is neither "good" nor "bad." Trying to assign a moral value on it is just another useless thing the neo-keynesians do when they're not denying that their policies have failed miserably.
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My house is a great store of value, turned out to be far better than gold.  It's not money, nonetheless.  I can sell it for money, but money it is not.
This is meant to illustrate that things may retain value without being money.  Even my house, which made an awesome job of it, is not money.  Neither is gold.


You will know for sure it was a great store of value the day you actually sell it to someone else.

Until then it is only a - hopefully nice to you - place to sleep.


Absolutely.  As is the case with my coin, and would be the case with my gold, had i any Smiley
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As for the argument that you cant buy much using bitcoin.  Well, what can you buy using gold?  Yet gold has retained its value over time, much more so than fiat, which is primarily used for purchases and paying taxes.  Therefore, utility for buying things is not what gives a money its value. ...

Gold has stopped being money a long time ago.  Maintaining value over time doesn't make it money.  No more than baseball cards/houses/cows/stuff_you_buy_with_money is money.

That's why it's hard to buy things with gold.

Like bitcoin, gold could be sold for money.  Money, according to wikip, is "...any object or record that is generally accepted as payment for goods and services..."  The ability to buy ("To acquire in exchange for money or its equivalent; purchase." --Free Online Dictionary) is exactly what gives money its value.

Hopefully i cleared up some of the confusion.


Explain why the dollar has lost over 95% of its purchasing power (value) since the federal reserve was created in 1913 and gold has not.  Do dollars buy 95% less than they did in 1913?

The phenomenon you're curious about is called inflation.
The money you're trying to understand is *designed* to be inflationary to discourage hoarding.
It works.

Only fools hoard money.  The rest invest it, spend it, or give it away.  Fools get punished for being hoarders, their money becomes worthless over time.
That's a good thing.

The fools who get punished are not the generous fools who give away everything they have and share too much.  No.  They're the greedy fools who never learned to share.
Greed is a *bad thing*, no matter what stupid money hoarders say.

So now you know Smiley

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Gold, bitcoin, and dollars are all money because they can be used as a medium of exchange but the limited supply and confidence as a store of wealth is what gives money its value

You're confused.
Everything may be used as a medium of exchange -- money, white elephants, kind words.  Not all of these things are money.
If i have to sell something for money to buy a gallon of gas, it's not money as far as the gas station is concerned -- your opinion doesn't count.  They want dollars from me -- not white elephants or kind words.

My house is a great store of value, turned out to be far better than gold.  It's not money, nonetheless.  I can sell it for money, but money it is not.
This is meant to illustrate that things may retain value without being money.  Even my house, which made an awesome job of it, is not money.  Neither is gold.
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As for the argument that you cant buy much using bitcoin.  Well, what can you buy using gold?  Yet gold has retained its value over time, much more so than fiat, which is primarily used for purchases and paying taxes.  Therefore, utility for buying things is not what gives a money its value. ...

Gold has stopped being money a long time ago.  Maintaining value over time doesn't make it money.  No more than baseball cards/houses/cows/stuff_you_buy_with_money is money.

That's why it's hard to buy things with gold.

Like bitcoin, gold could be sold for money.  Money, according to wikip, is "...any object or record that is generally accepted as payment for goods and services..."  The ability to buy ("To acquire in exchange for money or its equivalent; purchase." --Free Online Dictionary) is exactly what gives money its value.

Hopefully i cleared up some of the confusion.


Explain why the dollar has lost over 95% of its purchasing power (value) since the federal reserve was created in 1913 and gold has not.  Are dollars used 95% less frequently than they were in 1913?  Gold, bitcoin, and dollars are all money because they can be used as a medium of exchange but the limited supply and confidence as a store of wealth are the two main factors that gives money its value.
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As for the argument that you cant buy much using bitcoin.  Well, what can you buy using gold?  Yet gold has retained its value over time, much more so than fiat, which is primarily used for purchases and paying taxes.  Therefore, utility for buying things is not what gives a money its value.  ...

Gold has stopped being money a long time ago.  Maintaining value over time doesn't make it money.  No more than baseball cards/houses/cows/stuff_you_buy_with_money is money.

That's why it's hard to buy things with gold.

Like bitcoin, gold could be sold for money.  Money, according to wikip, is "...any object or record that is generally accepted as payment for goods and services..."  The ability to buy ("To acquire in exchange for money or its equivalent; purchase." --Free Online Dictionary) is exactly what gives money its value.

Hopefully i cleared up some of the confusion.
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