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How can we do that for Bitcoin?

mining cost equilibrium is the bottom line value

its its cheaper to mine then buy people mine if its cheaper to buy than mine people buy.

so look for the most effiecient mining cost and you learn the bottom line mining cost which miners wont sell below
you soon learn the number of times the price went below bottomline mining costs ovr many years is negligable because people are not fooilish



Mining was rational when profitable and you could sell to a sucker, as you mined, HODL was always a MORON position.

Buying BTC with real cash, was NEVER rational.

Getting BTC for free 2009-2014 by mining was rational, buy bitcoin is when the exchanges showed up and pimps, and the bullshitters and pump&dump team that run btc today.

Now that mining is no longer profitable, the easy game is over, now only morons will buy bitcoin, which means its going to zero, because the smart guys will sell-out, and find a new ponzi.
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I remember these type of posts in 2015 while the price went down to $200 from $1200.

If you don't be careful, you'll find yourself selling your coins for a loss. This is what this posts aims.

Good old FUD.

Just like op thinks bugatti veyron is a better car than dacia and he sees the reason about the price of a bugatti, apparently people think the same for bitcoin since it is the leading crypto currency.

To him bugatti and dacia prices makes sense apparently. Try to explain a bugatti's price to somebody who lives in Africa. He'll look at you like your a lunatic.

For most people, spending that much money on a car (no matter how good it is it is still a car) is a crazy idea. Op finds that perfectly fine but when people decide to do the same for btc, he goes nuts. Hypocrisy.

It's the theory of large numbers, back in 2015 when capitalization was in the millions, anything was possible, including 2x-4x roller coaster rides,

In 2017 when BITCOIN came near $1 Trillion USD capitalization you entered astronomic happenstance, there is no way for this bitch to go back up there, its down for the count.

All parabolic rises end this way, in the TOILET
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Wow does the OP realize that not one in a 1,000 on this board can understand what he just said?

BITCOIN is proof that the education system has collapsed, and that the majority coming out are morons.

We all know that the majority of our HODL-ers are 'millennial' and such, just getting by, but trying to get rich quick, and bitcoin came along and promised them the moon.

But you can't explain this concept of intrinsic value to a moron? How its impossible.

Just like when you ask the morons, "Where is the missing $600 Billion USD going to come from to bring BITCOIN back to prior values", they will not answer the question, because they're incapable of such thought.

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OP is correct, you can be QUANT, or a math or physics guy and bitcoin makes no sense, there is no way to even calculate volatility, or any common mean-reversion algo, largely now because of the parabolic-rise and its collapse.

BITCOIN is what it is, "Virtual Money", really no different than money used in "Farmland", or any VR program online, the fact that it can be traded in the physical world is very thin,

But while the MORONS feel confident that bitcoin will return to the 'moon' the quants scratch their ass and say "How do we model this bitch?" and you can't guess you can't model virtual-currency, using physical asset modelling, so maybe we need to find a new way to model virtual assets, but the models would still worthless in the real world.
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I remember these type of posts in 2015 while the price went down to $200 from $1200.

If you don't be careful, you'll find yourself selling your coins for a loss. This is what this posts aims.

Good old FUD.

Just like op thinks bugatti veyron is a better car than dacia and he sees the reason about the price of a bugatti, apparently people think the same for bitcoin since it is the leading crypto currency.

To him bugatti and dacia prices makes sense apparently. Try to explain a bugatti's price to somebody who lives in Africa. He'll look at you like your a lunatic.

For most people, spending that much money on a car (no matter how good it is it is still a car) is a crazy idea. Op finds that perfectly fine but when people decide to do the same for btc, he goes nuts. Hypocrisy.
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tl;dr

Simple words that will affect you.

"if you dont really believe in bitcoin why are you here and wasting your time in this what you call scam?"

No one is concern on other peoples money, thats how people think then you cant say that you are here just to enlighten us.

You see, You are wrong here. There are many people, who put justice ahead of self-interests. If You dont care its a scam and You are OK scamming other people´s money, I am not...
My story is very simple: my brother came to me last year (december 2017) and wanted to borrow money, because he had "an extremely profitable investment opportunity". Well... my brother is a good person. A good truck driver and he can fix almost anything, that breaks down. But he is not home in IT, economics, math. He has a wife and he is a loving father of 2 lovely children. The sum, that he wanted to borrow, was worth half of his household. He just wanted to earn profit, to allow bigger house for his family.

I saved him from BTC, accidentally. If he asked from somewhere else... Anyway, if there is just one person like my brother, reading this site, changing his mind about putting his hard-earned money into BTC, then my job here is done. If there is really none... then well... thats my time wasted and thats also a risk, Im willing to take.
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tl;dr

Simple words that will affect you.

"if you dont really believe in bitcoin why are you here and wasting your time in this what you call scam?"

No one is concern on other peoples money, thats how people think then you cant say that you are here just to enlighten us.
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Can you please answer one simple question: how can you utilize bitcoin, or in other words, what can you do with Bitcoin besides transfer it to another person? When you answer it you will grasp the full stupidity of links you provided.

Your argument seems to hinge on this single premise: That bitcoin has no intrinsic value other than something for people to trade back and forth.

If you look at every non backed currency in the world you will see the same thing. No value other than as a "product" to be transferred between people. Bitcoin is only a scam as far as pretty much every paper currency in the world is a scam.
Fiat currencies are debt based assets, i.e. products designed for people who want to consume goods and services today and return them in the future. These people are called borrowers. With newly produced fiat they have access to the pool of goods and services which gets filled via economic activity of the general population. But since borrowers have to repay their debt with salaries they received for their economic activity - their contribution to that pool of goods and services, this reduces their purchasing power, i.e. access to the pool. In this way they return goods and services back to the general population. All this is backed by collateral, and in case of borrowers default, their land, cars, houses and other property will end up in the pool of goods and services for the general population to buy with fiat that borrowers put into circulation. Now, are miners - those who put bitcoin into circulation, and in that way receive goods and services from the general population, obligated to return goods and services back to the general population? Obviously not.

So Bitcoin has nothing to do with fiat currencies. The latter are debt instruments. The former is scam designed to steal good and services from the general population.



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I don't agree that this is the undeniable evidence that btc is a scam because it is a good coin with the huge potential and I m sure it will prove this in 2019 as most experts believe in its power
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The fluctuation in bitcoin price comes as a result of pure buying and selling of the cryptocurrency. When more people buy bitcoin, the value simply goes up, when people sell bitcoin, the price geos down. The value at each point in time reflects the activities being performed with bitcoin. It is far from being a scam                                                         
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Can you please answer one simple question: how can you utilize bitcoin, or in other words, what can you do with Bitcoin besides transfer it to another person? When you answer it you will grasp the full stupidity of links you provided.

Your argument seems to hinge on this single premise: That bitcoin has no intrinsic value other than something for people to trade back and forth.

If you look at every non backed currency in the world you will see the same thing. No value other than as a "product" to be transferred between people. Bitcoin is only a scam as far as pretty much every paper currency in the world is a scam.
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In my opinion. if bitcoin is a fraud then the financial authorities in each country must ban and ban this currency. however, investors do not feel cheated and the financial authorities in each country also do not prohibit the use of crypto. Crypto prices are largely determined by supply and demand so we cannot control or determine crypto prices.

Its a very good fraud and authorities are stupid. Even with much more obvious frauds they take time, before they act. Kairosplanet is a perfect sample how slow the authorities are.
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In my opinion. if bitcoin is a fraud then the financial authorities in each country must ban and ban this currency. however, investors do not feel cheated and the financial authorities in each country also do not prohibit the use of crypto. Crypto prices are largely determined by supply and demand so we cannot control or determine crypto prices.
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Monetary transactions are enabled by internet and miners equipment, not by Bitcoin.

The internet alone, by itself, does not enable monetary transactions.

What do you think pays for the mining infrastructure?
Transaction is an instance of buying or selling something. Of course, the internet alone does not enable the buying or selling of something, but what that has to do with the topic at hand?
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Bitcoin is a spreadsheet entry which has no utility. Egg and gold have utility because humans can consume them for fulfilling their needs. With spreadsheet entry, no human needs can be fulfilled.

That spreadsheet entry is extremely important, I think you are missing the value there.
https://hackernoon.com/why-everyone-missed-the-most-important-invention-in-the-last-500-years-c90b0151c169
https://www.quora.com/What-is-Triple-Ledger-Accounting


Can you please answer one simple question: how can you utilize bitcoin, or in other words, what can you do with Bitcoin besides transfer it to another person? When you answer it you will grasp the full stupidity of links you provided.
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Monetary transactions are enabled by internet and miners equipment, not by Bitcoin.

The internet alone, by itself, does not enable monetary transactions.

What do you think pays for the mining infrastructure?
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everything is very simple. if bitcoin is undervalued, then it rises in price; if overestimated, it drops accordingly in price.
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Bitcoin is a spreadsheet entry which has no utility. Egg and gold have utility because humans can consume them for fulfilling their needs. With spreadsheet entry, no human needs can be fulfilled.

That spreadsheet entry is extremely important, I think you are missing the value there.
https://hackernoon.com/why-everyone-missed-the-most-important-invention-in-the-last-500-years-c90b0151c169
https://www.quora.com/What-is-Triple-Ledger-Accounting
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Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies have utility as well though. Monetary transactions, as enabled by Bitcoin, have utility, otherwise we would have neither banks nor credit card companies nor remittance services.

On the other side if you look at gold purely from a utility perspective, we are looking at a clearly over-valued asset. If industrial (and cosmetic) utility were the only determining factors, gold would (1) be less over-priced in comparison to other metals that see comparable practical use and (2) not run counter-cyclical to economic growth (unlike platinum, for example).

Millions upon millions of men and women use gold daily to adorn their bodies. We all use electronics that have trace amounts of gold in them. Gold is used in dentistry, medicine, aerospace, and elsewhere. More than two-thirds of newly produced gold is utilized this way. Meaning, gold has utilization capacity and we can use gold to compare it with other goods or services. In that way we can determine whether gold is overpriced or underpriced. For example, we empirically know that a gram of gold has lower utilization capacity than a car, and higher utilization capacity than an egg. So if it is priced above a car, we would immediately know it is overpriced. If it is priced below an egg, we would immediately know it is underpriced. In short, things with utilization capacity are not scams.

Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies have utility as well though. Monetary transactions, as enabled by Bitcoin, have utility, otherwise we would have neither banks nor credit card companies nor remittance services.

On the other side if you look at gold purely from a utility perspective, we are looking at a clearly over-valued asset. If industrial (and cosmetic) utility were the only determining factors, gold would (1) be less over-priced in comparison to other metals that see comparable practical use and (2) not run counter-cyclical to economic growth (unlike platinum, for example).
Monetary transactions are enabled by internet and miners equipment, not by Bitcoin. Bitcoin is a spreadsheet entry which has no utility. Egg and gold have utility because humans can consume them for fulfilling their needs. With spreadsheet entry, no human needs can be fulfilled.
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Goldbars can not be faked against any serious security check and can be sold to total morons only.

Same is true forks, so what's your point?


And my arguments dont contradict, because You refuse to read them correctly. [...]

Hence my request for clarification.

Let me rephrase your statements the way I understood them:

First: no other mining includes precious "deflationary" mechanism, that does nothing but lessens reward for same task exponentially. That is nothing else than pyramid, doesnt matter how You name it. It would be same, if Goldakatoshi somehow set, that after too years gold miners will harvest 2 times less than today, after 4 years 4 times less, then 8, then 16. You see how quickly it grows. So its fraudulent in its core.

1. Bitcoin's supply is limited, which is bad. The supply of precious metals is not limited, which is good.


Second: Gold can not be forked. There are reserves to mine, or there a not. Simple. Forking, segwit and lightning network are nothing but delay mechanism for winning time for scammers (mostly early whales) to cash their early free coins in. No body know ratio of produced coins and those which are cashed in permanently, because of very low transfer fees, whales can trade coins between their own wallets and give impression of any "market price" which they can find idiots at.

2. Bitcoin's supply is not limited, which is bad. The supply of precious metals is limited, which is good.

Broken down like that, those statements are contradictory. Kindly point out the nuances that I missed.


Millions upon millions of men and women use gold daily to adorn their bodies. We all use electronics that have trace amounts of gold in them. Gold is used in dentistry, medicine, aerospace, and elsewhere. More than two-thirds of newly produced gold is utilized this way. Meaning, gold has utilization capacity and we can use gold to compare it with other goods or services. In that way we can determine whether gold is overpriced or underpriced. For example, we empirically know that a gram of gold has lower utilization capacity than a car, and higher utilization capacity than an egg. So if it is priced above a car, we would immediately know it is overpriced. If it is priced below an egg, we would immediately know it is underpriced. In short, things with utilization capacity are not scams.

Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies have utility as well though. Monetary transactions, as enabled by Bitcoin, have utility, otherwise we would have neither banks nor credit card companies nor remittance services.

On the other side if you look at gold purely from a utility perspective, we are looking at a clearly over-valued asset. If industrial (and cosmetic) utility were the only determining factors, gold would (1) be less over-priced in comparison to other metals that see comparable practical use and (2) not run counter-cyclical to economic growth (unlike platinum, for example).
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All of the above are valid concerns but hold true for gold and precious metals as well. Do you regard those as scams too?

This is where You are very wrong. I wont write down all aspects, that would take too long, but only main differences, what makes BTC a scam, while precious metals are not.

First: no other mining includes precious "deflationary" mechanism, that does nothing but lessens reward for same task exponentially. That is nothing else than pyramid, doesnt matter how You name it. It would be same, if Goldakatoshi somehow set, that after too years gold miners will harvest 2 times less than today, after 4 years 4 times less, then 8, then 16. You see how quickly it grows. So its fraudulent in its core.

Second: Gold can not be forked. There are reserves to mine, or there a not. Simple. Forking, segwit and lightning network are nothing but delay mechanism for winning time for scammers (mostly early whales) to cash their early free coins in. No body know ratio of produced coins and those which are cashed in permanently, because of very low transfer fees, whales can trade coins between their own wallets and give impression of any "market price" which they can find idiots at.

Peter Schiff is that you?
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